I am a libertarian: debate me

I am a libertarian: debate me.

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Who will build the roads?

roads

A sovereign corporation governing a private micro-nation.

I'm going to make a ton of money selling your kids drugs porn and sex toys

I don't argue with children.

They will be too busy working in my medical heroin factory.

Not an argument.

why does Wew Rockwell post so much Soviet era music?

He does?

China

Are there no arguments against libertarianism other than 'muh roads'?

Many free societies are Chinese.

No. Go scuba diving with defective equipment.

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What do you do when you realize 50% of your nation refuses to work and wants communism

Why are you still using the Dewey Decimal system? Isn't It obsolete?

Why do you believe that a liberal society where women can vote will not inevitably become a society of welfare and redistribution?

Execution by private security drones.

I don't support democracy: we need an aristocratic, plutocratic, neocameral, or monarchical government.

That violates the NAP

Why are you a meme?

Not if they are violently rebelling or joining groups which intend violent rebellion.

Okay lol

Then I don't know why you call yourself a libertarian

Lets say they dont, they hold shitty signs made at home and wear pink hats instead

Hmm. One of my ancestors name is Rothbard, am I Jewish?

How come you aren't engaging in activism?
What symbols & slogans do you propose to spread?
How do you propose to defeat the Unions & Marxists?
How do you propose to take back the pillars of society from Marxist influence?
What new/old initiatives are you actively supporting?

How does libertarianism prevent consumerism if the market deems degeneracy and self-stupefaction a "good" product to consume?

Seriously never heard a good answer expect ensure religions are kept in tact, but regardless the entire market would then work on subversion - see Edward Bernays.

If on private property, they can be physically removed at its owners discretion; if they are on my road, I can also physically remove them and make them dance in a crab costume before their CEO-king.

The market is merely a reflection of the people & the culture. You have to change the people's values and their culture to change the outcomes of anything from voting to the market.

How do we convince China not to invade is once we have no functional military?

Why would I want to work?

No.

I also call myself a neoreactionary.

How do you roads?

A sovereign corporation governing a private micro-nation builds roads and infrastructure.

Surely the market, once it realizes that more profits can be made by having a consumerist society will act - through advertisement - to change the culture, as we see with today's advertising, preying on passions as products satiate them.

Even if the society begins with good morals they will change as the sellers manipulate their consumers morals to adjust to consumerism.

Also if "The market is merely a reflection of the people & the culture", what if their culture is initially bad, or are morals simply what the heard deems is good as it is the majority of veiws. Literally heard morality - propagating that which ought to perish?

I'm a libertarian and I really hope there is a solution to this.

I am not an AnCap.

Why are you a degenerate

>Rothbard
>not an ancap

kys

How about a sovereign corporation which governs several or 50 private micro-nations?

>How come you aren't engaging in activism?

I voted for Trump.

>What symbols & slogans do you propose to spread?

Sneks are cool I guess.

>How do you propose to defeat the Unions & Marxists?

Private unions are fine. The pernicious influence of Marxism can be largely expunged by completely privatizing education.

>How do you propose to take back the pillars of society from Marxist influence?

Abolish democracy; replace legacy media with digital cryptosystems.

>What new/old initiatives are you actively supporting?

The Dark Enlightenment.

>How does libertarianism prevent consumerism if the market deems degeneracy and self-stupefaction a "good" product to consume?

How degenerate individuals chose to expend their resources of no business of mine.

They are still building roads.

Excuse me?

States regularly fuck their citizens more than the federal government.

Why should I trust my incompetent state government to handle anything?

Borders

That sounds feasible

So your answer to the roads argument as a libertarian is that the state will build it? I'm disappointed, son.

>States regularly fuck their citizens more than the federal government.

Define 'fuck'. Think beyond democracy: I am proposing a form of governance very different from what we have now.

>Why should I trust my incompetent state government to handle anything?

You can move.

Should be closed.

It indeed is.

How can you ensure large corporations will not turn rogue and violate NAP if they ever reach a monopoly?

Libertarianism is not anarcho-capitalism (although some form of commercialized law could work if a sovereign government is preventing warlordism).

In some sense I agree with him, because prisons and criminal records are absolutely barbaric and need to end. It would be preferable to have the cops administer a beating or lashing on the spot.

Explain why it should be closed while using a libertarian ideology.

That's the same with literally every political philosophy & it's something you should probably understand.

If you had a libertarian society with 1,000 criminal blacks and 1 white Libertarian, what do you think the outcomes would be?

If you had a 1,000 Asian Libertarians & 1,000 white Liberals, what do you think the business', voting & everything would be?

