What went wrong during the polls during the election?

How the fuck did every single organization predict not just a slight but an overwhelming defeat of Trump? Was there an issue with the methodology?

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They couldn't figure out how to apply the demographics

National polls were mostly right, it's the state polls that were wrong.

Yes, she did win the popular vote, and most national polls showed she would win the popular vote.

historical bias
hidden trump voters
Clinton voters who didn't actually go to the polls

The real polls are secret. Each party has their own methodology they develop. They hire geniuses for that. Devising a campaign strategy and allocating resources all depends on it. Without good polls, they cannot win. So they spend a lot developing better methods and they keep them secret. Even just the results should be kept secret. It's pretty much a war plan.

The polls given by the media are nowhere near as sophisticated as those used internally by the parties. Because there's no motivation to get them right. Their only purpose is to give them something to talk about and influence public opinions.

Look into the USC/LA Times tracking poll. It's a neutral and actually educated polling system. Oddly enough its somewhat distanced from the liberal LA Times, and it was amusing to see them mention the poll in their election predictions and say something like "yeah while we know our poll has Trump ahead by 5%, our prediction is a Clinton landslide" ... it's like they just guessed a win.

>hidden trump voters
True, any other year I would have still been sleeping
But this election I have AWOKEN

Not even memeing, but I think that pissed off white people no longer participate in media-driven polling.

>liberal left declare if you support trump you're a racist
>the few people who openly say they support trump railroaded and labelled racists
>pollsters ask you who you support
>don't want to be called a racist and get dragged in public for supporting trump
>say Hillary
>vote for trump
>polls show overwhelming support for Hilary
>gets fucked by trump

It's not rocket surgery pal

They were actually wrong on the national level, they were right that Trump did win but Hillary got the popular vote.

This is true. Trumps people had polls that were spot on for a while. Clinton's polls were fucked though. That why every Dem from Obama on down were scrambling in Pennsylvania and Michigan in the last days before the election. They found out just a few days before they were losing. Either way both sides internal polling was far more accurate than the amateur shit we got to see on the news every day.

>What went wrong during the polls

The polling companies used the 2008 election as a model when it was actually a huge deviation from the norm. They expected that the same percentage of blacks would vote for Hillary as voted for Obama, which is idiotic when you think about it given that Hillary isn't black.

yeah I work with a ton of monkeys and none of them support Hillary then again none of them support Trump

(((pollers))) know a large part of the population will vote for the person or support the team that they believe will win

Hubris

Our digits blessed bong friend here is on to something.

the polls didnt count on some republicans wavering on trump throughout the entire election and then voting for him anyway

They fucking lied.

A lot of the terminology they use is legitimate but misapplied, that is, they project, so their attacks on us are actually accurate regarding themselves. They are an echo chamber. They became over-confident and over-relied on polling to nudge, forgetting about the function of polling being to assess.
Malcolm Nancyboy was on British radio babbling about the dictionary definition of intelligence -- which definition is nowhere to be found regarding the doorway of cheesy bread. He was using it to excuse mere slander.
Or the Swedish article about how there is no rape because correlation does not equal causation. That is correct. Correlation does not equal causation. But condescending restatements of basic definitions cannot rebut all the data, especially the data that becomes evident at the edges.
Stay honest, stay simple, stay relentless, and neither condescending explanations of basic concepts nor celebrity boycotts nor arguments from authority nor vague threats can land a glove. They're wrong. We're right. Egghead McMuffin is going to shoot himself in the head. And we are going to kick their ass, burn their pedophilia normalization arguments, and overwrite their error with civilization.

urban samplings
The office in New York never once picked up a phone book for West Virginia.

I worked phone lines for a political polling place. It hired college students, had offices on campuses...and it used only two types of records to get the phone numbers to call. 1) alumni records of the colleges they were housed at and 2) the city phone book that the college was in

And these polls always made the news

>which is idiotic when you think about it given that Hillary isn't black.

I guess Liberals thought blacks voted for Obama because he was a democrat, KEK!

it was an attempt to manufacture an outcome. no basis in objective reality

lol this is true despite loosing so many house seats and local shit

dems deserved to lose this time around

Seriously. It's that simple. The best thing about the left is that you don't even need to do anything for them to destroy themselves

State polls in a few critical states were wrong. This threw off all of the aggregators, who came up with ridiculous 99% chance of Hillary winning odds.

Nate Silver was closest, giving Trump a 1 in 3 chance of winning even with the bad state poll information.

Because they were lying and/or stupid.

How? Pic related

VERY FAKE NEWS

This ties in with the well-demonstrated massive oversampling, but I still think a certain amount of it was deliberate. They trusted too much in the Mighty Wurlitzer and wanted to use polls to nudge rarther than assess.
I was in a coffeeshop well before the campaign, where a Democrat volunteer organizer was going over his phone lists from previous elections to sound out possible volunteers or donors. And I wish I videotaped the poor shmuck. It was tragicomic. It was abundantly clear that a lot of the Democrat party's main people, volunteers, party actives, donors, people you take for granted, had been taken for granted, and were very upset about Obama's performance, and let this guy know it. This is anecdotal but I think it tracks with plenty of other data: they knew they were in trouble, and their back-up plan was to lie.

