I'm new to Sup Forums, but looking through here it seems a lot of you are either ancap, statist capitalist...

I'm new to Sup Forums, but looking through here it seems a lot of you are either ancap, statist capitalist, or libertarian.

I would like to know, however, what is your guys opinions on anarcho-syndicalism. Especially a la Spain 1936.

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slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/03/reactionary-philosophy-in-an-enormous-planet-sized-nutshell/
youtube.com/watch?v=kB_m5-xBy0Q
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kys

I'm a Thomas Sowellist/Milton Friedmanist

youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZPg6kOBkc

but it will never happen. we are all cucked by socialism.

Anarchists are worthless shit.
A bunch of stupid children who can't deal with rules.
Their opinions and ideas should be given the same consideration as a child's because that is what they are politically.

Isn't that the dream?

But, no, I rather people answer my question first.

die commie

Heil Hitler, and I hope you have a fun helicopter ride

also it's hilarious how campus marxist groups always say "socialism is so much better" when they are actually living under socialism, and actively oppose anyone who wants to get rid of that socialism (Trump, Bush, Kennedy, Regan)

It's a meme ideology that could never really work. Socialism needs a big centralized state to work, and don't tell me that syndicalism is any different from socialism. It's not.

True, and socialists/marxists are teenagers, politically.

Adults, (not measured by the number of times you have travelled around the sun, but how much knowledge you have accrued) are conservative.

I'm a nationalist with social tendencies, but only for my people, not for others.
You can call me nazi if you want.

I am ok with Ancap or Libertarian. But others anarchists are just SJW shit/rebel shit who think they are cool. Anarchism, despite its ideals never acheived and never will acheive anything.

I agree that statist socialism has pretty much fucked everything up, but I believe if we can remove the statist part it can still be salvaged.

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with you position (I'm no expert on politics or economics, I just have my ideals), but I'll watch the video and perhaps I'll come back to you.

I think you've confused anarchists position against statism as an aversion to rules. Anarchist to hold certain values of governance because its necessary for a society to exist.

An ideology more dead than fascism.

>Adults, (not measured by the number of times you have travelled around the sun, but how much knowledge you have accrued) are conservative.
But why are most in academia and STEM liberal?

As a moderate I am fine with you have a "Fuck you I got mine attitude." But dont piss on me and call it rain.

Faggots who don't have a clue about anarcho sindicalism and his relationship with Franco, kys

I won't deny that syndicalism is different from socialism, especially when a lot of anarcho-syndicalist view it simply as a path to anarcho-communism, but the reason I brought up Spain is because it kind of has a precedent for working, at least more than any other socialist system.

For what its worth, George Orwell liked it.

Enlighten us then

>But why are most in academia and STEM liberal?
Not at my uni. Only the Sociology half-baked intellectuals are marxists, and they are a very small minority. UQ reporting in.

Anyone in Economics is obviously a capitalist because they learned enough to come to the conclusion that socialism will never work because it physically, financially, however you want to put it, cannot work.

>"Fuck you I got mine attitude."
Theres' nothing wrong with that, but unfortunately, the reason you may feel reluctant to take market risk is complety rational, and natural under these (socialist/regulated) circumstances.

market regulation has made it virtually impossible for most working class to take a financial risk, such as starting a business, because the barrier to entry is too high, and the tax rate is prohibitive. Why risk your life savings, house, anything (your "mine") to earn such a slim profit margin. To tie it in with an argument against marxism/socialism, this is precisely why socialist policies exasperate the very inequality that they claim would evaporate under a socialist utopia. Only the people who were in at the very beginning of a socialist revolution have any chance in hell of getting a decent opportunity at success. Everybody else is hung out to dry. This is why socialist systems, when put into practice, rely on a peasant class.

Anarcho syndicalism is like fascism but instead of having a centralized state proclaim a sort of "gremial/guild system" government. Basically they were Falange and supported Franco's nationalcatholicism.

