Yes kids should be forced to stand for the pledge of allegiance

If you disagree you're either A. a lolbertarian B. a leftist or C. Someone that has little to no pride and respect for their country.

violates the NAP agreement

Kids should also have to give the Bellamy Salute.

>Implying the NAP exists

I'll be honest when I was a kid I abstained from the pledge of allegiance. I think I still would.

do you have to do this everyday at school?

Adults should be forced to stand for the pledge of allegiance. Every morning at 7.

Usually people don't admit to being braindead.

Thank god yes.

A braindead person wouldn't know any better so you'd usually be wrong.
t. genius

>Forcing children to recite an oath they have no understanding of
How's that boot taste?

I agree. The kids who refused should be administered a quick beating

>Allowing children to be illiterate unpatriotic pieces of shit
Hows that cultural marxism taste?

Shut the fuck up cheeseburger American before my dog pledges his cock into your kid's asshole.

What if I'm just an atheist?

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>Illiterate
No, just because they dont want to recite something?
>Unpatriotic
Nothing wrong with that tbqh
>Pieces of shit
Thats more like it.

Well atheism is cucked either way but just because the pledge says "one nation under god" doesn't mean you're being excluded.

Its just stating the fact that America was built on religion.

It's actually more like "thank the Knights of Columbus and the Red Scare that initiated the creation of the pledge around 1955". They also got "in god we trust" into the money.

I prefer Jefferson's version of the bible where he literally cut out all the parts that were bullshit.

>Unpatriotic
>Nothing Wrong with that

I bet you wish you could suck Trudeau's dick eh?

Specifically freedom of (and from) religion. They built a secular state on purpose. Because they knew that shit got out of hand real easy and they didn't trust it.

Smart guys. Enlightened.

It's 100% indoctrination so fuck that shit. Ally with your own country if it deserves it and for true reasons.
Not just because lol I pledge allegiance erryday in school.

>thinking you're intelligent enough to discern that rejecting the pledge of allegiance might have greater consequences down the road

You're still eating boot kiddo, someone just chopped it up and put it in a taco for you since you're so easily manipulated.
It's called divide and conquer, one day we're all united saying the pledge of allegiance and the next some faggot like you is pitting people against each other for saying it or not saying it

In God we trust has been printed on every largest coin in the currency circulation since we used an altered sixpence

Secularism is fine but it doesn't mean that taking god out of the country is justified. Because it never is.

There's a reason why Canada has no real national identity or conquest except that of being under the foot of a 90 year old bag

I'm literally all three of those things. Go fuck yourself bootlicking bitchboy

>confirming the supremacy and authority of the state above respect and freedom for the individual
>practicing this with children daily

if this isn't brainwashing, i don't know what is.

authoritarians are the worst. fuck off.

Says the person living is the most leftist and cucked country in the entire continent of Europe.

IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE IT ENDORSES MONOTHEISM.

"UNDER GOD"

YOU GUYS DON'T SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION IF YOU THINK THAT SHITTY PLEDGE HAS A PLACE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I'm C. Everyone around the world hates the US, and I'm a sucker for trends.

Outdated McCarthyism requirement. It would be better to recite the Boy Scout Law every day.

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And here I thought I didn't live in sweden.

>all these leftists cucks ITT with no respect for the pledge of allegiance

Fuck all of you and goddamn we really need to clean Sup Forums

>what is the 1st amendment

nigga cmon, I hate when people dont stand but its their right.

>Unironically uses the term "statist"
>Is a leaf
>Is a lolbertarian or anarchist
>Thinks patriotism is brainwashing

If theres one person in the entire world with beliefs so bad that they shouldn't even be taken into consideration it would be you.

You are D. a faggot bootlicker.

Bring back the Roman Salute

UR A BOODLIGGER :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD FRIGGEN STADDIST

Kids should not be required to do any pledges in school, if parents expressively do not require this.

Parents have authority over their children and if they`d chose their kid to do the pledge, kid should have it.

Enjoy the roundup.

Pledge was written by a misguided "Christian" socialists/Marxist. Family became embarrassed and lobbied the Federal government to include a reference to God.

That passed by an act of Congress, however its still a socialistic pledge at its core. Only redeeming factor (Not much considering the underlining tone) of the original pledge is that your allegiance is to a Republic rather than a democracy.

"Roundup" ?

Not really a big fan of any political figure. I don't take much pride in patriotism because it's more or less just where I live, not who I am as a person, so I think it's foolish to proud of such a thing.
The queen really doesn't have much to do with our country. Sure, some people might celebrate her because of Canadian History, but honestly, I think it's safe to assume nobody really gives a shit about her in the end.

>be forced to recite pledge
>gradually rewrite pledge
>recite rewritten pledge

>I used to be edgy and sit during pledge during high school
>one day one of the school officers took me out of class during pledge
>he taught me the meaning of it and how I'm disrespecting vets who sacrificed for our country
>mfw I'm not more patriotic than ever
Even if you don't like it, do it anyway. You look like some edge lord otherwise.

Enjoy the pit of hell

This

This.

enjoy an eagle shaped dildo

D. A crazy Jehovah's Witness

my school used to begin every day with "oh canada" and even got a queens jubilee and rule britannia in a few times. i must have had an exception in cancuck schools

There is literally nothing wrong with being a libertarian.

Pride in your country is one of the most important things you can teach young children. People with pride in their country are more likely to help their neighbor and think about the greater good.

Went to schools with people who werent taught the meaning behind the pledge and the significance of patrioism. I stood to be edgy and to declare my time in service to my nation for providing me with a humane and clean environment to learn. Despite the obvious authoritarian apparatus, I stood because of what America meant to me before 9/11 ruined it.

