What do you think of Marine LePen economic program?

I think nobody knows about her program. I will translate for our english bros!

34: Give subsidies to deindustrialise France again!
>Well, we have seen how efficient the French state is for investing! Why not just lower taxes for everybody?

35: Help French companies by using a 'smart' protectionism and using again Franc instead of Euro for the national currency.
>Why not! Just simple reminder: French economy is currently based on some big corporation such as Total, Peugeot, etc. who are making their money abroad. All domestic companies are fucked thanks to taxes. So yeah, why not just killing our only income by starting trade wars.

36: Forbid foreign products that doesn't respect French standards
>I agree, many French companies has to deal with strict regulations that foreign companies don't follow.

37: Public bidding should be given to French companies
> Good proposition

38: Forbid "travailleurs détachés" and put a tax on foreign people working in France to give an incentive to hire French people.
> Good one

39: Protect strategic and growing sectors by controlling foreign investment. Creating a public fund to invest and protect French companies from hostile take-overs
>Commie as fuck. Already done for strategic sectors.

40: Create a minister to anticipate new work evolutions such as Uber, automatisation of industry, sharing economy (AirBnb, etc.) and regulate them in order to keep a 'fair competition'
>LOL! Isn't better to let free market and consumers decide?

41: Forbid selling to a foreign company during 10 years if a company has received public subventions. Help strategic sectors. Increase by 30% public research budget.
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42: Create a big minister with a big strategic plan to develop French maritime ressources.
>Well, I guess the state has to be involved in each industrial sector, or we would not be a commie state.

43: Fix the budget by removing welfare to foreigners and subventions to EU.
>15B$ to EU, 1B$ for medical expenses to foreigners. But we have a 70B$ deficit each year and we are already taxed as fuck. And she is increased government expenses, so I really doubt she can keep this one.

44: Simplification of administrative paperworks for small companies. Recognise painfulness of work (with a system I didn't understand with doctors) by giving early retirement.
>well...

45: To create jobs, she lowers administrative paperworks created once you have your 50th employee.
>why not simply for every companies? French administration is shit, why not simply it?

46: reduce employee and employer contributions for small business
>would like to see what she is doing exactly, but why not, we need it. Except that every politician has said this and had never done anything.

47: Business tax to 24% instead of 33% for PME (companies with less than 50employees, and making a turnover less than 43MM€)

48: Make compulsory the state to pay companies on time (and stop paying with delays)
>well it is common sense

49: For small and very small company, help access to credit thanks to the French public bank

50: Divide by 2 the maximum legal rate of interests for loans (currently 22% I guess, so it would be 11%) and "aggios" (when you are under hahahaha. Tell me she's not a commie.

all of this sounds familiar....

Seems like Socialism, but only for Nationals..

52: Retirement at 60years old after working 40years (recent reforms have put this to 62 years)
>Well I guess it will help the budget lol. In France, current workers pay the retirement of current retirees. You don't save money for yourself. And in this system, my retirement will be paid by future workers.

53: Remove the El Khomri bill (which made simpler to lay off somebody)
> Well I guess we are going back to the time where it was easier to divorce than to lay off a full-time worker.

54: nothing of interest (really complex to explain to a non-French), just lowering taxes for some people again

55: Give higher family allocations only to French families (Currently, the State gives you 250$/month for each child you have in France, whether you are a foreigner or a French).

56: Allows to give more money to your children without being taxed (100k€ each 5years without tax instead of 15 currently)
>Good proposition

57: Reform the RSI (social security for small business owners). This is a big big big shit with many problems.
>Macron offered to delete it. Now all politicians are talking about it.

58: Higher retirement benefits for those who have never worked
>Fuck them, they didn't work, no retirement

59: Welfare for people making less than 1500eur/month
>FYI, 70% of the population are making less than 1700eur/month

60: Reduce by 5% gas and electricity prices
>lol, fucking commie, who's going to pay?

61: remove some european regulations on banks that can take money from saving accounts if there is a financial crisis

62: Fight company owners who are making collusion on prices. (why not!) Forbid the construction of any supermarkets until an audit is done.
>hahaha. Tell me she's not a commie!