Spain be like: "I'm gonna be fascist and get away with it."

>Anyone in Economics is obviously a capitalist because they learned enough to come to the conclusion that socialism will never work because it physically, financially, however you want to put it, cannot work.

This, literally one of the first things you learn in economics is scarcity and why it will always exist and why it is the "basic economic problem"

The anarcho-syndicalism of Spain seemed to accomplish at least some things.

I just think statism has fucked up so much on both the socialist and capitalist side that I think some form of anarchy is really the only true response.

Also, from a certain perspective Ancap and Ansoc aren't necessarily that different. Perhaps take a look at this: simpleliberty.org/treatises/anarcho.htm

HI IM NEW HEAR BUT U MAY HALF TALKED TO ME BEFORE ON OTHER PROXIES

>either ancap, statist capitalist or libertarian

Jesus, how new?

fellow ausbro, what uni do you go to?

Idk, I don't believe in anarchy, I have a few ancap friends (on the level "Where we are going we don't need roads" and "Nanomachines son"), and I can respect their opinions, but they truly despise you and others anarchisms.

And about hating capitalism and socialism. So do I. But I think we should give more power to the state to protect its people from both.

Pretty new. The ancap comes mostly just from what I hear in other parts of the internet, the statist capitalist comes from the whole trump thing, and libertarian because of what appears to be a leave me alone attitude at least some of you seem to have.

Really most of what I know is from other parts of the internet calling all of you rascist, trump supporting, fascist, nazi, etc, etc, etc people. I assume they are at least partially wrong, so I came here to learn.

>But why are most in academia and STEM liberal?
Because during the cold war, the KGB actively engaged in ideological subversion and one of the primary targets were the schools and universities.

Further more, what you call "liberal" and those in America who self identify as liberal are so ideologically confused that they actively campaign against liberal philosophy, group rights (feminism, LGBT, BLM etc.) over individual rights, Anti free market laws (such as forcing people to sell and make dick cakes for homosexuals, rather than letting the demand create new business opportunities) and more governmental control.

Pretty new. The ancap comes mostly just from what I hear in other parts of the internet, the statist capitalist comes from the whole trump thing, and libertarian because of what appears to be a leave me alone attitude at least some of you seem to have.

Really most of what I know is from other parts of the internet calling all of you rascist, trump supporting, fascist, nazi, etc, etc, etc people. I assume they are at least partially wrong, so I came here to learn.

I went to ANU, graduated 8 years ago.

>The irony of that image
What is the fair share of the workers value that is stolen by the capitalist?

>I'm new to Sup Forums
You should lurk more before making threads about the culture of the board

How does an anarcho-syndicalist society deal with someone like the Batman?

Giving power to the state can be such a tricky thing to do without messing up. But that's not really an argument that can be solved in a board, really.

>anarcho-syndicalism.
more like "retarded commie corporativism"

In can only end in blood! =D

I agree, but with the state, it's either total win, or total defeat.

I just had a question for Sup Forums and wanted it answered. I may have made a statement that was wrong, but that's what discussion is for, right?

You're making a claim about the culture of this board while simultaneously admitting that you haven't done the research to understand it properly, literally just lurk moar.

Sup Forums is like a virus
First you just lurk, to learn moar.
Then before you realize it, you became full white supremacist.
The board eat your soul a bit more each time you see a post.

I will, don't you worry. But also, a question: In your opinion what IS the most common political ideology of the board?

I will say that the board has opened my mind to the manipulation that has been forced upon me through the public school system, liberal media, etc, but white supremacy as a political ideology still doesn't seem to be a viable option in the current political climate, at least in America today. Identity politics is losing, and that includes the voices from the right that claim to oppose cultural marxism.

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meme
it's a valid ideology
or common hatred and enjoyment of shitposting

True. I should have realized that. I too am a meme and shitposting advocate. At least sometimes.

