>having children

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>letting the white race die

Good. Only rich people should be allowed to have children.

What do you plan on doing with that money?

There are two kinds of people that have kids it seems: very wealthy people and very poor people. There are far more people in the latter category.

The white race is doomed. Thanks capitalism.

your great great grandma probably lived on a dollar a day adjusted for inflation and had 7 children.

you're a giant pussy.

Dont worry, our governments are paying Islamic 3rd worlders to come to our countries and giving them free everything while also giving them thousands of dollars a month on top of that.

Gee I don't know... How about buying a nicer house, retiring early, travelling the world, etc... You know stuff that's actually enjoyable.

I don't have a quarter or a million dollars lying around and, even if I did, I wouldn't spend it on raising some rugrats.

Daily reminder millennials bitch about the littlest things and OP is a massive faggot.

>Having children
>Not enjoyable

Either you haven't seen a family in your life or you eat up all the bottom feeding bullshit from millennial retards.

Good plan. Meanwhile every Islamic family in your country probably averages on 5 kids. I dont see how this could ever go wrong.

>this shit
>not realizing that thats only due to retards spoiling their kids,
>not making the kid get a job ASAP
>not realizing the average cost of kids goes down for each one you have
>letting the white race die
>spending money on vices and travel
>not having pure memories with a large family.

The economy is being manipulated to prevent people from having children because the planet is overpopulated.
You think you're choosing not to have kids because it's too expensive, but you're being manipulated into not having children.

>White countries
>Overpopulated

Russia,Australia,Canada and the US are pretty under-average populated.

Explain to me what's so enjoyable about having children?

They're loud, obnoxious, they make a mess and they're always nagging at you.

Occasionally they might do something cute that makes you go "awww..." That's it. Several people in my family and friends have children. I know exactly what it's like. It's not worth a quarter of a million dollars.

>because the planet is overpopulated.
Scaling things planetwide is stupid. Africa is overpopulated, so is India. Europa is fine, Russia as well and I don't have to tell you about the vast nothingness in the U.S.

R selective versus K selective reproductive strategy my friend

>Getting cucked into letting your family line die because you swallow jewish propaganda

Self-fulfillment, yachts, luxury, they are all memes just to make you spend money so (((they))) can pocket it all.
You'll die leaving nothing behind while (((they))) will inherit all the land and the houses and wealth to rule you all.

Even if you were a literal starving homeless, your wish to continue your family line should be relentless. But you're a cuck who shoves his money into jew ass

Blame the government for making it unaffordable for ordinary people to have kids while simultaneously subsidising immigrants families.

>I don't what children because it takes responsibility

Not even boomers bitched this much, God I hope Generation Z has tons of white kids just to spite you.

>They're loud, obnoxious, they make a mess and they're always nagging at you.
None of this is true. If you friend suck at being parents, it's their fault and not the children's.

Realistically, how much of that money is spent on necessities and not just materialistic garbage that turns kids into brats?

It's not responsibility, it's just tedium.

Besides, I simply can't afford 250 grand to raise a pair of rugrats.

Holy fuck. Ideological subversion in full effect.
This individual is lost. It's best to kill yourself right now. It doesn't even make a difference. At least you wouldn't br spreading that cancerous Zeitgeist that's killing the white race.

this

I said the planet is over populated.
First world nations aren't as over populated as other countries because our economies have been manipulated for a long time.
American cities are overpopulated as far as the elites are concerned.

Not an argument.

OP is just as a faggot who always misleads everyone.

>Durr it's not a respnosibility it's just tedium

It's time to stop posting, You've overstayed your welcome.

Still don't force this shit on white countries, Overpopulation only exists in third world shitholes.

you have no urge to raise offspring with virtue, and creare succesful people that can carry on your bloodline, legacy, and race? Sad!

>Letting (((the government))) euthanize you

user the problem is also that you got memed into losing your drive to ever want kids otherwise you'd be rioting. Your entire lifegoal should be to create a world that you can inherit to your kids but instead you choose to cut of your dick and cry that the goberment forced you to do it.

K selective organisms are more intelligent, live longer, invest more in their kids, are larger & more evolved.

The most evolved humans are K selective, and all technology & science was invented by the K selective humans.

Sure thing shlomo. Your nature is beyond perversed, do not breed.

Not spoiling my children. We will have two computers for the whole house, and a trac phone for them to use for field trips/outings.

They will share their toys, and their rooms. When they reach 16 y.o. I will encourage them to get a job.

