/future/ - Futurism General

/future/ - Futurism General

Discuss what's right around the corner for us and the world.

Kickstarter topics:

-Crispr has given a path towards physically viable gene modification possibly even for already living organisms. How do you think that will be handled in the future? How do you think is should be handled? Currently there are propositions to use the technology to eliminate malaria like we did smallpox? Opinions?

-Prime Minister Modi of India has recently announced his intentions to make digital currency standard for India some time in the near future. The Bank of Japan has also been playing around with the idea of digital Yen alternatives. In China, Bitcoin is already a popular investment vehicle. What do you think about first off: cryptocurrency and then more generally distributed ledger technologies? Are they relevant to the future?

-Automation is a concern for many unskilled workers. McDonalds has recently made it clear that in response to calls for a $15 minimum wage they plan to install automated ordering machines to offset the cost of labor. Even in highly technical industries, like for instance semiconductors and integrated circuits, The process is as much as 90% automated. What do you think the future of commerce will look like given the current trends in automation? Do they worry you or excite you? Furthermore: what are your thoughts on the development of artificial intelligence in general?

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People will chimp out and we'll go back to the stone age

>Furthermore: what are your thoughts on the development of artificial intelligence in general

An overrated meme concern, like unfunny people babbling about zombies all the time. But the McDonald's automation thing sounds really interesting. I've been wondering why it isn't already the case

Automation will widen the divide between the rich and the poor - the educated and the uneducated

Western societies are already dominated by consumerism, if the powers that be can keep it together then authoritarian corporatism is assured.

I think asexual mothers will be a thing in the next few years. Crisper and cas9 are looking good, China is already doing cancer treatment with it. I hope prosthesis technology gets better with computer learning algorithms.

>cyberpunk future was supposed to be cool with cyberpunk cities and cyberpunk robots and shit
>instead its facebook+twitter and indian tier slums

zetsubou shita sarariman desu yo ne

Weather. Leading to Water
They already know how to control weather
They're controlling it now
Without rain, no crops, economies crumble and must buy from elsewhere
Blackmail and extortion of governments: pay for rain or your crops will fail or we'll hit you with massive heat waves, bush fires, famine, drought
If energy companies pay enough, they'll be rewarded by profits as humans attempt to cool and heat themselves
It's most likely already happening
Government budgets will have to include blackmail money to pay the weather controllers

I believe AI to be a meme. Along with nanotechnology.

tell me this won't escalate to "muh universal basic income"
because the shit scares me to death. A world filled with NEET gaymers and self-important """artists""" is terrifying

I'd rather have the pipe dream of space colonization and forced off-world deportation for the unemployed so they can struggle for survival while using their minds, bodies and skills for the purpose of terraforming and colnization

I don't think it's a much a meme concern as it is that people are afraid of the wrong things about it. The main purpose of machine learning is automation. If enough production and defense is automated it may become feasible for despotic states to have a place on the world stage akin to America. The thing that gave us such an edge over everyone else was our productivity and the relative peace on our mainland that let us keep our industrial gains. In order to support that peace and productivity a certain amoubt of liberty had to be afforded to the general population. In banan republics like the DRC or Liberia, there isn't as much freedom and there isn't as much world influence. The leader makes just enough concessions to soldiers to keep himself and the soldiers fed and happy, peasants be damned. But with an automated police force, that's one less person to pay for loyalty. And if the work force was heavily automatic as well then you won't get as much stall in supply from treating them like shit. You'll be wasting money but they won't revolt, move away, or get sick. Worse case scenario, machines break down and you need a new one. This doesn't bode well for politically unstable places that draw all their wealth from manual labor. It COULD allow those places to industrialize and become normal nations, but the culture there is such that it's highly unlikely. And in the near future their productivity and mindset may become a credible international threat.

Is ocean surface farming a possibility? We could collect solar energy with big mats of solar panel floating on the ocean surface too.

Don't you mean "Brave New-World" esque communism?

If the populations of Europe can be kept pacified I don't see UBI as that far fetched. Having imported millions that will not work who will in turn breed many more millions to be welfare reliant there will probably be some sort of saving on UBI overall spending compared to current western welfare states.