Nationalism in various forms ranging from civic nationalism to national socialism.

>what IS the most common political ideology of the board?
Man, you have some nice gets ITT. Sup Forums is fundamentally a libertarian board, and not the false libertarianism that you see today in mainstream American politics, but a true libertarianism not too dissimilar to Ron Paul. Libertarians have dropped the ball in that they believe we can have both open borders and a welfare state, which are completely incompatible. Any white supremacy that is seen here is either ironic or perpetrated by stormfags that have infiltrated the community. Not to say there aren't clear differences between races, manifested through IQ differences and otherwise, but ultimately personal freedom and the rights of Nations to protect their culture and identity is paramount.

fuck off commie

depending on the time of day it varies from meme, as the frog said, to anarcho NEETism.
lurk before posting you fucking idiot and you'd have your answer.

More seriously I think we can sort 3 main ideologies here
Nationalists (from all sides)
Christians
Anarcaps

Most of the 3 are here for the lulz.
There are also others people who come here, but never a majority of them.

Nice. Thank you. Makes sense from what I've hear elsewhere, but its good to hear from people within the board. Of course, I'll also learn from other posts by lurking.

I knew the white supremacy thing was mostly ironic, I frequent enough meme sites to know that is what the internet do.

Thanks to you too.

Sup Forums has a healthy amount of NRx/Neo-Cameralist/Monarchists, and a lot of people that currently consider themselves libertarian or conservative would re-brand as one of those if NRx wasn't so goddamn dense.

kek, an anarchist not full retard.

Are you sure you are in the good group?

Yeah, I think that's a good point, it's a very diverse board, and many ideologies are presented, whether ironic or not. That is why many value this type of discourse because all ideas have an equal platform as there is no upvoting system. Nothing is taken too seriously, but all ideas have an equal opportunity to be rejected and accepted.

i wouldn't say christcucks constitute their own ideology.
it swings between full blown NSDAP and ancap. i would say that on the whole Sup Forums is definitely right wing, with most shades of the right having some representation, and probably at least mildly racist.

We also have that Communism General who pop up from time to time.

that thread is an obvious ongoing raid from leftypol. it's always that one retarded spaniard posting it, and he gets BTFO every thread when everyone comes in to tell him he's a retard.

It's a painful process to extract whig history from your mind. You know this.

Personally i reckon National Syndicalism is better

+ it influenced Mussolini so theres that

What I find nice about anarcho-syndicalism is that it's really just a basis, a small set of rules on which a society should function. The rest is done by people whom compose this society. It's not intrinsically incompatible which, let's say, money, some nationalism or free market for example. It's also the very con of this ideology by the way.

There were pretty interesting experiments done during the war, and for something which "isn't supposed to work in theory", anarchists did have working communes and good armies, and also powerful enemies who did everything to crush them. In fact, their main enemy was the authoritarian communists rather than Francoist Spain.

A lot of people here mix punks or lost students with anarcho-syndicalists to fit their narrow political view, but they are quite nice people, you probably couldn't tell they are anarchists unless you talk with them.

Honestly, its always a journey of self discovery. I'm fairly young (Only 20), so who knows how I will feel in the future.

Anarchism (or, at least, intelligent anarchism,. I too know quite a few anarchists that are indeed full retard.) is what seems to fit my ideals the most at this moment, however.

I think you should kys to save me the trouble, commie scum.

What do you do if someone doesn't share?

pic related

Sup Forums is a national socialist board
we don't like our kind, in fact no one does, commies are retard

>believe if we can remove the statist part

Literally laughed out loud. Thanks man, needed a good chuckle.