You don't need money to make memories or spend time with your family btw. You don't need to send them to private school either. Do your reserach before settling down in area. Take a look at the public schools. I know a family that spends $20,000 a year for their kids to go to private school. They all share a house with the wife's parents because they can't afford their own house.

Manage your money well, and you can live comfortably.

It really depends on what you are buying them. Add a third mouth to the grocery bill, in my case that would be 100 bucks a month. Then you have to buy clothing and shoes, which is a higher expense in the early years because children grow so fast and infant clothing is surprisingly expensive. Fortunately you don't need a full wardrobe as they have no idea that wearing only two outfits is bad.
As for heating, water and general supply expenses, you have to add on some parts (like water) and other's do not change at all, like heating. My house is warm already.
Finally you have the expenses for vacations, spare time and education. This really depends on the individual. If you are an outdoor person and go hiking with your kids your expenses would be pretty low, if you want to visit Thailand twice a week and send your child to the waterpolo class each week you'll spend a fortune. As for education, the books aren't that expensive and block with some pens never killed anyone. If you are adding a full college degree onto your bill you'll hit the 200 grand pretty damn fast.

Sure I do. But I can't afford a quarter of a million.

>Your entire lifegoal should be to create a world that you can inherit to your kids
That's your lifegoal. Not mine.

If I was wealthy and had something to leave behind then I might consider having kids. In my opinon, it's pretty selfish to bring kids into the world if you're unable to adequately provide for them.

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>ruining those genes
jfc

>tells a white man not to breed
>calls me shlomo

Truly makes one ponder

Do your family a favor and kill yourself. You are wasted resources. Your line is a dead end. Die and let someone with a close genome inherit the few resources you have so at least that individual has a chance of raising offspring.

You really don't have to spend that much money, you know. It's a scare number to get people to think about having children trice before doing it or deciding to rather adopt a cat.

No thanks. I intend to enjoy my brief time on this earth. I will spend every penny of my money on myself before I die.

Trips speak. Your ancestors did it in much harsher conditions. Man the fuck up.

>Implying OP having a kid will make a difference or undoom the white race, or prevent his daughter and wife from getting fucked by a nigger anyway.

Regardless, having kids is a dumb idea unless you're really rich and can afford or really poor and qualify for welfare.

I don't intend to be a wageslave until I'm 70 years old just to raise kids. Fuck that. If that's your calling in life then go for it mate.

You know, every great man was just one single man.

tedium? you're a fucking fag. enjoy your video games, you massive bitch cunt loser.

Reply to my post ONLY if you have kids.

I have one blue-eyed and blonde-haired child and plan on having two more.

I have done more for the white race than most of you pathetic white supremacist faggots and I don't even subscribe to your ideology

doing my part

sorry I don't have a spare $700,000 lying around to have three kids

> Not even keeping pace with inflation

It's hilarious how triggered some people can get by my simple refusal to buy into this consumerist society, get married, get a mortgage and kids and fall in line like the rest of the drones.

If you want kids nothing's preventing you from having them mate.

Hey at least you get free x-rays

White traditionalist humans who invest a lot in their kids & care for them is the definition of K selective reproductive strategy & these humans are the ones who produce & contribute to society. They are more intelligent, live longer, are more healthy and is superior in almost any way you look at it. K-reproductive strategy.

Liberals & most non-whites in general usually get more kids, live shorter, are less intelligent, contribute less to society. R-reproductive strategy.

The more K-reproductive strategy an organism has, the more evolved it is.

Milo was a victim, this can't be understated. This doesn't admonish him of responsibility, for what he said. He isn't a paedophile, though. He is still the same degenerate kike that he always was. Ultimately, why do we even give a shit about him? Redditors that are defending his comments please KYS. Defending him for not being a paedophile is allowed.

I think you're in the wrong thread

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Doesn't it bother you that your existence is meaningless and you only exist to be a useless bane to your brother and sister's existence like some sort of parasite? That the only thing in life you'll ever accomplish is work just to give jews all your money until you die alone and with nothing of you left behind, letting them grow more and more powerful while your ancestor line that has literally existed since the beginning of life ends with an egoistical autistic kid that traded off his genome surviving against some hormones telling him he's happy?

According to the German state news, the expenses of a child are as following:

>Clothing: 9,101.80 EUR
>Daycare: 3,368.59 EUR
>Education: 3,525.00 EUR
>Toys (incl. gifts): 8,156.34 EUR
>Food: 25,605.36 EUR
>Housing (incl. heating, water, rent): 32,654.88 EUR
>Furniture: 6,489.96 EUR
>Electronics: 6,473.04 EUR
>Allowance: 2,496.00 EUR
>Sports/Interests: 15,627.42 EUR

Adding up to 116,913.77 EUR, but you can see where there's room for saving a buck or two.

