I've looked into Norse paganism and I actually think it's a religion I can get behind and practice. And it's the religion of my ancestors.
I don't really like a lot of Christian stuff aside from cathedrals and Italian art.
But everytime I see paganism brought up they just get accused of LARPing and just trying to be edgy and contrarian (and frankly a lot of people ARE like that).
So I ask if there is a way I can be a genuine pagan without being grouped in with the LARPing faggots. I believe in pagan values and want to live by them. Is it just a meme religion? Or can it be taken seriously.
That...is actually true now that I think about it.
Nolan Jackson
YES GOY... WICCAN PAGANS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS RECONSTRUCTIONIST, NATIONALIST PAGANS....
Christian Collins
somoene correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't most occult religions been made up whole-cloth in the last 2 centuries, by people like crowley?
Jace Wilson
If you study diligently, you can of course become pagan without merely LARPing.
Won't stop others from accusing you of LARPing, though.
Carson Turner
Pagan values are mostly about family and nature celebration.
You wouldn't even have to change too much since we still celebrate a lot of pagan holidays like yule and whatnot.
Samuel Reed
Pretty much. The people who start these religions will claim that there's a connection to pre-Christian Europe, but that connection is spurious at best and usually based on some ancient-looking symbols or something superficial like that.
Caleb Price
Not really Crowley, but the 19th and even 18th centuries. However, there is nothing saying that you can't entirely skip them over. There hearts were in the right place but they gotta be put into context. Remember, the National Socialists spawned directly from these people.
We all gotta start somewhere user
Justin Jones
Fedoras and LARPagans, but I repeat myself, are Leftist kikes.
Luke Adams
Nah. Study on Asatru/Germanic Pagans in the US: 25% "far right extremist" 25% univeralist/leftist 50% Ethnic (whites only)
Hunter Martin
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Daniel Watson
>Following a religion you don't actually believe in because it seems "cool" >Not following a religion because it's the truth.
I'm a follower of Christ Jesus because it's the Truth. I would never follow a religion, especially one I don't believe just to do it and I don't believe anyone should follow a religion for any reason other than it being the truth.
If you don't actually believe the pagan gods exist, which virtually no one actually does, you may as well be an atheist or at least agnostic at least then you can be honest about what you believe.
Tyler Miller
Nah, Leftist anti-Christian filth that will be hunted down and purged.
Logan Cruz
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Liam Brooks
I don't really know how many pagans are under the "other religion umbrella". I imagine that there would be more Hindus and Buddhists than pagans.
Logan Ward
Nothing wrong with it, as long as you aren't a faggot about it. Just do what feels right, and be aware that any actual "doctrine" is probably invented faggotry. I'm a believer in genetic memory, and living more closely to how our ancestors did makes us happier generally. Dogs, gardening, hunting, and handicrafts also apply here. Paganism was practiced for tens of thousands of years, it's unlikely that our ancestors did it for that long without changing our DNA in some way.
Logan Russell
>Just do what feels right See. Leftist, liberal filth
Dylan Rogers
no one really knows what pagans actually practiced though. It's mostly made up by crowley and the other "hermetic scholars" or whatever they were.
Isaiah Cooper
What's your point? He's not necessarily talking about re-constructionists or occultists. That quote doesn't negate that the NatSocs came directly from the Thule Society. I'd wager he wasn't talking about the occultists at all. You guys always attribute this to any non-Christian elements in the Reich - but who was Hitler talking about? Who is this group or were these groups?
Hitler devoted the 2nd edition of Mein Kampf to Eckart, he also kept Viligut who, I say as a pagan, was a fucking nutjob. There's no need to mention Himmler, one of the most powerful people in the Reich who put in power, who certainly was a Pagan, and then there's Rosenberg, behind the Reich's philosophy, another Pagan. Then there's Hess and Striecher.
Taking one Mein Kampf out of context is ridiculous. You can't just cherry pick pieces of the entire corpus of the Reich in a "gotcha!" maneuver.
