Did degeneracy, immigration or authoritarianism end the Roman Empire?

Did degeneracy, immigration or authoritarianism end the Roman Empire?

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Dissolution of Roman Empire into Western and Eastern part was the reason why it fell

They bit off more than they could chew, couldn't handle all the barbarian tribes in britain/germany

History is repeating itselft.
Its always the same pattern.

The rise a superior white franks

>yfw the latins became the invaders now

Mexicans are going to rebuild the Roman Empire?

In b4 Christianity did it

Disease and stupid wars (Civil War with Caesar and the war with Carthage) drained their resources and best soldiers which affected their Empire for years to come.

decadence, degeneracy, corruption, and weakness created by christianity.

Degenerate Emperors and the destabilizing effect of nutty Christians.

You can tell it was bound to fall by just looking at those borders.

No, it was a military failure to protect themselves from Germanic tribes + Persia

The Romans were always authoritarian as fuck even in the Republican era.

germanic snow niggers ruined it

you're retarded. The heyday of the EMPIRE came well after those wars

Christianity did and its stupid anti-European anti-white cuckoldry

dumbest post i've read all morning

you're projecting user

>immigration
Germans/Huns brought down the Western Empire
Arabs/Turks brought down the Eastern Empire

> Germany destroys Europe

Preference towards 2D waifus did it.

The Punic Wars happened centuries before the Roman Empire started to decline. The last one ended 100 years before Caesar even was relevant.

Bureaucracy and a failure to modernize mostly.
Rome became successful using a certain formula. They then kept adding on bureaucracy layers on top of that formula and didn't adapt too well to changing times.

The primary downfall came from laws binding people to their land (im bad at explaining this but cba), which meant that stronger estate owners would outcompete the lesser ones and become powerful, and would war on the empire for more power, which lead the roman army to deplete itself over time from all the civil war.
The other primary downfall was the fiat money system they had could not sustain itself. Rome would remelt coins into new ones with less silver, which they then used to make more coins. At a point coins wouldn't be able to be melting down further, so the empire couldn't sustain its economy either.

All in all they kept to the winning formula and failed to adapt to changing times, and the reforms they did followed the old way of thinking, and thus were not very effectful, even damaging some of the time.

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Immigration and degeneracy. What really happened was the military got so cucked that Romans stopped joining it to the point where it was more viable to protect the gates with paid mercenaries of Gemranic decent.

You lose military ethos and you lose everything.

Civil wars, oligarchy, overextension, usury and corruption to the list.

They basically bankrupted their own state paying for free bread and various gladiator games and other public programs instead of the military. When their military got defeated at Adrianople they had nothing to fall back on to pay for rebuilding another military. Of course if this was Republic era Rome tons of soldiers would have volunteered for free for the sake of survival, however this was Imperial Welfare state multicultural Rome that had less Romans and more non-Romans and slaves and people that had no hereditary allegiance to the state. At that point Roman culture had been in freefall for ages given that they could not replace soldiers in the legion with full blooded Romans and had to instead opt for barbarians that could betray them at any moment and who did just that. That's your basic gestalt.

We all know it was immigration. At some point Romans were no longer Roman, seems familiar... You know that thing about history repeating itself, it is right.

History student here
Roman Empire fell by means, that original population was far from being dominant compared to others, Romans weren´t reproducing enough to administer the Empire. So famous Roman legion were mainly composed of Germanic mercenaries, who were only loyal to the generals, who paid them in gold.

Also, original nobility was poisoning itself by storing their liquids in lead storages, which resulted in lesser inteligence in future generations. So, no generals loyal to Rome as a city.

Foreign generals weren´t happy, when they didn´t get paid and so there was an era, when generals could march into Rome and claim the title of the Roman Empire.

(Apologies for the long text, I was banned for a whole month.)

>What really happened was the military got so cucked that Romans stopped joining it to the point where it was more viable to protect the gates with paid mercenaries of Gemranic decent.

There may have been plenty of Italians/Greeks willing to fight but they were far from the frontier.

Late Romans recruited from frontier provinces because that was where all the legionary bases were.

Also this: Romans lost their identity. The Empire became focused around lots of mini-Romes rather than Rome itself.

Due to shitty policies in the later era of the empire, civil wars were pretty much constant.
It wasn't so much that the Roman army was "cucked", it was more that their fiat money system was starting to fail, so they couldn't pay their mercenaries. And also from being at war literally all the time, the amount of able men for military duty was not enough to replenish the ranks in the end, which is why they suddenly imploded, they literally had no military left.

whos the roman empire?

>cucks couldnt even hold persia

Greeks confirmed best empire

Endless war destroyed it.

>discontent population
>sacrifice of its best men
>increased vulnerability to several threats, like mass immigration.

Quite right, Romans were mainly colonising the frontier and made the barbarians there accept their culture.

You mixed it up, immigration and degeneracy lead to the fall of the REPUBLIC the EMPIRE lasted long after that but it was entirely authoritarian. Rome fell later because of the schism, and the endless hordes of barabarians, Attila, and Carthage.