Clint Eastwoods son is hot as fuck.
No homo tho

>Doesn't it bother you that your existence is meaningless and you only exist to be a useless bane to your brother and sister's existence like some sort of parasite?
No, not really.

Does it bother you?

>That the only thing in life you'll ever accomplish is work just to give jews all your money until you die alone and with nothing of you left behind, letting them grow more and more powerful while your ancestor line that has literally existed since the beginning of life ends with an egoistical autistic kid that traded off his genome surviving against some hormones telling him he's happy?

The whole reason I don't want to have kids is because I don't want to be a wageslave my whole life and give my money to the jews just so that I can pretend that I'm "contributing".

Have fun doing that. I'm sure your "legacy" will really matter to you when you're ashes and dust.

>The most evolved humans are K selective, and all technology & science was invented by the K selective humans.
And then they grant all their inventions or R selective humnas

>$226k over a lifetime
>about $11k per child per year
>less than $1,000 a month is going to bankrupt me!!!

Are people REALLY this poor now that $1,000 = a lot of money???

I have 4 kids and I'm able to put thousands into my 401k and 403b every single month, take vacations twice a year and own a boat. I own my house outright as well.

I'm a 33yo culinary school graduate, lol.

>Explain to me what's so enjoyable about having children?
Nothing. This is why nature hacks problem with orgasm. To reproduce humans lose their minds. Literally. Too bad for nature's crude exploits intellect invented blowjobs and condoms.

That's fine. The LARPing in this chat is real. You find your own meaning in life.

Are these numbers the cost per year?

Regardless of the 'cost' of having kids it's literally the easiest time in human history to successfully raise children. I mean for fucks sake, how much more likely were you a 100 years ago to die in childbirth or have a number of children fail to live past infancy? A quarter of a mil is nothing compared to that

Yeah just cut the food out

Cost to raise a child into adulthood.

Idiot.

Let's add up some numbers, shall we?
>9,101.80 EUR, devided by 18 years, is 42.14 EUR per month. According to the state media, you have to buy new clothing for 42 EUR every month for 18 years.
>8,156.34 EUR for toys and gifts. Dividing it by the mentioned timeframe give a monthly expense of 37.76 EUR per month. You don't spend 38 EUR every month on toys.
>6,489.96 EUR on housing, adding up to 360 EUR per year. If you ever had kids, you'd understand that there are some times when the furniture has to change, but keeping and eye on the furniture saves a lot on that expense.
>6,473.04 on freaking electronics, which are as cheap as never before. If you start buying techs at age one, you'd have to buy electronics for 29.96 EUR every month for 18 years straight. This doesn't happen.
>15,627.42 EUR on interests. If you pay 72.35 EUR every month from birth till your child hits 18, you are doing something wrong.

All in all, the numbers are too high, you'd be below 100,000 EUR.

Wow, you are dumb as a fuck. But luckly found a niche job.

Lel
Who the fuck comes up with these graphs?
Does it assume you're shelling out for college? I can't see any reason why it would be this high.


I kind I wish it was this expensive. Black people would be priced out of the market. Lol

>I'm sure your "legacy" will really matter to you when you're ashes and dust

It literally does. It's literally everything that's left after you die. Your reasoning is all off. Who do you think gets your shit if you without anyone inheriting it? That's right, the jews. How does not having kids prevent you from being a wagecuck who spends his shit on unnecessary shit and shoves in the Jew ass? The exact oposite is true. If you have a kids you have a reason to built wealth, save money and leave something for your kids to built future on.
But sure go buy some video games, tell me you're happy and not wasting your life giving (((them))) all your money because it """fulfills""" you.

You're cucked beyond repair. Your most basic desire that is inherent in all living beings got memed out of existence. There is no saving you.

Just dont buy your kids a phone

Adjusted for 21 years, less than $1,000 per month, factually speaking.

226k/21years/12months = less than $1,000 a month

>tfw spent less than 50€ on clothing in half a year, because no money due to ruined family (thanks, mom) and Hartz4

If you have any financial sense, having two kids is easy. Three kids is expensive but still not hard.