The problem with Le pen is that she refuses to gas the fucking kikes.

Why can't based Henry win?

63: Keep the legal weekly working time of 35h/week (we were at 39 in 2000 and the switching to 35 by socialist has fucked the economy). You can work more if you are paid for each hour worked (didn't understand, it was already the case)

64: remove taxes on overtime work and employers have to pay more (after 35h/week).
> She put back a law of Sarkozy, which was removed by socialists

Lol is she a Jew?
Even somebody who hates France would not damage so much the economy!

These digits

Wait a minute...

Idk, nobody believes me when I say she's a fucking commie!

>voting for a cunt

You know better France
Don't vote for a socialist

I will bump you for your work and your digits !
Since when Sup Forums supports a commie candidate? Even (((Bernie Sanders))) wasn't so extreme !

That sounds like some fucking commie shit to me. And Le Pen is supposed to be the most conservative candidate?

To give you an example, I am an engineer from a top French school (equivalent of an Ivy League).

My contract says 42k€/year. My boss has to pay 60k€/year due to employer contributions. Due to employee contributions, I only earn 31.5k€/year. These contributions are mandatory and pay for unemployment benefits, healthcare and retirement. Then, I have to pay income tax, leaving me 27k€/year in Paris, where renting is 12k€/year. I still have to pay a housing tax (1-2k€/year). We also have a 20% tax on product, and special tax for gasoline (we pay 5.3€/gal for diesel and 5.9€/gal for gasoline). And this makes me on the top 10% richer in France

Why not just quit your job and live off of unemployment benefits?

Basically, she's as anti-capitalist as any frog. This is basically all dogshit.

ITT: people don't realise how far-left France is

This is sanders-tier shit, but you have to understand just how socialist France is

Nope, in France we have for this election:

Jean-Luc Mélanchon (Communist): a fucking commie who has almost the same economic program than LePen, but he is more open on diversity and taking refugees, etc.
>Polls gives him 11% for first round

Benoit Hamon (Socialist): who has still no program, but is less extreme on economy (but he is willing to give more welfare) but is like Mélanchon for social issue (taking refugees, etc.)
>Polls gives him 13% for first round

Emmanuel Macron (Centrist): He is a former Rothschild M&A banker. He is quite progressive and wants to reform the administrative hell we have in France. As a minister, he had some riots due to a bill he made to make simpler to lay off a worker (it is more simpler to divorce than lay off a full-time worker in France). People likes him because he is new and that all other competitors are 30+ yo politicians and he wants to make some reforms on economy. Left people call him an 'Ultra Liberal' (which is worse than being a communist in France for leftists).
>Polls give him 23%

François Fillon (Right): He wants to simply economy and he wants to stop deficit. He had a scandal with Penelope Gate so he is behind Macron right now. He is the conservative candidate let's say! Personally, I will vote for him.
>Polls give him 21%

Marine LePen (Right-Wing): Well, you have seen her economic program. She is also nationalist.
>Polls gave her 26% during first round.


So basically, in France, two best candidate go for a second round, and then the President is elected.
So according to polls, second round is going to be LePen vs. Fillon or LePen vs. Macron, and in any case it is going to be a 60-65% for Fillon or Macron during the second round, making one of these two the next French president.

Ok, I'm high. How is this bad? I mean, it is a little give out more but there was focus on helping small industry and getting migrants off of the system. Doesn't seem horrible.

She's nationalist, which means she cares about France, not necessarily about making Mr. Shekelstein the most money.

Sometime I just believe I should do this! But I am more thinking about going to UK or US.

Unemployment benefit gives you 85% to 65% of you old salary up to 2years. Basically, for each day worked you earn a day of unemployment and after 6 months worked you can ask for it. So if I work during 1 year, I can get a full year of unemployment with 70% of my old salary.

How thick is your french accent? Is it thick like a waitress with the twirly beard?

Yeah, she's just going to increase (((debt))) and take money from Mr. Shekelstein.

