Most powerfull country the world has ever seen

> Most powerfull country the world has ever seen
beaten by some rice-shitter.how did they do it?

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Liberal Media.

Stop this meem.

not an argument

But using a meme for your entire argument is?

Modern wars aren't real wars. USA could have made whole Vietnam a crater with nukes but these days you have to fight while holding back and avoiding too many human rights violations.

> caring about human rights
lmao united states of America, more like united dtates of cuckistan.

We abided by the limiting rules of the Geneva Convention, which also restricts rules of engagement. They did not. It's hard to fight with both hands tied behind your back, even against a weaker opponent.

>outdated weapons
That's bullshit because Soviets supplied Vietnamese with their weapons, gears etc.
AK 47 > M16

>beaten by some rice-shitter
>belljun edgeukashun
Bach to Somalia with you.

It's the problem of not having a homogeneous society like yours, is that lots of us have vastly different values. Some people here wouldn't respect human rights, strong majority do.

It's the same with everyone else too, if thing didn't have any backlash Russia would have used a lot more effective bombs in Syria.

Also to add to that. Vietnamese army was trained by Soviet army officers.

ever heard of guerilla warfare? Funny how that works. Britain greatly outnumbered and outpowered america, but we still beat them in the revolution.

also, my family died in that war you libtard, step down with your autistic "le epic pol maymay". go back to rebbit.

sucks to be 60% white huh :DDD

Something tells me they wouldn't win today....

>britain, the most powerful military force at the time is defeated by farming shitters

Indeed.

The Viet Cong didn't win the fucking war, PAVN did, which was a fully modernized army that had billions in weapons dumped on it.

The VC was gutted by the Tet Offensive despite it being a big psychological blow with the media running amok.

The Vietnamese didn't have outdated weapons, just less of them and mediocre logistics. The SKS and AK47 were good rifles and they had plenty of SAMs. US bombers suffered pretty bad losses in bombing of northern cities and industrial centers. They also had material support from the other communists. That said we should have never gotten involved and came out worse than we came in because we weren't prepared to do what was necessary. We were trying to hold land and eventually occupy north Vietnam when we should have been waging a war of annihilation to deny the communists fertile ground for their ideology. That wouldn't have been worth it either of course, since Vietnam wasn't and still isn't particularly consequential

But it's quite literally not an argument.

LOL thats their own fault, should have genocided them while you had the chance, bounds to keep em quiet for a while.

>greatly
According to Google the numbers in your war were pretty close to equal.

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Aw petal, a family member died?

If a member of my family died in the lolocaust I wouldn't tell you to shut up.

This is still wrong, no conventional forces did anything to win the Vietnam war. It was almost entirely a political defeat, where dumbies thought we were losing, that the cost was too high, that the war was immoral and we shouldn't be there. When it came time to step in to help our South Vietnamese ally against the North Vietnamese, who we had utterly beaten and struck a truce with, which they later broke, we did nothing. We let South Vietnamese fall to the superior North Vietnamese army when so much as a concerted air campaign probably would have been enough to keep the SV government in power.

How do you win a war that doesnt exist?

I blame sharting

True, but I did't want to have to argue this ad nauseum.

>inb4 Nigel pops in and says France, Spain, and the Netherlands were whom they actually fought
Lel by that logic we were facing the Soviet Union, China, and the entire Warsaw pact in Vietnam.

> literally defeated at home by some pot smoking faggots.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
how will the US ever recover?? every war they enter after 1945 is a total disaster!

>Liberal Media
Your country got BTFO, don't lie. They used superior tactics and won-- oh wait, sorry.. you guys made a """""strategic retreat""""". My bad.

>and eventually occupy north Vietnam
Not true at all, McNamara and co. were so fucking paranoid about Chinese intervention that they never entertained the idea.

Reunification under a Non-communist state was a pipe dream that only hardliners outside the administration wanted. Rollback was never an option.

An insurgency is a weird thing. You don't need to win, you just need to not lose.

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The media got them to stop fighting to win.