What if you had 1 town of 1,000 American Libertarians all born in the 80's and another town next to it with people born in 500 BC?

Environment & culture are big factors, what you're doing by talking about consumerism & bad morality is adding your subjectivity into the mix.

Think of Libertarianism as a basis for a moral & free society, what extends out from there is up to the people involved, its up to your and their subjectivity, if you want people to be a different way then you can campaign, preach, teach & whatever else to try and persuade or change people, if there is a lack of community you can start a community hall/sports club etc.

It doesn't necessitate certain outcomes, freedom is a basis, as Hayek would say Freedom granted only when it is known that the effects would be beneficial is not freedom, especially when you look at his economic works of the wide dispersal of knowledge in society, it's like trying to debate what flowers would grow in the Amazon rain forest. You can plant some seeds but just by having a rain forest you don't know exactly what will happen, but it's still beautiful.

To what extent are you concerned with race? If so, do you have any ideas of how to protect the white race?

Do we need a Pinochet?

>also known as the government

We do not have full private property rights: we have democracy, we have non-discrimination laws, and we have public property. Therefore, an open border in our present societies is assault upon private property and its requisite social norms; it incentivizes an invasion of Third World barbarians and cultural and political conquest by low-IQ bio-trash and must therefore be halted.

If it were up to the officer then no one would be punished at all for victimless crimes like drug use.

Unless they are endangering someone with their impairment.

Why do libertarians care more about winning debates among themselves rather than winning elections?

>To what extent are you concerned with race?

Very much so; I would consider myself a bio-realist: race is a biological reality with significant implications.

>If so, do you have any ideas of how to protect the white race?

Ethnic nationalism and a rediscovery of racial identity.

>Do we need a Pinochet?

Probably.

>We do not have full private property rights
What do you mean by this? I thought libertarians would want to protect their capital.

What if the immigrant is peaceful and don't threaten the freedom of Americans? Why should the government interfere? Also, who is paying these people to patrol our borders?

Not all forms of government are equal.

>A large corporation that governs micro nations
so basically a government that isnt accountable to the governed and is focused on profit

yeah that isnt mildly suceptible to corruption or anything

Nigga, we just put Emperor Trump into office; you didn't think Weed Man was our real candidate did you?

Faggot

Libertarians love dick, fuck you

Based, fellow Nrx.
Ok so I've read quite a bit of Land and Moldbug, among other things. Many of their ideas are extremely thought-provoking and insightful; I would say I agree with 85-90% of their writing. I've focused more on the religious aspect (i.e. Puritan Hypothesis) and have some contributions of my own in that field, while it seems like you're more into the neocameral aspect (corporate micro-states, etc.)

Anyway the one thing that's always bothered me about neocameralism (and its derivations) is that it seems to be structured so that the end goal of society is to maximize wealth. Philosphically, I don't agree with this, although its critique of governance is excellent. Being more "libertarian-leaning," what is your opinion on this? Do you think the goal of the state, should, indeed, be maximizing GDP (implying a sovcorp is ideal?) If not, how do you reconcile this with corporate governance?

Is Libertarianism the most Jewish of economic philosophies?

Who will stop me from subverting your society and conquering it?

*insert pipe dream abstract political theory here*

No, that would be classical liberalism.

Not basically a government, but a government as it currently exists everywhere. He's giving the most disappointing non-answer to the roads question on the planet.

Correct. A government that focuses on profit and isnt accountible for the governed is inferior to one that exists as a representative body of the people

While it is certainly feasible for a state to successfully run with lassiez faire economics, a governing body is needed to promote entrapanuership and prevent monopolies, and to maintain decent living conditions for the poor. You sound to me like more of an ancap

You put your freedoms in front of any moral values. You're a slave to your rights, they become your god that you worship.

Sorry, I mistook you for the ancap that joined in.

The problem is you are assuming an ideal social order where government isn't forcing theocratic rapists on my property while making me pay for Jamal's five kids. Reality demands compliance; mindless idealism is a cardinal weakness:

>xenosystems.net/border-follies/

There are also other reasons --- beyond libertarianism --- for restricting immigration (such as preserving an ethnic heritage).

>so basically a government that isnt accountable to the governed and is focused on profit

Yes.

>yeah that isnt mildly suceptible to corruption or anything

Much less so than democracy.

>A sovereign corporation
>Literally being OWNED by shareholders

You ancaps need to lay off the fucking bong if you think this is a good idea.

ancaps basically want to return to the feudal system, but with capital as sovereign rather than God or the People.

I am bisexual.

And your country has an average IQ of 82.

>bisexual ancap white identarian neoreactionary
anymore special snowflake labels we should know about?

Pussy destroyer.