Lincoln Garcia
When I was a Christian I was a non literalist. I believe in the ideas and don't take the stories literally. I never thought there was a sky daddy, but it was the idea that the sky daddy represented.
I've looked into paganism, and I like the ideas and culture better. Not because it's cool, but because it's better. Christianity too me seems like a form of spiritual slavery.
Nicholas Lewis
That's not true. We do know what pagans practiced, from each major pagan group, from a combination of archaeology, history, and even linguistics. The religion of the Greeks and Romans is extremely well documented. At the very least, we know the main concepts, like:
>World accepting >Loyalty to in-group >State and religion inseparable >Celebration of festivals (of which we have the most information for for Germanic and Celtic groups) >Veneration of ancestors; Gods as ancestors >Fidelity of oaths >No division between sacred and profane (IE every action you do honors the gods, so make your actions good) >Mythology as guidelines/metaphors/ancestral worship
you can be a pagan without being a larper but not without being a faggot, faggot
Zachary Scott
You were never Christian. You've always been a liberal fedora.
Andrew Anderson
That's the thing. I don't want to be a crazy larper who's doing it to be cool. I have a genuine beliefe and would rather be taken seriously.
And if given the opertunity I would not run from communists.
Zachary Sanchez
Nah dude you have to be a jew slave or how can we all defeat the jews that this board has been designed to overthrow? Duh man by assimiliating we are winning. Just ask the jews!
Andrew Lopez
LARPagans are Leftist anti-Christian hedonists.
Jonathan Anderson
Essentially if you do it on your own you can avoid Larping.
However if you wear a silly outfit and conduct rituals with a sort of pseudo priesthood... well done you're fucking larping.
The only logical conclusion regarding religion is to be an agnostic, and then decide, can I live without the primal need to pretend that there is more to life than this? If no, then become religious to avoid depression. I'd advise either thoroughly reading through lots of man made religions and various philosophers and bullshit up your own religion. Though an atheist if I was to believe anything, it would be that the Warp from 40K or at least the underlying premise of it, is real, and what we collectively believe informs the afterlife. (I mean fuck me, meme magic seems to have kicked something off though I'm still telling myself that's the physical impact of the zeitgeist changing due to economic woes and the rebellion against authority attempting to keep the status quo.)
If your not that smart, then follow one like a sheep. I don't mean that as an insult, surprisingly enough.
Isaac Mitchell
LARPagans are ahistorical kike slaves.
Jonathan Carter
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Caleb Garcia
Why can't you have a priesthood and also not LARP?
Honest question.
Kevin Hughes
Sometimes I honestly think that the warp is fucking real. Recent events have only reinforced my beliefe that the warp is real in some sense.
If that is the case than it doesn't matter what religion I pick because my beliefe is enough to make it real.
So if I just larp hard enough Odin will save Europe.
Liam Foster
Dem trips
Fucking shit
Jungian philosophy is manifest
Levi King
follow which ever paganism your blood followed even if there isn't very much to read on. you can thank christcucks for doing that.
Hunter Ramirez
Hey retard how many times do we have to tell you they are new age cults fuck off
Ian Torres
Oh wow kikes hating on other kikes WHO KNEW
Samuel Wilson
at this point i doubt you could even be an antitheist and not be a faggot
Zachary Bell
>All those shitskins and mutts
Jaxon Edwards
Paganism is primitive and far from the truth that is Jesus Christ.
Brayden Thomas
Man, if you had anywhere between 30K and 40K, I'd honestly drop atheism and start praying xD
Shepard's are for sheep. They preach dogma, without getting the individual to think for themselves, and attempt to cultivate an individuals mind to a set of arbitrary belief's on the basis that, due who wrote this ages ago said so, and those who believed him coerced everyone else to do so. I'd said pick a religion if your not smart enough to think for yourself, but hell that is one hell of a confession to make.
The closest that I could ever justify that a priest-like position be set up would be if you made meditation, or hypnosis part of your belief system, and they led it, but they weren't involved in preaching anything to you. The role of a priest being fulfilled as a purely cosmetic crutch could be understandable for a thinking person, a full blown preacher... not if you can make up your own mind, or change priests every day.