This is partly untrue, because you mistakenly believe that Vietnam doesn't and didn't matter. Vietnam is in fact coming into its own as a strong manufacturing East Asian power. It's taken them a long time to recover from the Vietnam war, but now that they have they definitely have the potential to be a significant power in the region, much like South Korea is today. In fact, this is pretty much the same case that we saw before the Vietnam war. If it hadn't been for us blowing their agricultural and industrial capabilities as well as their infrastructure into oblivion, they very well may be close to the same level as S. Korea today. In fact, the communists who were so interested in Vietnam before the war, became predictably disinterested when they found out that they were bombed into near uselessness afterwards, and would be an effective money-sink for decades, just trying to keep them afloat as a country and to rebuild their industry and agriculture.

Sometime in the next three decades the average person is going to start hearing about how Vietnam is a growing industrial nation that warrants significant attention. Obama already visited their country last year I believe, and spoke at great length about how our relationship was going to continue to strengthen despite our history together in the coming years.

fair enough

I never get tired of it Tbh

what was the last war the united states won? ww2 if that even counts?

EUA: Socialism is always forced on the innocent citizens by dictators, therefore it's an evil ideology that should be exterminated.

Vietnam: Not really, we are VOTING for it

EUA: You can't do that! *attacks*

youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU

Gulf War

>a few hundred

USA completely destroyed north vietnam on the military front, they lost politicaly because the senate (democrat majority) defunded the operation and left south vietnam, without money or aid, to fend for themselves. With chinese and soviet help north vietnam crushed a lone south vietnam quickly.

lol are you saying you didnt help in ww2

forgot about that. any others?

In League of Legends terms, the US spent the whole match playing turtle in the base while commies took all of our towers. Then we just kept sending one lone dude out to split push, and he kept feeding over and over and we never learned our lesson.

We could've won if we all grouped up and pushed down mid into north vietnam, but our presidents were too scared to commit because they didn't want to be called warmongers by the press.

This is the nth time we have posted this thread, we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

A few hundred farmers? What, are you retarded?

>a few hundred farmers

pfft, yeah, that's all it was.

not an argument

>outdated weapons
Bitch please they got the cream of the crop straight from the soviet weaponsmiths.
Vietnam Airforce and SAM sites were feared by Americans.
You are thinking of the vietcong, the guerilla organization of the NVA. But they stopped mattering after the Tet offensive where they lost of 60% of their people

I can tell you're a brainlet just by your picture alone and I'm glad it saved me the time to read your post

They won because it turns out that conventional military tactics are terrible at fighting guerrilla warfare.

>a few hundred
>literally killed millions of them

the US beat themselves. sort of like how when our best chimps go to play for Olympic gold in basketball. they're not playing Latvia, they're playing against their own sense of boredom

I know this is a troll thread but for anyone actually interested in Vietnam I'll answer.

>People think of Vietnam as a guerrilla war but a lot of it wasn't.
>The NVA was a conventional army that was fighting at the border with south Vietnam/America
>Viet Cong was the guerrilla force fighting in the south against America
>The US and allies never lost a major battle
>The NVA launched the Tet offensive on lunar new year with the VC, while there typically was a armistice for the holiday
>The VC and NVA sleepers made quick gains but was very quickly squashed. It was a major loss for the NVA.
>The news in America showed the VC taking the US embassy and the public responded poorly
>America starts to pull out afterwards

It was honestly for the best though. South Vietnam's army was so undertrained and under equipped that the US would of had to spend 20 years garrisoning Vietnam to keep the south in charge and Vietnam would probably be similar to Afghanistan today after the 20 years of guerrilla war.

>Implying that is a bad thing.

Minimum vietnamese killed: 400,000
US killed: 58,315

Oh no we lost so bad damnit

Yeah fuckin right nigger. France started that war and fucking surrendered after asking for help.

Just because a bunch of your citizens aren't human, Belgium, doesn't mean you have to lash out.

Granada

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada

don't know if you can really call these wars Tbh

there have been a handful of various interventions and bombing campaigns against smaller countries/insurgencies that were successful as well.

We haven't really had too many full scale military engagements since WWII. Vietnam was an overwhelming military success, the Gulf War was undoubtedly a complete blowout, Korea was a little embarrassing but understandable considering we were fighting fucking China.(and if you want a demonstration of US military prowess, look at the Chinese vs US casualties) Iraq/Afghanistan were weird because we were never really fighting a real enemy past a certain point(that point being the complete destruction of the legitimate Iraqi and Afghani governments, who we replaced)

This whole thing about the US having a terrible modern military history is kind of a meme, it turns out the biggest country with one of the biggest and definitely most funded militaries in the world is actually really fucking good at war.

