AUTOMATION AND THE FUTURE OF MANUFACTURING

So I've been thinking about this and was hoping someone out there who knows a lot about this stuff can offer some insight into the subject.
I've been hearing a lot of people bring up automation and how it's going to replace the need for human workers entirely in the next 10-30 years or so. A lot of them bring this up in relation to Trump's goals of bringing back American manufacturing jobs saying that it's pointless because those factory workers will be out of jobs anyway so why bother.
Thoughts? Is this something to be concerned about or a lot of panic over nothing?

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SHODAN a shit. AM's the real deal.

Also, I figure even with automation there's still gonna be a demand for technicians who can maintain these machines at least to some degree.

A lot of ink has been spilled over that.

>replace the need for human workers entirely in the next 10-30 years or so
Not going to happen.
We will see a major shift in the way production, though.
New technologies will enable smaller businesses to manufacture products and provide services that upntil now only large companies can provide.
Think how 3d-printing is doing exactly that, right now!

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Yes - this will be realized when it is too late.
How many Gas attendants were replaced by self-serve pumps, how many toll booth operators, bus and train ticket collectors, switchboard operators - the list goes on and on - the speed at which it will happen is comparable to the rate new smart phones come out. The days of massive production lines and factories are numbered.

People think there will be a greater demand for "technicians" but that is based on old world thinking - today one tech can fix the same number of machines a team of ten techs use to. Technology advances and becomes virtually maintence free... and all the while we keep having babies and increasing the population. It's a snowball that can't be stopped.

There will never ever be enough "jobs" for everyone.

Good point, I suppose a lot of average joe's could end up going into work for themselves with that sort of thing.

>Is this something to be concerned about or a lot of panic over nothing?
A lot of panic over nothing.

unregulated capitalism woiuld have it here already

we all work cushy robot programming and maint jobs
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You have it the worng way around.
You make the fallacious assumtion that todays trend of automation is something that only affects service jobs and production in large scale industries by specialized machines.
But in fact, what we see today is a dendency towards generalistic automation.

Take metal working industry as an example:
In the past huge capital was required in order to produce metal products on a mass scale, because the machines needed for production are very expensive.

But thanks to automation technology like 3d Printing specialized products like
>pic related
can be produced in high quality at very low cost by small businesses.

I am pretty confident that we will see a return of family owned workshops, specialized in producing products after costumer specification at prices that can compete with mass producdes goods.

*please excuse my bad english!

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I don't think so - there will be no need for industrial production if any ma and pa shop can print off what ever parts they need, there will be too many small shop operations competing with each other that it's not viable. I think metal working is a bad example because new materials and synthetics will replace metal - I was meaning factories. In the old days you needed a team of humans to screw the caps onto toothpaste tubes, and women used to paint iridescent powder onto watches - all this has been replaced by machines. Big industry can also replace their production with the same 3D printers a small operation would use and get one human to just push a button, making family owned workshops obsolete.

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> dont use metic system.
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>Not going to happen.
Have you heard of ATMs? Have you head of Amazon Go Store? Have you heard of self driving cars?
The only way we can save ourselves from economic collapse is some for of global socialism where we split products equally.

du weisst nichts, hans schnee.

please stay on the Rapid-Prototyping-Train and dont educate yourself with real manufactoring knowledge. Knowledge which will be valueable the next 500 years, like casting, welding, molding. Oh and dont be upset when no1 is hireing you.

t. PhD manufactoring engineering.

The marginal cost of a product will always be lower for a factory than a small biz so factories will keep winning the cost competition, even worse, shipping costs are decreasing too and thats the only edge small shops would have against a factory in China.

automation implies a reduced number of human laborers.

Employment as a thing in itself if no longer necessary.

Means of production are a form of wealth regardless.

So even if more jobs are not created, having manufacturing on your sovereign soil is a form of capital/property. Thus by waging a property tax on robot, people who have been displaced from employment can have money allocated to them ... to keep the economy running.