Immigration/thread

Conquering was the source of power, they needed to gain new lands in order to gain authority and prestige to be respected as rulers.

Rome had the longest era of uninterrupted peace in western history though.

He probably means you.
The US is still following the same formula which saw their original success. They haven't adapted well enough for were the world is now, which is why you see their foreign influence vane, their debt rise with infrastructure diminished.
Trump is basically like the germanics who ended Rome: come in with a totally new system to replace the old failing one.

that happened centuries before Diocletian separated the empire

dumb dumb

Oh please, Burger, Carthage was long gone, Atilla was long dead, when Western Empire fell. The Schism was necessary, but well, Christianity in itself basically got people to have an excuse to not murder the other Christians. Army wasn´t loyal, so they fell.

Rome was always authotsrian, letting Germanics in was there biggest mistake but degeneracy was the reason they were willing to sympathise with Germanics in the first place, Tacitus was complaining of degeneracy centuries before Rome collapsed

Which is also why they started declining. Romes decline started 300 years before it actually fell, that's how strong the empire was, but it never adapted well enough to change, and so in the end it ended up with so many problems that they drowned in them.

They basically conquered all the land of the Mare Nostrum and fertile lands of Europe, so they didn´t need to go up to mountains, into deserts or into cold north, they got everything, so they stopped. (Also instability)

The Crisis of the Third Century probably did the most significant damage

Shills are bad enough. But they are intentionally spreading disinformation and trying to change notions (with various success).

The uninformed or misinformed who are anxious to dump the less-than -accurate information online probably do more to contribute to widespread ignorance.

Without the likes of people like you, we may be understanding ancient Roman history less accurately.

Thanks for the correction

the roman empire quite possibly still exist in form of the EU. iirc the roman empire always had a political leader, often from somewhere around todays germany, and a spiritual/religious one from rome/vatican. the EU references charlesmagne/charles the great quite a lot which was on of the leaders of the roman empire.

further more there are some interpretations stating the last pope will be evil and a false prophet. now there are rumors around franziskus being a childtrafficer, and even the doves of peace he released were attacked by ravens which pretty much seems like an omen to me. if he is the last one you will know i was right.

another thing i that the antichrist is said to rise in the same time, probably also from somewhere around germany. so is it merkel or schultz? maybe even trump with his german heritage, or someone completely new we dont have on our radar yet?

Makes little sense. The Holy Roman empire was formed to be a "new" Roman empire. There is no continuity between Rome and the Holy Roman empire.

The EU is a continuation of the HRE if it is anything, not of Rome.

The Roman Empire was always multicultural

>ITT self-absorbed morons do OP's homework for him

I have a doubt about immigration. At that time it was not easy to travel, especially from Africa. Plus, there was absolutely no reason to migrate. At best the shitskins were slaves but once again it would have been cheaper to bring Gauls than Africans.
All in All I don't think that the Empire was submerged by non Europeans.

>They bit off more than they could chew, couldn't handle all the barbarian tribes in britain/germany
They held germany for centuries, that's an epic failure of integration.

all three

Ok Im going to list a bunch of shit that pretty much collapsed it

hang on its a long ist

Degeneracy. The fall of the traditional family led to the fall of of the empire.

Yeah, since they annexed other Italic tribes.

Well, a woman before the fall of Rome could divorce quite easily, as she said it so. Christianity returned the role of the genders back into its original shape and made morals great again.

iirc Rome (the city) ensured all citizens were fed, so lots of people traveled there to live because they didn't have to think about getting food. Not sure if this is accurate or not though.

and Greeks

Half of the Roman army pretty much always had come from their Italian allies. There was a patron-client relationship between the general and the soldier long before the barbarians joined the ranks. Because of this the soldiers were mainly loyal to the general, who in turn would try to pass land reforms to grant land for his soldiers.

I never understood how the cities and villas (other than pompeii for obvious reasons) ended up completely covered in dirt. Like, pompeii is a given cause it's understood that it was drowned in volcanic ash, but what about the british people who are digging a well and just stumble upon a huge roman villa complete with penis mosaics and all? Does that mean when the us crumbles, all of the concrete skyscrapers and marble capitol buildings will end up covered in dirt?

If yellowstone blows up yeah probably, but that's a chance compared to the infrastructure just collapsing or nukes

How about slaves? Romans imported slaves mainly from Egypt and the Middle East (that´s why they´re so dark skinned today)

>Christianity

The civilization cycle ended the Roman Empire.
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Let's not forget about Feminism

The point I was trying to make was, that once they stepped out of Rome they became multicultural, because even their neighbours were quite distinct.

god buried them

Indeed, Christianity restored gender roles and made it so, that the woman should not be able to divorce her husband as easily as she did during final days of Rome.

>being this ignorant and trying to post
Or it's very advanced bait

Degeneracy, by the end the immigrants were the only ones in the legions, they weren't loyal to Rome and turned when the money ran out, but without them they would have fallen to the other babarians centuries prior, once Roman citizens lost their sense of duty to Rome the end was inevitable.

i have to look deeper into it some time for sure, but didnt overtake the holy roman empire aspects of the roman empire? it maybe was said to be something entirely new, but so was the EU.