I'm amazed at how true this is for me

>Most powerfull country the world has ever seen
>beaten by some rice-shitter
I'm old enough to remember when the rice shitters landed on the beaches of California. I still remember my father pleading with them , promising that he burned his draft card and protested the war. Then I remember then shooting him in the head, and taking me as payment for the bullet. I will never forget the cruelty of Communist Kommisars in the labor camp, where I smuggled manga to learn how to read. It was in those pages that I also learned how to love.

~t. Communist Occupied Burgerland user

Motivation.

USA was motivated by capitalist imperialism Vietnam was motivated by nationalism.

well you didn't win you fat niggers

military success but political failure

it gave the world the image of americans being assholes killing riceshitters
really killed all ur good publicity

You are replying to a poster from a nation that rolled over and sucked German cock within the first 2 weeks of the last 2 yuropeon wars, user.

yeah that's true

I blame the russians

easy, just get the chinks and russians to bankroll the war and even fight it for you in some cases

Define "win", snagletooth inbred.

Aren't brits supposed to be good at banter? We fucked up their shithole country and ours didn't get touched. What a loss!

thanks, now i want to take a moment to be mad: everytime i ask a decent question i get almost zero replies. so now i do a bait post and get tons of (you's). fuck this shit.

we got hippies

let's not downplay our losses, here

we weren't, our k/d in 'nam was genocide levels.
liberal media at home tied our hands behind our backs and we brokered peace between the north and south.
North(commies) later betrayed the agreement and re-invaded the south after we had already left.

Meanwhile Belgium isn't even a country.

Well, the Republic of Vietnam doesn't exist so....not a win.

Is it not obvious then that your "decent" questions just sucked balls then?

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>Belgium

nah, it must be everybody else.

goddamnit belguim

They literally called it off because of little domestic support. That isnt a loss.

What was your serious question?

premium belgium troll

That would fall in Thieu's lap, 3 fucking years after we had gone home. I expected better from the Brits.

The republic of Vietnam was never going to happen without a permanent US military occupation similar to South Korea.

One of the US strengths in the cold war was its isolation from the comm block but that also was a great weakness when the USSR helped coups in their sphere of influence. Like I said earlier though it worked out for the best. I went to Vietnam last year and it's a beautiful country and I had a great time I doubt I could have said the same if they were stuck in a war for an extra 20 years.

>genocided them

about manchuria. it is a pretty unknown region and wanted to know more about it (without wikipedia). Also wanted to know why/if the Qing dynasty was the worst one in chinese history.

So? Cam Ranh Bay is a sweet ass port. We posted garrisons in far shittier places.

Check the flag bro. Also, how is it Thieu's fault that he didn't get aircraft and materiel delivered which he already paid for?

Not a fan of him though, Diem was a lot better and Lodge not pulling his stupid fucking stunt would have changed everything.

Home field advantage and playing defense are a huge factor

At least they chose the right side.

Well there's your problem, Chinese posters don't come on here often. Can't say I know much about it either.

Qing sucked because they got deposed and couldn't modernize. But you already knew that.

Your army is shit goyim, you never could win any war for us. You're useless, that's we're replacing you with that superior warrior gene schwartzas.

>implying France, Spain and the Netherlands didn't win the war for you

Whores don't have a side, they cater to all sorts.
Policy is dictated to the conquered.

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When? And, at what capacity?

>basically a "delet this" counter argument

lol

USA would win in the end, but not before the Vietnamese farmers shoot down half of the F35s.

Slingshot > F35

wrong fuck face - So. Vietnam was another pawn in the Cold War btwn the super powers. The late Soviet Union now the the cucked shit tiered Russian Federation will tell you all about propping up proxy governments & backing them up with concerted air campaigns etc. fyi Vietnam joined the WTO' in 2007' .

1. Not allowed to fully invade all of Vietnam and steamroll the army and infrastructure as was typical in nearly every war before this.

2. Goal was long term occupation of a country that did not adhere to the same standards as western europe after ww2.

3. Ideological transformation of a population and propping up a failing government meant that we were working against the tide of ideas which is a difficult thing to do unless you are willing to total war and do terrible things.


It was by no means a normal war and if it were measured by the same criteria of ww1 or ww2(Defeating the enemy's main army and infrastructure until the state surrenders) we would have won clearly. They were dirt farmers waiting for us to leave and making it costly and unpopular to stay.

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