We already have a generally left-leaning free market systems in the west, why throw away the wealth side of the equation?

The future is a prison state like North Korea.

I'm also pretty excited about cas9 gene therapy. But it does raise some interesting philosophical questions. How should we organize a society where everyone can edit their genome at will? What should the limits of this technology be? Will there be any limits other than physical limits of what's possible? If one nation starts offering effective gene therapy that's outlawed everywhere else, people will go there to get the treatment. There are extremely strong market pressures towards a sort of race to the bottom in terms of moral standards with this sort of thing. What's your take? What should be done?

Handled: Free market the cat girl waifus.

Socialise basic stuff such as healing and replacing body parts.

>Currently there are propositions to use the technology to eliminate smallpox?
U-um...good?

Cryptocurrency is nice.
Should be fun to use in space.

Future commerce should be focused on surviving.
The calculations should be done so the human in question gets the facts so he can make a quick decision.
It excites me knowing that I will be able to have the option of dropping my workload when I get sick, tired or even bored.

Let me answer your last question by asking you another.
Artificial Intelligence VS Artificial Life.
Which do you prefer?

1: Crsiper will likely lead to a divergence of human evolution it'll mainly be for the very rich to design super smart babies. while the rest of us degnerate. I do believe we may see mass human farms once the human population start declining.

2; Digital currency won't happen until the neccesary infrastructure is in place and energy becomes cheaper.

3; Yes automation will be a thing but like the industrial revolution of the past. Automation will create new different jobs not less. I'm not a believer in the UBI it's a communist pipe dream that'll never happen.

Nanotech is a meme. AI is not but most people bullish on it don't understand it at all and get excited over the wrong things.

If the technology is possible and its the best option it will happen.
That's pretty much the main principle everyone needs to understand. You can't fight power by calling it immoral.

UBI won't happen because even if you escape the cost at the register you can necer escape the cost at the plough. UBI woukd cause shortages and an economic collapse ala the Soviet Union. If you want another Hitler, then UBI is the correct way to go. But most people in their right mind know that such a thing would never work.

Oh user...There is so much for you to learn.
You see....
Designing babies is one thing. But when you start to mix, match and even double DNA you start a real competition in the market. Literally.

The whole idea would be to add new starter races to the beta.

Furutism is a very specific Italian fascistic vision from the first half of the twentieth century (see pic)

Whatever globalist transhumanist garbage you're spouting is NOT futurism.

It's a possibility. Countless of projects have been made, but when it comes to real world applications, you get either turistic attractions for the wealthy (palm island resort/the world archipelago in Dubai) or geopolitical nightmares (South China Sea)

>implying the "imported millions" will stop breeding as UBI comes, see the parts of Africa still running on western gibs
this leads to the Elysium scenario and you know it

>The Eternal Anglo
>Against Transhumanism

Wait...What? You just want to be first when you bring elves into existence.

Except everyone won't only the very rich will be able to afford gene editing. What is far more likely is we'll use gene editing to create an army of brutish slaves to do all the needed dirty work.

We'll, before we get to the point where governments are making designer babies and creating taxonomicaly different breeds of Homo, I think that it will first be used to treat cancers, and possibly used to correct genetic disease in developing fetuses. The first countries to use it are looking to be China and the US which is interesting. China is already using it while the US is still studying how safe it is. So after a few generations have been born with minor editing people will be able to get a better extent of how safe it is.

>The whole idea would be to add new starter races to the beta.
catgirls.

Amen.

I....I will get to work on making the Orks...

Except most people won't have access to this technology. We'll like use it to make slave armies of all kinds It's highly likely we won't just use it on humans but all animals. Hell this is probably how we create the superbug the kills most of humanity.

Oldfag NEET here.

How can I best contribute to the future in a meaningful way?