This is hilarious. We baited the whole continent into going full economic populist while killing our own populist party so we could remain the only competitive economy as we leave the EU. Hate all you want but the tories are the cleverest of them all.

What happened to 1 through 33? Also, can you provide a link, please. I can read French and am curious. Thanks.

Subsidies, a 35-hour work week, an entire ministry to anticipate economic developments and make sure they get regulated, public banks, make it hard to fire people, more welfare, price controls, controlling supermarket construction.

tl;dr she almost makes Bernie Sanders look like a Republican.

The Eternal Anglo strikes again. Aren't you guys becoming a tax shelter or something like Singapore?

Not strong. I was sent to the US for a 6-week business trip during my internship, and I had no problem speaking with people. I don't really have a strong accent. But the issue is more on working visa, which I believe Trump is going to restrict (at least you are lucky to have a pragmatic guy fighting for your country)!

marine2017.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/projet-presidentiel-marine-le-pen.pdf

It is not on economy, but more on "liberty" and security.

>Aren't you guys becoming a tax shelter or something like Singapore?
That's supposed to be the plan if they don't give us a good deal. But this can only work if the conservatives get a comfortable majority in the next GE

I think I read a news on a EU note to negotiators saying that we have to suck your dick and help you and the City or Europe is going to be damaged.

Didn't Labor just shit the bed and lose some areas that had voted for them since the 20s? You guys will probably get it.

Is she cutting off refugees completely?

Yep, sometimes I just wish we would have a media such as FOX with their conservative views.

To give you an example, France is basically this:

*56% of GDP is made by the public sector
*With all these taxes (basically I think 60-70% are going to diverses taxes), we are raising 330B$ for the budget and we are spending 400B$, making a 70B$ each year. We have currently 2000B$ of debt (almost 100% of GDP).
*Nobody talks about this problem except Fillon, and a lot of journalist are attacking him because he wants to "destroy our privileges our ancestors have fought for"

Tbh we will have to wait and see. I think the EU is playing a double game. Sometimes they say they will fuck us up then turn around the next day and say they want a fair deal for everyone etc.

Labour is dead. UKIP too and I'm kind of glad since they hinted going full economic retard lately so yea the tories can win by a landslide if they don't fuck things up until then

Almost sure she does. Perhaps also Fillon (not sure for him). But in fact wee don't have much refugees. France is so shitty on an economic point of view than even refugees don't want to stay here. The ones we have are all in Calais, wishing to go to UK.

Remind to say that Fillon is Sup Forums candidate, not Le Pen ! Don't use même energy to help this commie of Le Pen

60-70% of my salary is going to diverses taxes*

wi wi. I'm gonna have to research this more, I'm not sure where I'm swingin'. There's been a good argument but the memes have been tellin me LePen.

Christfag here, what are Le Pen's policies on gay "marriage" and on abortion, compared to the other candidates?

Brexit itself was fuckup, wasn't it? So it's very possible.


Not mentioned, but I'm sure she is. And one of her points is to tax all foreign workers at French companies to incentive the hiring of French citizens instead. That'd work for about two weeks then they'd get fucked up the ass to their intestines by the resulting labor shortage.

I heard somewhere that French college students dream of becoming civil servants/bureaucrats for the nice salaries and benefits and lax work culture, is that accurate?

>We have currently 2000B$ of debt (almost 100% of GDP).

That's actually not bad, or at least pretty typical for developed-world nations, we're even worse IIRC, and Japan is at something like 200% GDP national debt.

Wow she sounds like somebody else this board circlejerks over, what's the big deal

Dumbass. You have no intuition for what is wrong with socialism. First see USSR, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Brazil, Argentina, Maoist China, and all other socialist countries. They are RUINED by these policies which sound correct to soft minded idiots.

Don't let this kind of shit fool you. Socialism is the easiest way to ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people who should be living wealthy lives.

Fuck Sanders. Fuck LePen. Fuck Socialists and Communists.

Because French fags are leftist, don't fall for the meme ! When I will have sometime, I will start a new treat with also Fillon economic program !