All of it traced back to expansionism, which was glorified by Caesar. It went from upholding the ideals the republic was founded on, to finding more ways to expand their boarders. That's what opened their asshole up so wide.

The Huns were BTFOing the Goths so badly that they were begging the Romans to let them settle on their side of the Danube river.

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1. Divorce and career womyn
2. Taxes waaay too high on land
3. Everything expensive as well bc farmers couldnt into farm bc land taxes forced them off the land
4. Trajan and other "good" emperors made disastrous invasions into remote places like Dacia and Mesopotamia which led to serious multi front wars
5. this led to army increased 5 times the sieze it was originally hence the txes.
6. Last Roman emperor or one of the last to persecute Christians turns Rome into an economically Toltalitarian state to fix food and land prices and more, command and control
7. Military in charge of all economic activity and private business managed by state.
8. They don't see need to make art any more because "it's expensive and inefficient" even though that's what helps sell the goods
9. Same emperor or another like him creates an Indian tier caste system to stop farmers and Aristocreats from selling their land and fleeing to monasteris
10. Birth rates collapse
11. Barbarians come in as literal refugees (same meme today) and take land from hardworking Roman people
12. Romans refuse and fight back and the barbarians invade in response
13. Army is very expensive hired german mercenaries
14. German mercenaries revolt and butcher Roman command.
15. Savage collapse literally everywhere
16. Persia invades later at some point too
17. Roman persecution of the Church stops sometime before hand with Constantine must choose between east and west Rome to stop collapse
17. He chooses the east bc of Persian menace, more Christianized (who liked to guy even though sorta on the fence) also Christians more willing in east to follow traditional family values since they are more zealous than the west. So they obey law more. And other various reasons including maintaining nice infrastructure and connection with eastern trade routes.
18. East Rome saved as most dedication from elites and lower class alike to preserve it.
19. Germans invade Rome. They were Arian heretics, some ok other bad

You.

The immigrants were from Germany not Africa (although the vandals did take some land in North Africa whcih they managed for a decade or so before they sacked Rome).

was there local/small government scattered throughout the empire?

The HRE was an attempt at creating a new Roman empire, but it had none of the original bureaucracy/political structure. The Roman empire and its entire political structure was completely destroyed, all that remained was its legacy.

This, also military power diluted into mercenary units. Loyal to the empire to an extent but completely incapable of policing provinces like the old legions of Rome could. Immigration was due to a lack of military repellent. Authoritarianism would have been able to keep the empire running if it wasn't shoving out more money than it was taking in.

Its not in order chronologically but

it was basically like this. This is off te topof my head without doubel checking details but it was basically this meme and even more bc it was godamn complicated. Really really complicated.

Like really stupidly longer list is needed for this
or you can just take this

>it was the jews

german immigration

just like the HRE was, and it reemerged quite possibly with the EU.

but i dont know much about the political structure though

This. The only place where the Empire was still waging wars of aggression was around Syria/Mesopotamia, the only fertile and useful lands not yet under their control.

Even if this was true, how the Africans could have know it? How a black shepperd could have imagine that it was a good idea to abandon everything and travel across half the planet to get nothing but what he already had? It doesn't make sense.

Slaves are supposed to be cheap.

The Empire was submerged by Europeans (Germanic tribes) who were fleeing the Huns, or just doing what tribes periodically did around that time : move around to look for better land.

SHIT

Fucking checked

The skyscrapers are architecturally worthless anyway, plus there will be no one to maintain them and power them, so they will be unusable.
Ok. I thought you implied that Roman was never an ethnicity and the gene pool, at least in the surrounding area, was the same. Now this shit is truly debatable since some of the fairy tales claim even that Romans were descendants of Trojan refugees, but it's hard to make a point out of this. Culturally though, it's certain that Romans were different from other Italic tribes, so multiculturalism indeed was there at the earliest of the stages.

Authoritarianism is what made the empire strong.

I dont want some Greek Orthodox no Roma shit going on here so let it be known that Imperator Justinian wrote Constantinople's laws IN LATIN and he spoke LATIN.
Ok? Plenty of latins in Constaintinople ok?

Think about today, not all the africans are coming here, just the ones trying to get gibsmedats. Same would apply back then: those who sought the easy way out would try to look for an easy way out, the easy way out being going to Rome. As to how they would know, likely everything before the fax/telephone etc: word of mouth, rumours etc

Not in France afaik.

This.

A bad cocktail of all these things. You can see the same happening to the west now.

You are their puppets/vassals.
NATO = USA and their minions.
You know its true.

Until Justinian, the Eastern Empire was still very much Roman in many aspects.
It didn't last long though. The Byzantine Empire after 800 AD had nothing in common with the old Roman Empire anymore.

There were no immigrants, there were only slaves mainly from Egypt and Mesopotamia, Germanic people served as mercenaries.

It was hellenized. And justinian wasn't the last Emperor to speak latin and use the laws which were codified in latin. Can't remember who but yeah it did become less Roman after many centuries

Slaves were cheap, because they weren´t rightful citizens.

It was called the Migration Period for a reason.