>stolen
substanti8 m8

>probably at least mildly racist
It just depends on how one defines the word "racist". Acknowledging differences between the races seems like an obvious claim that is backed by science and common sense. Looking at individuals and making a claim about that one person's intuitions, intelligence, or anything else isn't actually backed by science or reason. There are blacks who are as smart as the smartest group of whites, though it is less common: this is the foundation of the bell curve. It really isn't a meme that all niggers aren't black, there are plenty of retarded white people who act the same as what one could call "niggers". Likewise, there are black people that contribute to society in a similar way that smart white people contribute.

>Sup Forums is a national socialist board
Lol natsoc generals get shat on, you're not even the majority

>remove the state from socialism
>I'm a fucking double digit IQ nigger
You should really just shut the fuck up and stop proving to the world that you're a retard by opening your mouth.

>we don't like our kind
unironically

It is. On the one hand, I wish there was some more easily digestible material to "red pill" people on NRx. On the other, it's not really an ideology, and half the point is for people to delve into the dense details. There's no quick way to free yourself from whig history. And even if we could distill or cliff note something like Moldbug, it would kind of ruin the experience.

Do you know that anarchists have never governed in Spain? Also in 1936 was the civil war

It's retarded. I'd rather shoot an ancom than a jihadist.

Your right. Some of my fellow anarchists view anarcho-syndicalism as the path to anarcho-communism, but I do see some other systems working with it as well. I'm not opposed to people's suggestions, as long as they can work within the anarcho-syndicalist ideals.

The whole "isn't supposed to work in theory" is why I brought up the Spain thing in the first place.

Also, your last point is indeed my experience.

If you could add ideologies and divide them by the number of ideologies like how you would normally calculate an average, it would be civic nationalist. Because there are a lot of ancaps and libertarians but also a lot of nationalists and ethnonationalists. It averages out to civic nationalism. Lets not forget that Sup Forums is mostly American, so it makes sense that we're basically all paleocon republicans.

To an extent, it weeds out the proles by virtue of being so esoteric. There's a tradeoff to publicity. It's exactly what it needs to be right now. It's gestating.

There is this, though: slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/03/reactionary-philosophy-in-an-enormous-planet-sized-nutshell/

kek

anarcho-syndicalism is shit, individualist anarchism is the way forward.

i reckon INGSOC is the best ideology desu

You do realize Anarcho-Socialism is a thing, right?

Not in its entirety, no, but you should read up on anarchy in spain, especially revolutionary Catalonia.

It's not a bad summary, but the author misses some finer points, and slightly mis-frames others in order to seed his disagreements. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he misrepresents it, it's just not exactly how it would all be framed if written by a pro-NRx author.

But you are correct. It is doing just fine.

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I doubleplus keked

but it's more retarded than state socialism

I would disagree, but you do you, buddy.

pol is right wing, there are only 10 % lefties here

Anarcho anything is by definition literally autistic screeching. Utopian ideals that will never work practically

see answer the question

>a nigger that is AGAINST gibs
Wut?

So was democracy during feudalism. Not an argument.

>Sowell has said that he was a Marxist "during the decade of my 20s"; one of his earliest professional publications was a sympathetic examination of Marxist thought vs. Marxist–Leninist practice.[9]
it's just a facade

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when you are paid the fair market value for your labor, what more can you ask for?

you are free to up skill and make your time more valuable, but instead you just whine, and never appreciate in value.

Hilarious how Commies can always whine and argue for the virtues of communism, but when faced with the cold hard economic facts that delegitimise communism, they avoid the conversation all together.

They know they'll never win because they cannot win.

AIDS is also a thing, so is testicular cancer, and so is bug chasing pozzed nigger faggots.

What's your point, commie filth?

he converted. he said "Looking back pretty much I still hold the same personal values I always had, I just came to realize that they must be reached through other means [capitalism, rather than marxism])

he says it in this video, cant be fucked to scrub for it because i have diffyq's to solve

youtube.com/watch?v=kB_m5-xBy0Q

You're forgetting the most important group of all
>nrx and traditionalists

Former anarchist (CNT member) here. If any of you faggots have any questions, I'm up for it.

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