Why do ocean surface farming when we already have all the technology needed for vertical farms. Just dedicate a few skyscrapers to growing food for the city and you can drive the price of food so low that farmers might just stop bothering to grow anything. In the past that was a problem which is why the US government sometimes pays farmers NOT to grow produce even today. But with proper automation 10 or 20 farmers could feed 1million+ people for pennies a day and free up other farmers to do other things. Anything can be grown in doors. So we could export any crops regardless of weather and grow anything anywhere. Although vertical farming is more energy intensive than traditional farming, we've already nullified the benefits by A: Growing in inopportune places such as souther California; and B: making poor choices of crops to grow, most of which go towards feeding livestock. We can build a better future if we just try.

Of course we will have access to this tech. Its gonna be one big ass lab and a room! If someone was building a clone wars device you would notice!

Translate DNA to C code so we can open beta.

Standards of living will have dropped significantly and so will life expectancy, healthcare will largely be privatized.

If Elysium is a film reference I don't know it, tend to avoid giving Jewish people money where I can.

>Crispr - outlawed at first weaponization attempt
>Digital currency standard for India - Hackers and fraud destroy economy of third world, see Mount Cox.
>Automation is a concern for many unskilled workers - Terrestrial Automation is perfection of the technology before using it to mine asteroids, Lunar bases and Ultra-large constructs (Lunar Equatorial Space Rail Gun)

We need self assembling machines, imagine instead of milling a screw, you released a swarm of nematode robots that consumed minerals and excreted screws, which were then harvested by the millions.

Stupid, slow AI that is coded well are the building blocks of life.

gentle and submissive Orks plz

no need for another violent minority with a disgusting skin hue

I'm not saying we should throw away free markets. I personally want less social welfare. But in a realistic frame of mind, things are going to get much worse before they get better. People have forgotten all of the past examples of socialism so they need a fresh one if we're going to have a prosperous gilded age.

Shhhh little Celt. I'm trying to shill

One great fire extinguishes another. The Muslims made one MASSIVE mistake. They thought we were simply not reproducing. No. We were sharpening our axe. Our math became our dick, and we are gonna fuck the world with it.

Both. I'm an amateur mathematician and it's one of my goals in life to build a bona-fide strong AI but I have no preferance for that over a biological creation. Its just that I'm not an organic chemist. Haha.

I've thought about it, maybe AI will come about in a different way. I'm quite casual about it and I've always used videogames as a point of reference for the advancement in AI. Which is probably quite dumb, but I haven't seen anything but smoke and mirrors in that department. The internet's getting smart on human behaviour though. The rate at which you have to adapt is getting faster. But it's still amassing Algorithms no.

I predict pain and suffering.

Words change. Get over it.

>Standards of living will have dropped significantly and so will life expectancy, healthcare will largely be privatized.

Elysium-tier. Not an option (it's a film reference, imagine a worlwide favela where people have near to no rights and are used as slaves in robofactories as the Jews live the gay space communist dream on their orbital city)

Literally Australia-tier way to fight dangerous species. Eventually you get TWO of them roaming around and in the meantime you fucked up the environment (see: herpes unleashed in the rivers to kill carps)

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>only the very rich will be able to afford gene editing
Not likely. It's still in its infancy and it isn't prohibitively expensive. It'll only get cheaper and better from here onward. This is like saying that only rich people will have computers or cars. There was a time when that was true but that time already passed.

Depends on type. Gene editing of an embryo should be affordable. Gene editing of something older and more developed will be much more expensive. (changing far more cells)

Either way I don't think it will be too expensive eventually. When we get gene-edit based cures for cancer (immune system mods) and stuff it will save a lot of money.

Probably the best way if you have no particular skills is to just talk about these ideas and be excited about them. Start conversations on the internet and keep the buzz going. If you want to get to the moon you don't build a rocket. You make people dream of space. Our culture today will build tomorrow. So spread culture conducive to the future you want to live in. I'm not an anarchist but I love the anarcho-transhumanist ball because it exposes more people to the idea that technology will improve. We've come a long way and we're not done yet. Don't just know that, live it.

> AI

mostly single task AI, general human-like AI is a dream, it may be retarded like humans or go retarded

It is also possible some kind of reset may happen like the thing with dinosaurs.

I dunno.