Also not to mention industrial grade 3d printing where very small tolerances need to be held are still quite expensive and slow. You can't just buy a makerbot and expect it to make parts that say a printer that produces exhaust systems for high end super cars. Also the only benefit 3d printing has today is that it can produce parts that can't be machined or forged. 3d printing is still slower, and still has unpredictable failures depending on the medium being used.

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>Thoughts? Is this something to be concerned about or a lot of panic over nothing?

I just fixed an overhead crane that has been in continuous use since 1949, and will be for the foreseeable future. There is too much old shit out there still in use for people to think that every fucking thing will be automated in the next 10 years.

Manufacturing? Yea most likely.

Construction and maintenance? We're a while off.

>t. Electrician

I work in manufacturing, automation controls have not changed much in the last 15 years.

You charge the robots and give social payment to people

Where did I say that conventional massproduction tech will disappear?

Not for small to mid production volumes.

You don't say!
OP asked for the next 10-30 years and the trend towards lower cost, lower tolerances 3d printing tech is obvious.

nigger logic.

>thoughts?

regardless, jobs need to come back, it doesn't matter if they are done by robots or by men, you certainly wouldn't want china to have all the robotic work force that American companies just rent out when they need. Imagine if china says 'fuck off' and now you have no infrastructure, no robots, and you're basically fucked.

You need to have American companies producing these robots and you need to have American companies on American soil with this future robotic workforce. You can't let them have an advantage over you in this manner.

Trump should bring back jobs and force companies to build factories on US soil. If and when those companies replace their workers with robots, they will still be on American soil ripe for nationalization if push comes to shove.

Why aren't we charging banks for the ATMs?
Why aren't we charging supermarkets for the self-checkout?
Why aren't we charging for digital cameras?

Are you a commie?

I still cant wrap my head around metal 3d printing.

Something is telling me it wont really be printing aerospace titanium and nickel alloys and not even tool steel really.

From what little i knowe about powder metallurgy conditions required to get a high quality part without internal defects that wont crumble are way too complex to reproduce in a 3d printer.

You are french cant go lower

>No jobs
>No one haves money to buy shit
>Companies go broke

You need to keep the economic cycle with walfare stupid Ahmed.

Don't worry, if you are not a subhuman there will allways be work for you.

what is your solution mr " muh free market". We already have record unemployment rates due to technology. Enlighten me pls.
Inb4 new jobs will appear, that myth has been debunked.

Obviously if you are a nigger without imagination or intelligence, you're fuckerd. And I don't care. I don't want to give you gibz for nothing you can starve fot all I care.

>my daddy gives me money and that makes me ubermensch

who is going to buy your creative and intelligent shit you produce when everybody is jobless and broke?

The white people.

money has no value if everyone is jobless. automation will never get rid of jobs, it will only get rid of jobs on the condition that manufacturers will give away their automatically produced products for free. if they do not give it for free then it must be sold. if it sold then it must be that money has value, and both buyer and seller are participating in the economy. it is logically necessary that, unless the economy as we know it transforms into something that can't be called an economy, that automation will not get rid of all jobs.

I swear everyone that says this has a two-digit IQ.

Only untermensch are afraid to be replaced by fucking machines.

>I swear everyone that says this has a two-digit IQ.

Where is he wrong?

He speaks as if it's a solution, that's the annoying part. It's like 1/1000th of a solution.

Throwing insults.
Not an argument.

I guess what I meant when I said "to some degree" that it would only be temporary and not a permanent answer to the issue.
I'll admit I am pretty dumb when it comes to this subject which is why I started the thread to get some answers.

Themindrenewed.com has some podcasts on tecnocracy which mentions the 4 th industrial revolution and the replacement of money with digital currency. They have been speaking about it at Davos.

why did you reply to my post goy

3d printing is pretty based. Just bought this for fun:

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Automation impact is still a few decades ahead and instead of finding cheap labor in various shitholes corporations should be investing in robotics. That's really the choice: illegals and outsorcing, which gives US nothing, or robotics that at least produces some high paying jobs.