What's worse? Fascism or Communism?

What's worse? Fascism or Communism?

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Communism. Fuck /leftypol/.

Communism but facism principles are present in communism as well.

Communism is dysgenic. Definitely fascism but I'm fairly convinced giving government so much power eventually corrupts them and they sell out to the highest bidder. It will happen in communism, fascism, democracy, any sort of government.

(((Communism))) killed 90 million people in the 20th century.

People think I'm joking when I say that Hitler saved millions of lives.

aye, but at what cost?

I would rather live in a fascist regime than a communist regime in a heartbeat.

Fascism.

Both are terrible, but I'd rather commit suicide than become a Communist.

Communism is worse its a generational disease. Its worse because people don't understand the history of it and motivations.
Just to illustrate my point people no nothing of fascism because of decades of Communist disinfo about it.

you mean authoritarian principles, facism is a combination of government involvement and personal/public freedoms.

They're both collectivist ideologies, therefore contrary to American beliefs.

Both equally stupid.

>What's worse
Communism, by a long shot.

>t. beta centrist homo

commies are worse btw, facists gov thrive while communists starve their people while their elites plan war and fuck children

Both have dangers, but Communism has by far the most solid track record of murdering and enslaving as many people as possible.

Also, fascism typically has a single significant leader in charge of everything. That kind of regime is far easier to topple if it starts to act against the interests of the people than a communist one.

This copy pasta would be ok if not fir the fact 1st world countries like America produce food surplus

gommunism has killed far more people, and it's never proven that it's a workable economic system.

plus, everyone who wants gommunism is the west is a fucking moron with a mental age of 12 and are insufferable to be around, so that's just another drawback

>dysgenics
Nice meme

Communism, because it is not seen as a a problem to still believe it can be good and advocate for it.

What's worse? HIV or AIDS?

This question confuses me because they have often times been used together. Its hard to find an actual definition for Fascism anymore since it apparently just means authoritarian and right wing now.

They both seem pretty cancerous though whatever the flavor of the day is.

Anyone see the new season of Chefs Table on netflix?
There's an episode about a Russian chef that is literally going through history books trying to find old recipes to restore Russian cuisine because their culture was destroyed during soviet rule.
That is your country on communism.

Communism

>90 million
Yeah according to Cold War propaganda like that of Robert Conquest. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Mariam were bad but I find 90 million to be a bit high.

They are literally the same thing.

Fascist italy was a socialist state.

FEEL FREE TO KILL YOURSELF NOW THAT YOU KNOW THE TRUTH

>evolution is a meme

>restore Russian cuisine because their culture was destroyed during soviet rule.
That's some serious horseshit buddy.

>Fascimme or Communismme

Whats the difference?

The reason there is no concrete Fascism definition is because Fascism was hated by Communists and Facism became anti-Communism.
Because it was so hated by Communists they constantly lied about it and censored it.
Thanks to communist infiltration of academia and media.
If you want to find out what Fascism is now you have to go to the source.

The Soviet cultural repressions were bad but that sounds a bit far fetched. People generally ate enough after the mid 40s and before the late 90s.

The most basic way I have always understood it was that in socialism the government owns the product(usually through taxes) but not the means of production. Where as Communism, the government owns both the product and the means of production.

Fascism just implies there is a dictator of some sorts, so they can easily be interchangeable.

Facism

Communist ideal is stateless, moneyless and classless society, completely nonviolent. Facism necessitates violence.

The only definition I can find now just means dictator or right wing government. I am very curious what the word actually means.

>muh communist conspiracy
It doesn't take a genius to know that most non scholarly mentions of the word "dysgenics" are probably half-baked garbage.

Fascism= Maybe kill the people of other countries, maybe
Communism= Kill their own people.

What is worse? It depends where you stand. I would rather live in a Fascist nation, and have my enemies be commies since they are suicidal and will likely kill themselves before they get around to killing me.

Never thought about that way. He truly did, not only millions but Europe since Stalin was going invade Europe.

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Like I said go to the source. Read actual historic Fascists definitions.
Communists were scared shitless of Fascism because it opposed their revolution.