Gene editing or gene selection of embryos has the largest immediate impact when it comes to crispr/gene sequencing. Around 50% of hospital visits of children are related directly to genetic disease. The big economical impact is not super geniuses but rather improved health and less healthcare requirement. Already, with current technology, if you began to implement genetic counseling and screening of embryos is would be net positive economically. Meaning that if you invested huge wealth into IVF with pre-implantation genetic diagnosis to just screen genetic disease it would be a net positive for society.

That is a huge source of untapped potential in terms of lowering healthcare spending and improving society, even if you did not seek to improve other traits like intelligence or behavior.


Automation is more of a social problem.

Probably the number 1 blockbuster gene mod will be blue eyes. If you can turn people's eyes blue you'll be the next John D Rockefeller

Thing is, will the western "free" market catch up to China since they have no problems in fucking up a batch or two of eldritch horror shaped infants?

When the "ethical" west will decide to go balls deep into the issue, other competitive systems may already have fucking supersoldiers

I think cosmetic changes are actually the least important to do at a gene level aside from framework things like height/shape.

Eye color is easily modifiable later on through cosmetics. Cosmetics will also improve pretty fast. Anyone focused on cosmetic changes to children is mostly interested in cute children and not practicality.

It will be health #1 and then intelligence/behavior #2.

We do illegal things in shady back rooms too. Especially if it's a matter of national security.

CRISPR is not viable for already living multicellular organisms and whoever told you that is a liar

Health is more important but make no mistake, cosmetics will make more money.

My bad. I'll be sure to remove that from the op and the pastebin when it's finished.

I like Crispr but I'm worried about what happens when instead of shooting up schools dejected sociopaths engineer new strains of anthrax.

presumably we'd also be able to treat it by that point.

Anyway frameworks are more important than humans lately and in the near future. We have to come to the conclusion that without augmentation or improvement humans really have no viable place in the future of society.

I also have to add this in. Liberals are fucking retarded low IQ shitmonkeys. They have published huge numbers of articles about "immigrants aren't bad it's automation".


1. The reason they cite for needing immigrants is to do jobs.
2. They then cite that jobs are going away as a trend.

Basically their reasoning of "jobs never coming back due to automation" should make them want to have less immigrants. Assuming we begin replacing journalists, lawyers, workers, miners, etc with AI, why would you want 20 million more people in the unemployed pool?

>I like Crispr but I'm worried about what happens when instead of shooting up schools dejected sociopaths engineer new strains of anthrax.

People can do that now. Just be thankful no one with a high IQ decided to kill 100,000,000 people with a simple killer flu yet. If you aren't a shitbrain you would fucking understand how easy and how high the risk is to human society.

By design we have basically created open vectors to annihilation (airports)

Genetic engineering is a lot harder then getting a gun or making simple bombs. Also getting anything related to deadly pathogens is difficult even for well established scientists, much less a loser highschooler.

It would take a quite a lot of work but when you compare it to the result?

What if there is some antisocial genius on a farm somewhere creating a new swine flu? It would be difficult but it's viable and compared to the threat it's unbelievably efficient.

btw the threat of such an attack is why Nkorea shouldn't be allowed to exist much longer. The world is at extreme risk of such an attack.

I agree with that tвh. We should reunite Korea and destroy Irannbefore anything gets out of hand. Also we sohould probably put bases in Mexico and police it with our army, and install a puppet government in Canada before they start sponsoring terrorists. We could make a free trade and open borders deal with Mexico if they allow us to police their entire country. As for King cuck. Shoot the commie and annex the land.

You couldn't do it at a farm. Transferring and biomolecules related to deadly infectious diseases is tightly regulated at the state and federal level. The big science companies wouldn't even ship the tools and reagents to a private residence.

Now, you could smuggle it in I guess, but that would make you part of a bioterrorist organization, not some lone nut.

It wasn't based on getting deadly flu from a lab. It's just a simple idea though I don't actually research this stuff. The idea would be to create an environment of flu spread and introducing flu to create a killer one. That's why I said farm.

I don't think the chance would be extremely high though but it's risk vs reward calculations.

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