Many polls openly asked 10-25% more democrats the standard was around 5-7% more in 2012. They also did this to women and minorities. They clearly had recognized they were losing and decided that manipulating the polls would discourage trump voters. Which it did not. When the polls actually used a standard representation of the population the polls were much closer to reality.

>rocket surgery
How do I become a rocket doctor??

Corrupt media shilling for Hillary
Character assassination normalized by the left so many Trump supporters remained silent

What's funny is the Jew York Times admitted to biased reporting during the election, promised to make changes to get trust, and then went right back to biased reporting.

yeah this

It was a bluff, Hillary's real numbers were so bad campaign staffers were leaving in droves months before the election because they knew it was already over.

Then CNN got caught on their fake polls and proceeded to call every other news outlet "fake news"..... you can't make this shit up.

The polls measured the popular vote nationwide you retard, which were correct since Drumpf lost by 3 million something votes.

That sign is technically true. You are only legally guilty if found as such in a court of law, tried before a jury of your peers.

...

"Maybe if we lie enough people who were going to vote for Trump will just stay home"

It was literally the opposite.

lots of examples of dem oversampling in rep states, for example

Also selective sampling of demographics. Pic related: after the DNC, when Bernie had lost the nomination, CNN didn't even poll the 18-35yo age group, who were arguably his biggest supporters. This made sure the poll results both wouldn't be more positive for Trump and more negative for Hillary. So sneaky.

The way Trump has been fucking with CNN and calling them 'fake' has been beyond satisfying in this victory. Can you imagine their anger?

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If you say a lie to someone over and over they'll typically take it as truth.

Because they were lies used as a weapon against Trump instead of using them the proper way

Yes, I understand how the law works, but the "just because you did it" is hilarious.

Nothing went wrong with the polls. Hillary paid or influenced most of them and they showed her in the lead. SO MUCH GASLIGHTING it's disgusting.

Plus all the pollsters return the results with VASTLY DIFFERENT data sets. No one wants to be caught out as an outlier.

In the words of Trump: So Sad.

This is factually incorrect. They predicted he'd lose the election because he'd lose the electoral college. Instead, he won it by like 80-something votes. More fake news. Sad!

Wrong retard. There were polls on a national level, but there were still polls on a state level which the media used to create their electoral map, predicting a Clinton landslide.

Remember when Hillary was 5% ahead in PA the night of the election? Yeah me too. They're a bunch of liars who were pushing an agenda for their own personal greed or other purposes.

democrats are wrong about everything
its that simple
capitalism works
socialism doesnt
inequality is far and just, some earn more and provide more value

Even my parents who do not follow politics closely have noticed and are sick of negative Trump stories. "Just leave him alone and let him do his job." they were saying. And even my local paper has negative Trump headlines day after day after day.

Americans are really getting sick of this game and they know fake news when they see. Fake in this instance being opinion disguised as factual reporting. It will only give Trump 8 years.
Liberals have learned nothing from their loss.

Harassment. Showing support for Trump, like a sign on the lawn, was like painting a target on your back. Also it became okay to harass, shame, insult, threaten, and terrorize Trump supporters because they were all considered either stupid or bigoted.

Basically polling needed people to be honest, but people couldn't be honest without being threatened, so they either lied or abstained too much for polling to be accurate. You can't attack what you can't see.

there are about 20 different factors that all combined to give us a trump win (some of these relate to the polls)

>trump voters less likely to respond to pollsters--I myself hung up on numerous pollsters here in Wisconsin because fuck them
>Hillary made strategic error to not campaign in the states that actually matter (because the polls were looking good in those states)
>High polls and a "99%" chance of Clinton victory depressed democrat turnout

The erroneous (CROOKED) polls are both a cause and effect in Trump's victory

The polls were literally designed to make you feel that it was hopeless to go out and vote for trump.

They weren't made to tell you the truth.

The polling methodology was based on the assumption that Hillary had the same levels of support as Obama. The only state she performed significantly better than Obama did was California, which is a bit of a mystery.

Not really. She won by the percentage margin that was predicted, but the state margings in wisconsin, michigin, and pennsylvania were all looking towards trump near the end. The media just assumed the states would follow the popular vote like the last three elections did

>liberals are lazy
>see 99% chance of winning
>don't vote because hell yeah guaranteed win
>loses
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no, they sampled very specific groups they knew would paint the democrats favorably......

there was an agenda.....

liberals are really good at lying to themselves.....its called confirmation bias & cognitive dissonance

The issue is that the MSM is pure state propaganda. They projected what they wanted people to believe and the reality turned out to be the opposite.

>fake news

CNN LITERALLY GOT SUED TEO DAYS AGO FOR PRINTING FAKE NEWS ABOUT A HOSPITAL.

HAHAHABAHA

most tv stations were bought off by dnc to try and make people believe bs

well the owners of the stations wanted Hillary to win and did everything they could to help her, having access to her as president was enough of an incentive

A combination of things:

>trump voters not willing to appear on radar
>pollsters refusing to leave the cities

And lets not forget that trying to force a reality on elections has worked before, McCain caved faaaaar too early based off daily polling. So they thought it would work again, and again.

>Was there an issue with the methodology?
Yes, fake news has no methodology other than to propagate hidden agendas that have nothing to do with the current state of the union.