What has killed more innocents in history... There's your answer

Then what is the definition of fascism bro? Every fascist government I am aware of has also been socialist.

Its the same!
Its class warfare and identity politics

>We have to take back our country because jews

>We have to take back our country because elites

Communist added a new dimension of stupidity do.

Still a newfag to all of this, I will try to look up some stuff. Any recommended reading material?

Commie troll spotted. Anyone informed on this subject knows the insane hatred Communists had for Fascists and their obsession with propaganda.
Yes its 100% a conspiracy.

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>Fascism
>Class warfare
Confirmed for not knowing the first thing about Fascism

Two sides of the same shitcoin. Communiggers are far more insufferable in person though.

Melbourne needs to be nuked
Fuck monash, rmit and melb uni

Oswald Mosley start with him. He drops some pretty big truth bombs aboit what Fascists were actually like.
For instance a quote by him dispelling the myth Fascists were nazis.

Fascists get punched for a reason. Communists make mistakes, but have good intentions

You might be a bit high.

You piece of shit

>dysgenic
agreed, communists are just dysgenic virtue signalling snowflake cuckolds. You lost, get over it!

>Franco was socialist
>Suharto was socialist
>Videla was socialist
>Stroessner was socialist
>Hitler was socialist
Hitler had a welfare state, but not much socialist policy outside that.

I thought this dude was the Syrian president with a mustache haha. Thanks man, looks like some interesting stuff.

>communists had anti-fascist propaganda therefore there's a communist conspiracy today
Are you high?

Im not talking about today you dumb commie.

Communism, but all socialism is shit.

>Stalin killed 20 million people: Silence
>Hitler killed 11 million (not all were jews): REMEMBER THE 7 BORILLQUADZILLION!!!!

ill tell you whats worst

femenest socialist communism and femenest communist socialism

Fascism creates a group mythos as the basis of society, the group. If you are not part of the group you are an "other".
Communism is just a grey, hollow collectivism. If you are not part of the group you are an "other".

Stalin gets blasted all the time. Most Americans just can't point to Kolyma, Estonia, or Ukraine on a map.

So communists issues with socialists is that they don't take it far enough? I was always under the impression they were very similar, socialism just focuses on the product and communism focuses on the product and the means of production.

That whole horseshoe bullshit is pretty accurate.

there are some fascism threads late at night on /pol, just be around user

I'm from Perth

No he doesn't, the closest thing to Hitler that has ever existed is trump according to most fucking idiots alive today.

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Free market is organic, self-correcting, and adaptable. Generally it's also anti-conflict, to the point of being a flaw; if you let a free market be totally free then competitors quickly start to collude. It's a balance to be struck between the inorganic, rigid State and the organic, fluid Markets.
The less free your markets, the less free your people, the more bloody and terrifying your regimes.
Communism inevitably ends up walking this path.

I have seen them but I never really payed attention. Its amazing to me how many things I know about, but don't actually know anything about them. I like this site, I appreciate the help.

>fascism pulled failing countries together
>communism starved millions of people because of poor planning
hmm i wonder

Communism.

Fascists don't pretend to be anything but what they are one they obtain power. Communists pretend to be your friend while they're committing genocide and causing mass starvation. In fact, even at this late date after all the millions of deaths, commies pretend they're the peace-loving, greed-loathing, proletariat-positive moral superiors to everyone else.

Central Planning is such an unimaginably complex problem that I'm almost surprised more people didn't die.

Yeah but, it mostly killed communist so.
WTF I love mao now

Fascism.

Both are collectivist forms of gouvernment, but at least in fascism one can achieve massive success and has relative freedom, as long as one doesnt interfere with the leading groups narrative. Fascism doesnt completely abolish the free market. Communism on the other hand just surpresses everyone except a small minority of utterly rhich people at the top, every communist system had been hypocritical to its own ideology. The main difference is, that you no longer have a sort of freedom at all, even if you follow the leading narrative, so basically is kept at the same level of shitiness.

Mosley fascism is the best fascism.

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>What's worse? Something good or something bad?

Point of this thread?