Not to mention army brat.

>pride and respect for a country that is home to tons of SJWs, niggers, illegal spics, mudslims and tranny abominations.
nah

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not an argument

At least where I live in Canada, all schools play our anthem every morning and students must stand and stop moving, sometimes sing

If the kid can sit down and write an essay that is coherent and logical on why they they don't want to stand up (on their own, on the spot, with no help from parents or teachers), then I don't give a fuck. It's fine to have your beliefs.

But you know damn well most of them are either trying to be smartasses, or doing something their parents told them to.

>Trustworthy
>Loyal
>Helpful
>Friendly
>Courteous
>Kind
>Obedient
>Cheerful
>Thrifty
>Brave
>Clean
>Reverent

What a horrible thing to have to say every day, now isn't it.

Wrong. Kids should be encouraged to stand for the pledge of allegiance. Forcing them to do something doesn't allow them to put their heart into it.

Faggots on Sup Forums hate libertarians because they're authoritarians.

A lot of military veterans post here. These faggots hate freedom.

4. a secessionist

t. Texas nationalist

I only pledge allegiance to Texas

I'm authoritarian and I still love god and constitution given rights / freedoms. But I'm logical enough know too many freedoms and not enough government is suicide.

The pledge contradicts the rights protected by the first amendment.

C, I understand making sure your country works is very important, and my country works pretty well, but the people here...
might be because i'm in my 20s and at uni but it's just not what I imagined it to be.

right now I'm hoping it will get better when I get to my PHd/ work in 3 years

Yeah, with your hand over your heart facing the nearest flag. Saying the same short pledge almost everyday for 12 years in a row untill it becomes burned into your head. Like any rational patriot would.

I bet they made you march at school like the Mexicans

Is that why most of the founding fathers were agnostic or athiest

Founding fathers were amazing people but you act like they're the only thing that built America

See, I don't believe in forcing kids to stand for the pledge, but you're still an idiot. Texas is part of the US. States can't secede by an act of the state.

What is there to respect in a country like America?

In my last year of school me, some other guy, and the teacher would be the only ones doing it.

okay, then I won't do the pledge

You trying to get me to commit suicide?? I refuse to believe we're living among a majority of those "people".

Slav who went to middle school in the US.
I stood for the pledge of allegiance.
I thought it was ironically silly because being surrounded by a bunch of kids chanting a pledge to their country was the most communist thing I have ever experienced in my life, despite having grown up in an ex-communist country.
But as a guest in this country, standing for it was still the respectful thing to do.

It was probably more the convenient thing to do rather than a token of respect, amirite? Since if you yourself wouldnt show 'respect' you'd be slighty worried how the other classmates would feel towards you? My point being it was morally forced upon you.

I did also, the only one who didn't stand in class. Nobody ever asked me to stand or made a thing out of it

Graduated HS in 2002

freedom of religion =/= freedom from religion

They should want to do it.

>These faggots hate freedom.
freedom has a price and without patriots who will pay that price?

>mfw I used to pledge allegiance to the Socialist Republic of Romania, back in my high school years as a member of the Commie Youth (compulsory service)
>mfw I pledged allegiance to the Democratic Republic of Romania after the Commies fell back in '89

2 ideologies, 2 systems. Waiting up for the third now.

Please, for the love of god give me the nationalists.

>mmm this boot is delicious please fingerfuck my ass mistress you're my everything

You and mommy state have fun with your socialist propaganda.

*teleports behind you*

>Not realising you're of no more value than a shovel
>A pretty damn honourable tool, but a tool nontheless.

Who gives a fuck

Most of them were Christian or deist

>not knowing that children pledging allegiance to a symbol of interventionism and indentured servitude is a bad thing

Okay bud.

>burned in your head
If anything it's precisely the opposite- it becomes monotonous and meaningless. Your simpleton worldview according to which people can molded into drones by an innocent pledge to their country is worse than anything in that pledge.

I don't pledge allegiance to Jewish regimes OP

>didn't figure out that the pledge was patriotic on his own
>had to have someone tell him when he was a fucking teenager
if you're that retarded, your opinion is entirely irrelevant

Indoctrination takes slow steps, but big leaps. One moment you're standing up for a pledge, next moment you're bending for the pastor to shuffle it in.

I know i make no sense.. please help me

I stood every year until senior year of high school where it wasn't really enforced. It wasn't an active decision, me and my friends just rather kept talking. Once the teacher said "it's disrespectful to not stand, you know", but it didn't really impact me. Even at 18, people are still kids. No reason to make things so political for them, that's the kind of thinking that killed millions of innocent youth in the world wars.

Nothing is wrong with standing, it's actually admirable, and I do at every opportunity. It's just silly that from the ages of 6-18 we are expected to every single day. 99% of kids have no idea what they're saying. Why bring politics onto kids? It's not rehearsing that mantra that made me patriotic, it was realizing what this country stood for, which I learned when I was much older.

Being forced to pledge allegiance to a symbol before you know the meaning of the symbol isn't shady at all.

in texas you also say the texas pledge with pledge of allegiance

NAP is not an agreement lol it's a principle

That said, I was one of the edgy kids who sat during the pledge, I was a lolberg until my early twenties.

>should be forced to stand for the pledge of allegiance
Should they though? Are they even necessary? Seems kindof a weird thing to do.
Not even the USSR forced their kids to do this shit.

Agreed. All Americans should swear it. However, visiting Canadian students have no need or reason to. Visitors from other continents, however...