There is nothing wrong in crossing the border illegally/overstaying visa. If you are from a shithole...

There is nothing wrong in crossing the border illegally/overstaying visa. If you are from a shithole, your only chance for a normal life is illegal immigration. Prove me wrong.

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i can't
>they do they jobs nobody else wants to!

What the hell is it?

The shithole that they come from isn't that way just because of bad luck. The country is shit because the people are shit, and they can keep their trash.

Looks like some poor illegals showing everyone their vibrant culture

lack of documentation on citizens throws of census data for civil administration purposes. Lack of citizenship also means lack of tax income and difficulties enforcing law.

That, and minimum wage does not apply to illegal immigrants.

Fuck off paki

But this people have no opportunity to become documented. How do you blame the lack of documentation on them without providing a way to get this documents.

I am slav, btw.

People legally enter the country from shitholes all the time you stupid fuck. I don't think they should, but they do.

>If you are from a shithole, your only chance for a normal life is illegal immigration.

No-one disagrees with this statement. That still doesn't mean we should let them in though.

You know how? By the family reunion. There is no way for an ordinary shithole citizen to enter.

Then better just shoot them at the border. At least they will escape their shitty life forever.

Wrong. Ever heard of the immigration and nationality act of 1965?

When you equate colonialists expanding into uncharted wilderness with shitskins deliberately invading a country

Your arguement is that people should do what is best for themselves. I agree completely.

What is best for us is protecting our borders. I dont hate illegals but people should not hate properly bordered nations either. Thank god for the sea.

that attitude is what prevents countries from getting better

if they want their own sovereignty and their country is shit they should fix it, thats how countries develop

>says the country that's an island

Fuck off.

Immigration is great if immigrants follow the rules and values of their new homeland. That's final.

Antifa "Bleeding heart liberal brigade" foot soldier detected.

Saged.

sage is the best seasoning

>There is nothing wrong illegal action

I wish faggots like you would do just that desu

Maybe, but it's not my responsibility to improve some fucking bean's life. They'll just make the country worse and be a burden for actual citizens, why do I owe them anything? I know this is b8, but it angers me to no end when leftists think it's somehow our duty to make personal sacrifices to support an illegal immigrant

> slavery was legal

No one asks you to improve his life. How does the legalisation of undocumented people takes anything from you?

that is more an argument that legal things can be bad rather than illegal things are good. Isnt it?

We made welfare states for ourselves. We all pay tax in one form or another. We would LITERALLY being paying for anyone that enters illegally. Either through lost tax, use of services and or crime.

> running from master was illegal

If undocumented/immigrants will not be able to get welfare, will you ve ok with them?

> be

So you have given an example of one specific case where you feel its justified to do illegal things. That has no bearing on other illegal things. Why not commit murder? You have proven that sometimes illegal things are moral.

There is no such thing as undocumented migrants. There are only illegal aliens. The phrase undocumented migrants was coined to deflect attention away from the fact that the people classified this way are commiting a crime. A crime because they undercut wages, leading to wage stagnation, they push up the cost of essentials like housing simply by being there and they commit crime since often they are paid to little to get by and have no access to safety nets.

Illegal immigration is stealing. There is no way around it. I do not want illegals to come here even if they dont use our social services.

How do immigrants get welfare without documentation?

If the rich in the west had their way, there would be no borders and our countries would not be worth sneaking into because the average man would live as badly as people in the rest of the world. Little better than slaves.

The middle class and the workiing class are currently fighting a battle for our countries to not fall apart through the predatory actions of the capitalist elite.

The capitalist elite want you, for slaves.

>your only chance for a normal life is illegal immigration. Prove me wrong.
Legal immigration
That was hard

Stay and join with others to make your country not a shithole. Immigration is colonialism.

In the US they have a retarded system that on one hand fights to deport illegals and on the other encourages them.