It's not anarchocapitalism because, within such a state, the corp. would still have a monopoly of force, making governance actually effective. This eliminates the basic mistake of ancaps, which is to assume that people can effectively make decisions and contracts with each other without some central power to enforce them.

>a privately run organization with 0 accountability because they dont represent the people are LESS corrupt than a republic

Im sorry but thats bullshit. Your basing society on the goodwill of a corporation that is TRYING TO MAKE MONEY instead of democratically elected representatives

no
so the government

you're a fat faggot

Ok. So what would you say is the goal of governance, if not to make money?

That is not using libertarianism ideology like I stated before to use.
As long as immigrants are peaceful, the government shouldn't interfere with who comes in and goes out.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree we should restrict borders, but libertarians don't believe we should have them.

>central power to enforce them
Yeah, a central power that has 0 accountability and is out to make profit. I dont believe that things like a minimum wage and workers rights are helping the cause of the "governing body" if its only true goal is profit, and anything else is basically goodwill from the dictatorial corporation

>Based, fellow Nrx.

Hello.

>while it seems like you're more into the neocameral aspect (corporate micro-states, etc.)

True. I also overlap with ethnat a bit.

>Anyway the one thing that's always bothered me about neocameralism (and its derivations) is that it seems to be structured so that the end goal of society is to maximize wealth. Philosphically, I don't agree with this, although its critique of governance is excellent. Being more "libertarian-leaning," what is your opinion on this? Do you think the goal of the state, should, indeed, be maximizing GDP (implying a sovcorp is ideal?) If not, how do you reconcile this with corporate governance?

My economics are Austrian and in Austrian economics all value is subjective which means Sov-Corps will conform with various subjective values when delivering sovereign services; while I would expect libertarian economic polices from most Sov-Corps, some micro-nations might put an emphases on ethnic community, religious community, or techno-scientific advance as per economic signals received from consumer-residents which Sov-Crops compete for.

The libertarian conception of meritocracy is in reality a judeaified and mammonized perversion of calvinist predestination, a spiritual and moral cuckholding which takes advantage of the WASP's higher inclinations towards work, industry, and personal responsibility for the good of the community and transforms it into Judaic internationalist bean counting and the sociopathic reduction of all of human life to shekels, all of their sanctified "individuals" become units of labor and consumption. The end result is an international corporate latifundia where all traditions and national identities have been replaced by the atomized individual consumer.

It's a political religion for bottom feeding temporarily embarrassed millionaires who all think they'll be Bill Gates one day if they just bend over backward for politically connected industry that wants to avoid any obligation to the nation. It's the economic equivalent of christian zionism.

No, that would be Bolshevism.

Libertarians can only conceive of a state that exists at their expense, so they imagine that they can do away with the state entirely. They do not see the necessity of the state or the possibility that the state can be a reflection of the will of a people's national community. Of course Jews would prefer that gentiles not see this possibility, even while the Jews themselves preach "free markets" on the one hand while co-opting the state for their own benefit on the other because in practice what it means is no political mechanism which would make them accountable to the public they rape. "Small government" in practice means subsidization and protectionism for the politically connected and "market discipline" for you.

The market isn't god. A truly "free market" would be a global market for labor, one in which employers go where labor is cheapest and workers go where jobs pay the most - in short, it means the invasion of Europe by non-whites, not the lifting up of the world into a global bourgeois consumer culture but the destruction of the 1st world and its people joining the ranks of a global peasantry of cultureless and landless debt slaves.

If capital is transnational, then the whole world becomes a colony. Guess which wandering, internationalist ethnic group owns all the capital?

My private security drones.

>governing
Chrckmate ancap fags

Drones are stupid.
Jews are smart.
Who will stop me from subverting your society and conquering it?

they won't own nothing either since they would be sovereign entities in themselves and I imagine accountable only to the shareholders who would function as that government's citizens and lawmakers, those with larger shares casting higher percentages of the votes.

I imagine that's the point where ancaps argue that employees/plebs would be required to acquire a share to prevent such scenario - but then surely it is not that different than taxation, since I would need to invest to get a say?

Also what stops me from having "citizenship" with another corporation and working for the other in secret? I imagine corporate espionage would become a much a big crime but that wouldn't be much different than the treason system we have now.
It honestly just sounds like you are arguing for a system that would end up similar to our current one. Except with a different form of taxation and/or at least less of it.

>Correct. A government that focuses on profit and isnt accountible for the governed is inferior to one that exists as a representative body of the people

Kek. The most economically free places are not democracies for a reason.

>maintain decent living conditions for the poor

Why?

>You sound to me like more of an ancap

I almost am.