People NEED restaurant outings, fancy gadgets, pointlessly expensive vacations so they can feel rich. It is financial irresponsibility. The feeling of being rich (even though they are pretending) justifies their soul sucking office job. They are "unable to function" without those decadent luxuries, so they refuse to have children. It is disgusting

Yeah great Hans. Now your kid is going to be bullied at school because he's wearing clothes from a charity shop and has no money to go out and socialise.

Why bother having kids unless you can afford to provide a comfortable life for them?

>>Housing (incl. heating, water, rent): 32,654.88 EUR
That can't be for raising an child to adult, that's like a couple years max.

Yeah they should stop doing that.

You're an empty person desperately trying to find meaning. I'm not gonna rush and have kids.

What
The
Fuck?
I have five kids and that graph is bullshit.
>used/consignment/hand me down clothes and shoes when they are little
They don't care, they'll grow out of it in 2-3 months
>Stay-at-home wife
It is *cheaper* for your wife to stay home and the more kids you have the more it makes sense
>Homeschooling
No 'buy 100 boxes of crayons for the entire class!' bullshit, educate at the kids' pace, end up with better educated kids.
Bonus: live in a cheap neighborhood because fuck what school district you're in!
>Cook from scratch; join co-ops; buy from the farmer
Remember how your wife is staying home? Just her ability to shop multiple places and cook from scratch will cut food costs a ton, maybe in half
>College
Know what my grandfather told my dad?
"If you are smart enough to get into college and dedicated enough to graduate, you are dedicated and smart enough to pay for it yourself without debt"
My dad is a medical doctor.
Guess what he told me?
I have a degree and zero debt.
Guess what I told my kids?
Oldest is 20, has been working 2 years, makes $36k/year, no debt. Got his degree at 18.
Siblings are following him.
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This shit isn't even hard!

1000 is a lot of money.

>soul sucking job

I shitpost all day long, taking slight breaks to sell college kids booze. Owning a liquor shop is great! Doesn't hurt that there are 4 VERY large universities within 15minutes drive of my shop either, the Culinary Institute of America is right down the road.

:^)

Now you sound like another coworker, who stated that he's not going to have children until he can afford high brand clothing for them, which will never happen because he studied a meme degree. If you want your children to walk around in all sweatpants look for 250 bucks a piece it's a choice, but not a necessarity.

Not really, no. I've consumed more expensive cachaça than that.

>People have average salary $250 a month
>People have multiple kids

Your math and/or logic doesn't add up, Goldberg

For you

Your situation is different. I work at a big 4 tech company and see it among all my white coworkers. I have coworkers that go to restaurants for dinner every night.

>It literally does. It's literally everything that's left after you die. Your reasoning is all off. Who do you think gets your shit if you without anyone inheriting it? That's right, the jews.

You realise that you can leave your inheritance to charity or other people in your will if you have no children right? The govt taxes it of course but they tax it anyway.

>How does not having kids prevent you from being a wagecuck who spends his shit on unnecessary shit and shoves in the Jew ass?

It doesn't but I'll be able to retire much earlier because I'll essentially be a quarter of a million richer than people who choose to have kids.

>But sure go buy some video games, tell me you're happy and not wasting your life giving (((them))) all your money because it """fulfills""" you.

I don't spend money on video games.

>You're cucked beyond repair. Your most basic desire that is inherent in all living beings got memed out of existence. There is no saving you.

It's not a desire, it's a biological imperative for which there is currently no logical need. Humans have evolved beyond basic instincts.

My dad makes 75 grand a year but is broke because he has like 8 kids with 3 different women. If I have learned anything from him it's that women are shit and never have kids.

See
I assumed modern children wouldn't leave the nest until 21yo. Less than $1,000 is breddy cheap.

You are dumb as fuck, don't know the reality of most people.

It's the additional expenses. You are renting and heating right now as well. I'd have to put a single bed into my spare room and it would be fit as a child's room, with no money spent at all.

They go out because they have nothing better to spend their money on, except for frivolity. Pointless.

What are the rising costs associated with children, and is it really that drastic?

I'm still going to have at least 2 children. I'm not adopting either.

No excuse but your own that you failed in life.

Maybe your father should keep his dick in his pants, son.

Is it possible that his broken relationship strategy damaged your outlook on life?

I want to have children but I doubt it will ever happen. My parents are depending on me for it now as well because my sister's boyfriend has been confirmed as infertile due to a type of cancer he has (but will likely survive).

How's that capitalism working for ya? LMFAO

You need to provide your kids with a decent lifestyle otherwise they will just end up resenting you.

I would not want my kids to have a worse upbringing than I did.