Its a battle between different interests that take turns writing the laws. So people with no documents can vote in the US, for example. In some cases they can drive cars legally.

>people with no documents can vote
How does this even work? Can a person vote multiple times then?

Yes its possible for people to vote multiple times in the US if they really want to.

Trump was complaining about this saying that the many millions of illegals would vote for hillary since they are threatened with deportation and they arnt even citizens in the US. Then the Democrats came up with the whole "russians are rigging the election in favor of trump" thing.

So its true the us isnt a democracy lool

They dont require voter ID cards in many places so you can pretend to be someone else. Serious shit if you get caught.

Yes I belive there is an effort to water down democracy as much as possible in the US.

>There is nothing wrong in crossing the border illegally/overstaying visa
Other than the fact it's illegal.

There's nothing wrong with breaking into a house and stealing food.

There's nothing wrong with siphoning other people's gasoline.

Absolutely. They can't ask for ID so who can say for sure? It's such a sham that requiring ID is seen as some type of discrimination, when getting a valid ID is not a struggle for even the biggest retard. Democrats have white people convinced asking non-whites for ID is somehow racist and that's the worst thing anyone can be in the current US. I don't know how blacks and Hispanics allow the idea that their procuring an ID is some act of God, but that's how it is.

Everyone knows that smart illegals don't get caught and end up getting citizenship, anyway

>How do you blame the lack of documentation on them without providing a way to get this documents.
There are ways to get these documents you cuck. It's called going through the legal immigration process. Yes it's a pain in the ass but it's supposed to be to keep the undesirable shit bags from coming over.

If you can get a work visa you can get a green card, if you can't you can seek asylum

last I checked the US was a constitutional republic.

Your corporate types have successfully begun chopping up the rights and responsibilities of citizens.

They will begin knocking them out as they see fit.

I showed that if something is illegal does not imply that it should stay illegal.
If wages go down it only means that the old wage was too high, and you can start a business easier when wages are low. They dont push up costs of houses, they make houses for a cheaper price thus making them more affordable.
Sometimes they commit crimes, but cutizens also do it.

Also
> triggered by the word undocumented migrant
> triggered by politeness

1 - Women are raped and murdered crossing the border illegally. IN fact so much so they are told condoms are required to travel

2- US Corp on the border take advantage of illegals as slave labor, cannon fodder. Used and abused with no recourse.

3- Illegal aliens cost $110Billion in tax payer $$ that should go to our kids who have $1Trillion in debt, or our infastructure.


4- Illegal Aliens steall S.S. numbers and not only fuck up other people's taxes, but waste their own money they will never see a benefit for themselves.

5- Illegal aliens are responsible for many murders of Americans. Often these people have been deported over 5 times.

6- LEGAL immigration will solve all these problems.

7- The DNC used these people for votes they don't deserve.

THEY. DON't. DESERVE IT!

Your argument amounts to this:
Give me your shit.

Fuck off you dirty foreigner.

But you dont own the house and they dont steal your food.

>normal life
thats relative to where youre from. if your country sucks then you are fucked if you cant migrate. but your children might not be fucked if you fight in a revolution, which you might as well if your life is fucked anyway.

Mind telling us where you are originally from? Lets assume you are in the UK legally.

India has a problem with people shitting in the fucking street. youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

He said he's a slav so I would assume he's polish.

If you need low wages to run your business then it is not a viable business.

He seems like a dumbass. He is advocating for lower wages if anyone at all will do them for less. We practically had a civil war over this in Ireland.

People were paid so little that they could be working and starving and they had no choice because all wages were that low.

Oh and after a lot of conflict a minimum wage was introduced, unions were legalised and the whole country improved vastly as a result. Businesses didnt collapse.