1/2
Jack Rivera
Specific religions survived for multiple reasons, which are worth looking into, but they are largely man made bullshit specific to the time, or added for very human reasons(Old testament, kill the people, keep the girls, distribute the land to your young men who survived the war), and many people in the future will think of far better systems of morality to their own tastes in the future and look upon us as hapless cavemen(because if the future is actually better than the present, we had more scare resources and morality outside of game theory morality, is a luxury to be afforded).
The only real exception to this is the Talmudic tradition of the Jews, which has resulted in one of the highest levels of atheism among them, while still remaining Jewish, because the Rabbi's debate and go through a process of discussion and provoke thought. But this method is something that children mostly benefit from, and doesn't specifically need a priest but our society as it is could do with a secular form of this teaching. (I'm a cultural catholic because the religion is fucking sticky) 2/2
Jason Rogers
This desu. 90% of the leftist garbage comes from faggot wiccans or other new age cults.
Jacob Wood
t.
Brandon Powell
Just ignore him. He waits for pagan threads to pop up and then dumps memes in them. It's either him or the Dominican that does this every thread. Ignore them and they go away.
Liam Wright
No You FAGGOT. GTFO
Carter Adams
All goyim religions worship demons.
Leo James
No because you know it's all false. You know your ancestors were wrong and you know Jesus is the only true God. You cannot be a pagan because you know it is factually incorrect.
Leo King
>posts picture of Germanicized Christian that has more in common with Germanic paganism than Christianity.
What is this, amateur night?
Asher Roberts
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Adrian Young
>Crusaders >Having anything to do with paganism Sure
Joseph Carter
Given the shit Charlemagne pulled I think its safe to say he portrayed a Christianized German. The distinction is a worthwhile one.
Joshua Hughes
Stop right there, Sup Forums!
You just encountered a might grue! Its fangs drip vicious ichor as it shambles towards you!
Roll for initiative!
Zachary Sanchez
Paganism is true to nature. Monotheism is a hypothetic construct.
After long journey and initial self discovery assess your self, where do you stand: romantically, interpersonally, socially, physically, mentally, spiritually, athletically. True pagans recognize each other. Real recognize real
Aaron Bennett
>slaanesh >sweating.jpg
Eli Fisher
dat pic based Varg, haven't spoken to him in awhile. He knows what he is talking about.
>WICCAN PAGANS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS RECONSTRUCTIONIST, NATIONALIST PAGANS.... THIS! A typical problem.
The term Pagan too, Ásatrú is a religion like any other unique, sure it prolly have some customs in common with other dead religions that were not saved. I don't know those, but these (((historians))) ie keeps on comparing God his Diars and Disir too ie Romand shit and Greek shit, scrap that.... One of 6 million reasons we hate historians, they don't know fucking shit
It was always there for the grabs We don't got any anglo translations for this stuff and google translate will have severe problems here, best is possibly to try the swedish or danish translation in the google fuck or icelandic.
heimskringla.no snerpa.is
It has all our material
Jason Jenkins
>church burning snowniggers in the past >church burning snowniggers in the present
Gabriel Lee
Combine European paganism with Hinduism. Select the pantheon from whatever region you want.
Noah Evans
I think I know this Jesus guy. He mows my lawn on Wednesday's
Jace Gray
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Jayden Rivera
Adding that within Ásatrú too, there are different "groups" an umbrella of customs if you will.
As in the old, most of these have popped up againt, think we're only missing the elf worshipers.
That is we all have the same lore, text, songs and so on.
But people focus on different things. I'm not allowed to diss other heathens for their customs. But those elf goys, they are strange even to this day, where lived down there is Ostfold county and over to sweden, south of almost the ending of the river Glomma
Joseph Jenkins
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Caleb Wright
I don't understand what Christianity even has to do with us (europeans). It comes from the desert and it's about jews and arabs.