My only hope is that Le Penn would hold EU as ransom in order to push the globalists to the curb and return some of the rights the states lost back.

Yes, I believe destroying the EU would be catastrophic, but right now the globalist morons are pushing for a super state that no one but they want.

Japan has most of his debt held by domestic (around 90% of debt is held by Japanese). France debt is held at 60% by foreigners.
We were around 800B$ in 2007.

I'm not reading all this shit about some irrelevant islamic shithole. I'm gonna guess it's a lot of big govt. shit though, because gubmint programs is all western yurop peons are capable of legislating. You dumbfucks will continue to have lower wages and higher unemployment as long as you have socialist fucks in charge, regardless of whether they lean towards globalism or nationalism. Enjoy your inevitable grecian collapse with a muslim twist. I'll be over here enjoying my six figure income and warm southern weather

Lucky, I can barely speak in your language.

You guys just pity me and switch to English.

I can read and listen, just can't talk.

On her official program, she wrote nothing. but from what I heard she wants to label gay mariage a "civic union". And for abortion, she wants to make nothing but her nephew (Marion Maréchal-Le Pen) wants to stop the funding of abortion (she is considered as more extremist).

>60%

Gonna need a source on this, sounds like the claim that US debt is all held by China, but turns out to be way out of context.

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Sorry, it is in French
lefigaro.fr/economie/le-scan-eco/dessous-chiffres/2015/09/30/29006-20150930ARTFIG00203-qui-detient-la-dette-de-la-france.php

Basically, it says that French debt is held by:
*19% by French insurance companies
*10% by French banks
*5% by others (French)
*2% by OPCVM (too long to explain, but is French)
*64% by non-French residents

So in fact it was 64%, not 60%

Well it is already good, considering how French is hard to learn due to many rules and exceptions.

Ok well how about free market and some type of general welfare. How about everyone gets $1,000 dollars a month for basic income.

Interesting, thx.

That's a pathetically low UBI.

and? It's something. Enough to keep you alive if you really use it well.

Gives 1000$/month to everybody and inflation is just going to make you can't buy anything with 1000$ on the long term.

We had this in France where government decided to give "housing welfare" (basically if you were poor you could get 200 eur/month to pay your rent -- in France, except for Paris, you can rent something for 500-600eur/month).

Basically what happened ? It costs 18B$ of taxpayers money each year (all our taxes combined are 330B$ each year) and in 5 years, rent were 200eur/month higher, changing nothing to the initial situation to poor people and making housing more expensive for those without welfare.

So yeah this kind of idea is good on the short-term, not really on a long-term.

what if gave out basic income, but also made projects that included federal housing and food and necessities that always stayed at a set price

Friedman proposed something like this, and I think it may be necessary once automation reaches a certain level. The caveat is that a) it likely will fuck with the inflation rate and b) other entitlement programs would have to be eliminated. So the $1k would cover food, medical expenses, housing, ect. Still doubt it would work long term anyway. Once automation takes over a majority of jobs then population control or straight darwinism are the only realistic options

And here we start a commie nation !

And here we start a commie nation !
What do you think we have done in France ? And basically we have 5 millions unemployed and 3millions on welfare (if you are more than 25yo in France you can get 500eur/month if you have no job) for 23 millions people working (and these numbers include 6 millions working in the public sector !)

Forget UBI. It is dumb buzz on the internet. We don't need it now and it's uncertain we ever will. The existing means-tested welfare system is working fine, and it is already generous.

What we need to do is not make utterly stupid mistakes like having the government set the price of gasoline and douse innovators like Uber to protect horrible industries like taxis. It is so much easier for the government to fuck up by meddling than to ever improve anything with regulatory burden. This is why Trump smartly promises to remove 2 regulations for every 1 added.

you are retarded

also watching french politics from here is pretty comfy

Didn't 75% of your country reject UBI because it is completely fucking obvious that we don't need it?

IMMIGRANTS RAUS !!!

my neighborhood is going to shit

niggers are now walking their pitbulls on the sidewalk with 20' leashes

chasing off other people and attacking their dogs