1 - but they still agree to cross the border, so living in a shithole is worse than being raped
2 - again, illegals argee on this
3 - how is it the case if they are not eligible for welfare
4 - there is no otger way for an undocumented to get ssn
5 - legals also commit crimes, and yes, criminals should be deported
6 - yes, it will, but Trump already made it harder to get h1b, he will probably do more do restrict legal immigratoon, forsing people to sneak illegally, instead of letting more people in when they are needed.
7 - this is probably true

You cant seem to comprehend that that having illegals in a country comes at a cost to the citizens of that country.

One that they are not morally obliged to pay. Actually I am sure you can comprehend it. It just leaves you with no argument so you dont want to admit to it.

Sweet, send me your address. I'll be moving in the first!

Yes, illegals comes with a cost, but it is a cost of not having a normal legal immigration system.

You understand that country is not your property?

sergei, you can barely speak english let alone make a rational arguement. You've ignored reasonable reply regarding legal immigration. its not that hard to immigrate here, ungrateful fucks just don't want to wait to become citizens.

You have no idea how citizenship works.
You have a childs understanding of immigration. All countries do have a normal legal way to immigrate however they decide the numbers since its them that bears the cost.

Not you.

...

> you can barely speak english

missing one word in my post doesn't even compare to your awful grammar.

>in an english speakng country

That is quite a disadvantage.

But It's OK to break the law to improve your living conditions.

Oh by the way, you should pay for my airfare too.

I mean I agree. I actually was wrong with the message of the post at the first place, just understood it.

A normal life is living among your own people.

easy for you to say, fucking feb. fucking up the whole world with your colonialism and then skipping on the bill when someone yells "who is responsible for this?"

I harbor no resentment to non-criminal undocumented aliens. None at all.

That's why they have to go back, peacefully. I understand they want a better life. Hell, I want them to have a better life. But allowing massive, illegal immigration hurts the US, Mexico, and individuals who are here legally.

They are exploited as essentially free labor, and the actual costs of their existence are borne by the taxpayer, not by the brutal labor they endure, they do the jobs "We don't want to", because in either a free market or a socialist shithole, those jobs would be illegal (actually, they're already illegal, but, the law would be fucking enforced).

They are a strain on our infrastructure, medical facilities are required to treat them if they show up at an emergency room (which I actually agree with for actual emergency, but, they aren't allowed to discriminate, if some asshole comes in the ER with a cold, we have to look after them)

They commit a fuckload of fraud to get their kids in schools and to draw from the welfare system.

All this being said, illegal immigration NEEDS TO BE CURTAILED, absolutely, it must be stopped. However, the legal immigration process currently is a little silly and convoluted, and probably needs to be streamlined significantly.

So, to an earlier point - how does this hurt *Mexico*, of all places?

Illegal immigration hurts Mexico. Mexico is a painfully fucking corrupt state, I've been there, in fact I've worked there, can't say I've ever "lived" there. Their politicians have an active incentive to not fix the issue, and continue to be beholden to cartels and international interest and exploitation.

In a free market if you couldnt find anyone to pick fruit for dollars a day then those fruit farms would necessarily move to another country where dollars a day was a decent wage and both countries would benefit from this.

Of course the land owner may not but he is a shitbag. Fuck him.

The border is their pressure valve. Any place that had this kinda shit going on that actually has neighbors that enforce their border, they would be fucking ousted 10-20 years ago. Mexico *needs* a revolution. The high-energy revolutionary type people would have an incentive to fight, but having an easy route to getting to a better country....

I don't like the idea of a blood revolution there either. People WILL die. And there will be destruction, but Mexico is a naturally rich nation, and is incredibly poor on the population level.

Cartels are literally having judges and mayors killed. With impunity. Politicians are in their pocket.

I could go on but I'm so tired it physically hurts, but think about both sides of the border. The fucking Mexican people and their nation deserve better, much fucking better.

Also, guess what? Mexico has a fucking southern border fence/wall. Look it the fuck up.