Jaxon Perez
LARPagans have always been Leftist faggots.
Levi Gutierrez
Read books.
Charlemagne was very much a Germanic pagan warlord, head of an Indo-Germanic comitatus/männerbund. He had much more in common with his pagan predecessors than say, Thomas Aquianas.
Owen Hill
Paganism is like a political dunce cap and you're asking us to take a stupid belief seriously
Jace Rogers
Rest of quote.
Jordan Parker
>muh racial fake religion nobody believes actually in >but it's muh white religion see
Liam Carter
>So I ask if there is a way I can be a genuine pagan without being grouped in with the LARPing faggots. I believe in pagan values and want to live by them. Is it just a meme religion? Or can it be taken seriously.
No, fedora lite. You're grouped in with all the larpers no matter what.
Christians lumped with "christians" pagans lumped with "pagans" atheists lumped with "atheists"
This is why allowing adhom arguments to flourish is cancer. Enjoy.
Robert Price
>post-mortem claiming of LARPaganism We Wuz-tier
Elijah Ortiz
>an analysis of Christianity that ignores the religious aspect of it
Meh if they even care about politics here it will be as with other groups, different from person to person.
That said, we want them all to go. The King shall pick his hird and they shall be the best of MEN, he shall have his earls and herses back.
He shall not have any say in law making, this is decided by the people, the MEN who shall vote for it at the annual Þing(court). The Þings shall be (here) spread over where they where (they are already) and the people there vote on their own laws, and have their own constitution.
The King is the Ruler of the country, and the leader of the Army.
Gassing the pols is just a dream though lol, but they are all fucked up here.
We are ofc also obliged to obey the nork (((state))))'s law, on top of this we have our own.
If you do something shitty, you are not allowed to vote for 3 years.
Aaron Kelly
>ignores the religious aspect
No? It's specifically discussing two religious aspects converging.
Why not get the book and read it and then you can write your own book arguing against it?
Charles Scott
Considering you came to Sup Forums, I'm guessing the answer is no.
Juan Lewis
Here's a question: the pagans who peacefully converted to christianity, why did they do it?
Aiden Cook
No, it's Germanophile stuff intended to pump up the egos of atheists of German descent.
Ethan Rogers
It's a peer reviewed monograph on the sociohistory of early Christianity.
Luis Ward
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Tyler Torres
Norse paganism is a somehow ever gayer wiccan clone, where people make shit up and then claim it's some ancient secret believe.
Mason Anderson
Wow so some clique of Germanophile atheists has approved it? Nice
>Come forth farmer men, Thore The Hound has light again! Come forth farmer men, Thore The Hound has light again! >Come forth farmer men, Thore The Hound has light again!
Also I'll have a look at these, I only use the sites I mentioned earlier as it has the raw material which is what I'm after. Also got a book shelf of sagas both in börk and ON or icelandic.
If you buy sagas, look for an icelandic author. Often things gets lost in translation, since words are missing etc in part poetic ON too, they take poetical liberties and it loses some meaning but they have no choice.
Some translations here even are utter garbage and straight out false.
Here I cut some corners, I was also drunk when I did it lol >Know I. that I hung >on Yggdrasil >nights all nine >with short spear wounded >and given Odin >self to my self >on the tree >of which nobody >knows where the roots run
>Not was I bread given >and brew not >down I looked >took up the runes >yelling I took them >down from where I fell
James Scott
If picrelated ain't LARP then I don't know what is
Adam Turner
Okay, I admit, I keked.
For anyone interested:
The author has a phd in theology and he's a Republican politician from NY.
If anything, the parts of Christianity he seems to like the best are Latin in origin
Adam Wilson
Pretty hardcore LARPing since they're kickboxing.
Connor Sanders
Don't know if you're still here OP but google Wardrunna. They dying in Norwegian/old Norse sometimes. First album is the elder Futhark, and the exploration of the themes behind the runes, second mint, can't remember what it is, third is called Ragnarok, check out Pertho.