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some may argue that facism is bad

>yeah I find the holocaust numbers unreasonable because of propaganda and bias
>sounds completely reasonable

>I find the numbers for people whose death was caused by communism hard to believe because of possible biases and propaganda
>reee fuck off commmie cunt 1776 will commence again, I hate niggers... muh NAP, FREE MARKET... hitler did nothing wrong!...gas the kikes race war now... (((them)))
whut?

There are very few people outside of Ironmarch who think fascism is something beyond right-wing totalitarianism. Most people just think "fascism = bad".

Thank you free markets for giving us child sex slave soldiers. You are truly the only guiding light in this world.

both are terrible.

No problem sexy kiwi boy come to Australia

I'll list the reasons Communism is the most harmful.
Communism is extremely partisan. Can't stress this enough. Communists meltdown and fanatically attack anything they perceive as opposition. Eg the behaviour towards Trump.

Finger pointing. This is the mob level trick they use on human mob psychology.
Example "that guy is a nazi/fascist get him".
Consider following: what if the person actually isn't a nazi/fascist and is innocent of the accusation? An intelligent person might begin to see what is wrong with Communist thinking.

Next part...

Fascism > Bolshevism > C*pitalism

Goebbels agrees

Communism because fascism has at least proven that it could prosper a country.

>lack of clean water
>hunger
>curable disease
>malaria
So niggers? Good, the world is better off without them overpopulating their continent, pouring into other countries with proper infrastructure and average IQ above Down's Syndrome levels, and taking up all the gibsmedats until there's nothing left. The world's population is more than high enough as it is, think about what would happen if Africans had enough to eat.

If every country was libertarian, they'd leave each other alone and benefit from their shared prosperity and free trade.

If every country was fascist, the autarky and authoritarianism would lead to some moderate suffering within the nations (especially against political dissidents), but the nations would be content to leave each other alone in peace.

If every country was communist, they'd constantly be killing each other over which version of communism is the "right" one, they'd be killing anyone who disagrees with them politically, and they'd be killing themselves from starvation.

>People dying from lack of clean water
Are talking about africa?
Yeah I heard a bomb went off on the Middle-East too

>If every country was libertarian, they'd leave each other alone and benefit from their shared prosperity and free trade.

Literally no ideology can stop conflict. don't be retarded

Communism is expansionist. Given half the chance theyd take over the entire world forever.
Far cry from "workers rights"

Communists are obsessed with propaganda and censorship. One of their main strategies is to constantly lie. In fact a Communist once told me they didn't understand the point of honesty in delivering their policy to the people. The whole point of politics to them is to decieve the ignorant masses.
Now consider a world competely run by Communists that completely revolves around lying. You get up to go to school to be taught lies. You work for lies, everyone who talks to you lies. Everything is a lie. Then imagine something goes wrong like a food shortage. Well the Communists are so used to lying they will lie about that too.

They are unable to deal with issues in their society because they are too comfirtable with lying and covering it up to address the issue.

>8,000,000 die from lack of clean water
Drinking unclean water is the natural state of humanity, you can thank capitalism for all the water purifiers we have built to allow us to drink clean water

>7,665,000 die of hunger
Usually from socialist hellholes, but regardless you can thank that statistic to the huge population we are enabled to have thanks to capitalism's development in medicine, health, and agriculture.

>3,000,000 die from curable disease
And who developed the cures for those diseases? Oh yes, the capitalists did. Of course, maybe the commies wish we never fixed smallpox, but hey they're regressive like that.

>500,000 die of malaria
An issue that capitalist countries don't have to deal with

Communism is always the worst

Both the puppets of powerful banker jews
equally bad

I said if EVERY country was libertarian, obviously that's never going to happen but theoretically if it did that would be the result.

This is junk.

Finally their ideas are just bad. They are founded on bad illogical concepts. Unable to understand economics and filled with often extremely hateful ideas about people. Any Communist society is doomed to fail because of this alone.

We're in a part of history where capitalism is at its most unbounded and unregulated, and nation states are weaker than ever.
We're also in a point in history where violence and conflict are at an all time low.
I think maybe there's a relation there.

Yeah, becsuse the left has to destroy anything thats functional.

These aren't all the reasons they are bad too but just some objective observations.