I seen a mexican "intellectual" get btfo. A fox news guy pointed out that tax on the rich in mexico is miniscule. Made possible by having no social security. All their poor are expected to hop the border to the US.

and they are welcome to do that. If you wanna be located and sell in the US, but grow and employ elsewhere, you pay for it.

Get the fuck out.

That is exactly what's going on.

>Be poor, from a shit hole home and cannot afford a vehicle
>It's wrong that I should be labeled a felon if I steal you vehicle
>We need sanctuary cities for people who stole cars, so the authorities cannot take me to jail.
>After all, stealing a car only affects one person. Sneaking into a country, taking a job and social benefits affects many more than that.

Why should GTA be a felony? Why should we prosecute anyone who aids a felon guilty of GTA?

Now give me your car, OP, you faggot.

The United States is tightening immigration all across the board. It's even harder now to enter the US on a work visa, not even getting started on citizenship.

You can expect wages to go up again as businesses compete for labor instead of the other way around.

>Uncharted Wilderness
>How much more shit can we do to the Native Americans?

Trump: "Nobody complained about the Dakota Access Pipeline!"

>Ignores lengthy protest involving Natives, environmentalists from dozens of states, veterans.

You are all cucks if you blind yourself.

>comparing established governments with borderline savages with no government

How about go fuck yourself and stay over in Bongladash, fucking cuck.

Why should be enforce laws against grand theft auto? If we can justify not enforcing felonies for immigration violations, why not grand theft auto also?

Hi cluck

Going to love gases them brown in the near future.

It's my only chance at having a nice car!

Stealing a car is a violation of property rights. Whos rights are violated by illegal immigration?

The citizens on the country. Their money is wasted on a non citizen and their access to gainful employment and accomodation is reduced.

did he died

exactly this I just stole a car, my actions only affected that one person. Immigration affects many, but I doubt you would just let me steal your car, would you OP? Are you a heartless racist?

What about when those illegals murder rancher's livestock to eat while crossing the border or commit crimes like theft and murder? Do the owners of that property and life have any less rights to what is theirs, than you have to your car?

>It's my only chance at having a nice car!
This too.

But doesnt it simultaneously violates the right of an employer, who wants to hire an undocumented person?

He refuses to accept that illegals have any negative impact on their host country. So GIBES!

There is not much point in arguing futher. Money grows on trees and anyway the citizens of western countries stole all those trees so fuck them etc etc etc.

cultural enrichment :^)

You are acting retarded now.

Dems fought Supreme Court to allow Illegals to have access to Social Service.

The DNC does this to GET VOTES. Anchor babies vote when old enough.

DNC changes rules in states to make it easy for illegals to vote.

Got a drivers licence? you can vote.

DNC stop any VOTER ID.


1.8 Billion Indians, they all have voter ID


Every person in Mexico has Voter ID with their Fucking Finger print on it!

That is not, never has been, and never will be a right.

I actually found a youtube video that sums up my thoughts pretty well, glad to know people are on the same wavelength - youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs&t=8s

at least on the "Why mexico needs the wall too" front.

Mexico needs revolution.

Indeed, there's "nothing wrong" with it.

But there's also "nothing wrong" with laws, so sorry if we apply them and kick you out for breaking the laws.

Fair, isn't it?

They can do that themselves.

Where they live they can probably get a free bullet to the skull of some easy to achive heresy.

Mexican cartel I believe it was. I can't remember if the guy being tortured was a member of the cartel and he was cooperating with the police or if he was from another cartel. Anyway, the guy was alive the entire time

>But doesnt it simultaneously violates the right of an employer, who wants to hire an undocumented person?
But they don't have a right to do that, it's illegal, it's just no one enforces it.

Just like how sanctuary cities are, by law, aiding and abetting felons. None of this shit is legal, it's just that our government is suddenly picking and choosing which laws to enforce and which to not enforce.

So if you can justify ignoring the law and letting in illegals... I get to steal your car and you cannot protest it at all. Don't like it? Why should we only enforce the felonies you feel should be enforced?