>fuck semitism, worship trees
Xavier Parker
You can return to ancestral religion but only of you're prepared to hunt trolls, Norseman
>Charlemagne was very much a Germanic pagan warlord OK, fuck off no. You do not forcefully convert all Pagans to Christianity, by sentencing everyone to death who; worships or partakes in pagan rituals; partakes in any feasts outside of the christian calendar; those who cremate rather than bury their dead.
Charlemagne was a Warlord, much in the same way the Arian Christians who sacked Rome were Warlords. You cannot just had wave everyone who isn't Christian enough for you out of Christianity. Given that Charlemagne only learnt to read in his later years(at a minimum 60's), and when he did so was one of the first nobles to do so, and institute that the nobility be taught to read, you can somewhat understand him lacking the knowledge of how to be a good christian outside of shit that priests told them. Also given that polygamy was in the bible at the time, and the catholic church was still by all technically under fealty to Constantinople, the priests would probably not mention the complex theory regarding the number of wives a man is meant to have and just shrug and say: "multiple in this part my lord" Killing ok? "Well here it says kill all the men, and married women, leaving only the unmarried women, and take all the land they owned... err... but only if not your religion"
Then again the Old Testament is a bloody warlords manual
Jaxson Brown
Mostly larping. But the answer is in the question. What works for you. That is all the ancients did. Before religion was about social control.
Why race pol? Race is their word. We did not have races. We had tribes. They took our tribes to make us weak. Before that, "what works" was what defined our groups.
White supremacy? Are they all supreme? Makes no sense pol
If you are with Odin, you don't choose
Christian Turner
>Muh ancestors wuz paginz No, your ancestors were pussies who moved to America because times were hard in Europe. If anything your pagan ancestors would hate them and you for being pussies.
Guess what, motherfucker. Antitheism = Atheism. Stop with your meme Tumblr labels. Eastern folks aren't much of a believers, but they do it out of tradition. And gnosticism is for stubborn idiots. Gnostic atheist is as stupid as gnostic deist/Christian (although Christians are little more stupid for giving their money to kikes).
Jack Sullivan
Are you truly that desperate for a label that you need to find "something" to be? Why not just be yourself and apply the things you agree with most to every aspect of your life?
Elijah Jenkins
Peter Brown's "The Rise of Western Christendom" debunks his bullshit, too.
Luke Smith
>LARPing faggots. They suck, kinda like shills >I believe in pagan values and want to live by them. They are the best, Hávamál is our commandments if you will, but they are more like advices than strict rules you have in that white christ shit and the kikes used to follow, before talmud. >Is it just a meme religion? no, but Mímir is the wisest one, look at that name again Mími in accusative >Or can it be taken seriously. We are back in full force, as stated earlier we're only missing the elf weirdos.
A few years ago we got some crazy lesbian bishop here or something, and basically half of country left the church.
We can openly be heathen again without persecution, some are still a bit wary and keep it for them self, others are registered. It's not really needed, you can just go to a goður if you want.
We hope too raise many hovs again, but you can forget any (((state))) support for that! This I can promise you. I am actually not sure if we got any yet, they have so high pressure so it takes like 3 months to get an answer from them.
It's really not required, a barn is enough to perform bloting in.
They found one hov here, one that had been standing since the old, and the "culture minister" filthy paki semite Tadja Hadjik boldozered over it and built buildings.......
I think this is why this heathen is sitting there before parl with a niðstöng (acceptable "curse" for a man to perform)
No this was an archelogical sensation and should have been preserved. The state hates us. Also we're now allowed to take back our heathen names, just recent.
Cooper Rogers
From urnes stavechurch, heathen art, they had wicked carving skills back then.
They burned down our hovs, acting like fucking ISIS, and put churches upon holy heathen grounds.
If not hovs have been raised, they are the closest you get to how some of them look I'll post one here that is ship. There are about 1k of these here still standing to this very day.
The carving here is a very popular tattoo, I plan on getting it my self. Been for a while, first tattoo guy went off then shit happened into
