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What was the point of this happening? Why did these people need purged? Who were they, and what were they up to? Everything I find seems vague or contradictory, and sounds like propaganda.

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omg u shitlord, Ernst Rohm was a non-binary non-fat-priveleged demivoid, they had to take him down cuz everyone knows that we are the most powerfull

Was he really gay, or was that just a smear?

Also, would appreciate any sources outside of wikipedia, that place is obvious shit.

They're all so pretty.

Socialism was a young ideology that split in two directions, national-socialism and movements alike, and internationalist movements.There also was a split in NSDAP, to simplify, people that wanted the socialist part of national-socialist to be more important.They held a huge power and were planning a coup, but they were cockblocked and murdered by nationalist wing of NSDAP.Whether or not Hitler was involved is a mystery

I thought the heads of the SS were having petty disagreements with the SA leader so he lied to Hitler and tricked him into thinking the SA leader was planning a coup, so this prompted Hitler to order their purge.

That's the Strasser faction you're talking about, that wanted to move Left toward something like Bolshevist internationalism. Is that the only reason Strasser was targeted? I saw somewhere he plotted on Hitler's life.

all nazis were gay my teacher told me

They just purged the socialism out of national socialism, why not?

Got rid of the undesirables (Röhm was openly homosexual) and secured the support of the Prussian nobility/officers in the Wehrmacht, knowing there wouldn't be a second military force

>They just purged the socialism out of national socialism
So why do people still say national socialism was "socialism"? Is that just an autistic thing libertarians say, because "all statists are socialists" meme?

It was a economically centre left. Anybody who puts the Nazis on the right of those political ompass' are autistic. You cant get more big government than the nazis; Government owned industries and infrastructure, massive government funded infrastructure projects, money for each child an aryan women has, social programs, a government department dedicated to giving workers free and cheap holidays and rewards etc etc etc. Yes they had a mixed free market economy but they where economically left.

>It was a economically centre left.
Yeah I just can't buy that anymore. You can't be "center left" on a world scale when you privatize all the industries the previous leftist government had nationalized. Its just not recognizably leftist anymore.

Rohm was calling for the SA to replace the Heer as the military, openly, like a fucking idiot. Hitler had just taken power and needed the support of the military, so he beheaded the SA before they could start causing internal damage to the party and turned it into a sports and training club.

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To consolidate power. Röhm and co. were too independent and Hitler didn´t want to share power, especially since Röhm and him didn't always see eye-to-eye.
Simple as that, really.

That's the most logical reason I've heard so far. I'm sure the rest had to go for similar reasons too.

My source was Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich. Great read.

I think I've read parts of that. Does it talk about the meeting with the grand mufti of palestine, and that quote about Hitler saying "if the French hadn't beaten the Muslims at Tours, the Germans would have come to dominate all of Islam"? That's the line I hear a lot of people twist to mean "Hitler was a Muslim and hated the French". Speer was there for that meeting, I think its the same book.

>"Hitler was a Muslim and hated the French"

So a modern German?

Yeah, Speer says that Hitler was playing politics because he wanted strategic access to oil resources. In private, he saw the Catholic/Protestant faith as necessary for the spiritual contentment of the general population. Hitler himself was a confirmed Catholic, and although he wasn't particularly religious, he still held up Christianity as an important part of German life.

It was Himmler exclusively who wanted to abandon Christianity entirely and replace it with a pseudo-Pagan knighthood. Hitler thought he was being an autistic dweeb, but he let him carry out his fantasies with the SS because he was a damn fine spymaster and law enforcement head.

no, it's capitalism with social policies and rules, much like Germany today

He was gay but Hitler didnt care, it was just spread after the purge to make it more acceptable to the conservative German public.

Röhm was one of the close friends of Hitler and one of the few persons who were allowed to call him Du (you) instead of Sie (honorific you).

After Röhms death Hitler would not allow that somebody spoke ill of him when Hitler was around.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to the SA had the war continued longer or the Axis won the war.

Maybe Hitler would have started to support them more if Himmler got to greedy with his occultism

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Ernst Rohm and the Strassers were economically Marxist and had political beliefs similar to modern Juche theory. Hitler had them killed to win over the trust of the big banks and companies.

>because he wanted strategic access to oil resources
He also needed help on the Haavara Plan.

Both of you are wrong. Strasser was still a Nationalist but he wanted economic far leftism. He also wanted to ally with the Soviets against British capitalists.

Strasser talked out both sides of his mouth. He did more than just want to ally with the Soviets, he wanted Germany to adopt their policies and Bolshevism. He wanted it so bad, he wouldnt shut up about it, and it cost him his life.

Seriously, you cant have a guy like pic related be the head of your party, and run around talking about how great Bolshevism is

Hitler's relationship with Himmler was always strained, and only got worse over time. David Irving writes that Himmler was doing more and more things behind Hitler's back, against his standing orders, as the war went on. He was too powerful for anyone but Hitler to reign him in. That was one of the greatest weaknesses of the 3rd Reich: the Reich ministers had too much power, and became like petty warlords in their own spheres. Same problem with all types of government, but made worse by the war I imagine. Kind of like how Truman couldn't control Patton or MacArthur.

Thats the problem, but on the other hand it would have taken away the dynamic spirit if they had less power.

Yeah I don't know another way around it. Had the war not corroding the leadership, it would have held just fine.

These movements always destroy their true-believers, on their path to stupidity.

The pope himself destroyed the Templars, Hitler destroyed his most loyal street-brawlers, who were the troops that got him into power in the first place.

If Trump continues his retardation and axes Bannon, Kelly-Anne and Miller, the trifecta of pure retardation will be complete.