European Union president rejects Trump call for more NATO spending

In a speech on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference Thursday, Juncker, who heads the European Union's executive arm, suggested some resistance to Trump's threat was in order.

"It has been the American message for many, many years. I am very much against letting ourselves be pushed into this," he said.

Juncker also said the EU's other spending commitments made up for any shortfalls in military funding.

"Modern politics cannot just be about raising defense spending," he said according to Reuters.

"If you look at what Europe is doing in defense, plus development aid, plus humanitarian aid, the comparison with the United States looks rather different," he said.

Juncker added that European nations should bundle their defense spending better and spend the money more efficiently.

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So NATO is going to be dissolved now? Both sides agree?

>agree to 2%

>don't pay 2% for years

"pay 2%"

"no, hope not hate!"

Jesus Christ Juncker must be drinking even more since brexit.

NATO only benefits America, so it will not be dissolved.

But it should be.

>kick out everyone that will not pay the 2%.
>invite Russia to join.
>???
>profit

Is this just them negotiating a price or will Nato fall apart?

So how do they plan on making their EU army without raising defense spending?

you dumb twat. The US doesn't need NATO, they can defend themself. Guess who can't broomstick boy?

Juncker better learn Russian.

Please let this happen

>>agree to 2%

Actually, the 2% was not agreed, it was just a declaration and in the declaration itself it was watered down:

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Taking current commitments into account, we are guided by the following considerations:
Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so. Likewise, Allies spending more than 20% of their defence budgets on major equipment, including related Research & Development, will continue to do so.
Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will:
halt any decline in defence expenditure;
aim to increase defence expenditure in real terms as GDP grows;
aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO's capability shortfalls.
Allies who currently spend less than 20% of their annual defence spending on major new equipment, including related Research & Development, will aim, within a decade, to increase their annual investments to 20% or more of total defence expenditures.
All Allies will:
ensure that their land, air and maritime forces meet NATO agreed guidelines for deployability and sustainability and other agreed output metrics;
ensure that their armed forces can operate together effectively, including through the implementation of agreed NATO standards and doctrines.
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>Juncker added that European nations should bundle their defense spending better and spend the money more efficiently.
EURO ARMY GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What the fuck is wrong with this guy. Why the fuck is spending more money on defense so fucking complicated for these motherfuckers.

Well I guess the US will just defend 80% of Germany then.

>So how do they plan on making their EU army without raising defense spending?

By cutting spending. REmember Trump's promise to make things more efficient? In Europe we got 10,000s of generals. Not even kidding, every 28 states have hundreds of generals, sometimes thousands of generals. They all get paid royally. You don't need such a command structure.

Also, bundling procurement helps.

>Estonia, Greece, and Poland pay their fair share
>Germany doesn't
Germany must be hard up

Basically a lot of members of NATO agreed to ramp up spending so that they all hit close to 2% by 2020. Trump said do it now. Junker said no.

>defense, plus development aid, plus humanitarian aid
This is what happens when you let drunkards lead.

I wish his liver would finally give out.

You think you'll be spending less than 2% when NATO is dissolved? Starting to understand why you lost the only two world ears the earth has seen

>Well I guess the US will just defend 80% of Germany then.

Anglo, you do understand all your troops will be removed from German soil by Brexit time? Check it out, it is on Google.

As to US soldiers, how should the 30,000 logistics troops, hospital staff and MPs defend anything in Germany? The only time NATO rules were actually relevant was when America asked Germany to contribute to the invasion of Afghanistan. Only time. Germany never asked NATO about anything ever.

Also, we can defend Germany from the North korean invasion that is the only threat we face just fine.

>greece pays 2.4% of it's GDP
yeah but that's like £5 to be fair

Annoyed you can't conquer Europe again, Fritz?

Dissolve NATO, and have at it, I say. Time to see some masculinity from your continent.

His days are numbered.
At this point he's just buying time for the formation of the EU army.

>spend more spending
What kind of writing is that?

Thanks UK and Poland.
They know where their priorities are.

>Greece, and Poland pay their fair share

Well, then we actually pay our fair share as they use our money to pay "their" fair share.

I honestly wonder if Germans are really this stupid or if they're just pretending.

NATO was put in place to protect Europe from Russia.

America is like Europe's big brother on the playground and without America Europe is defenseless.

Suck a dick, juncker.

It's already confirmed that Lithuania by 2018 will have 2%, and even more in later years. And I believe its the same for Latvia. This show that we value USA as an ally much more then we value Brussels.

You keep your constant moral high horse screeching at the ruskies up, North Korea may not be your only problem.

and we should drop them. it is expensive taking care of European babies.

They probably want to wait for 2020 because they're hoping some other shitpot will take over Trump when his first term is up. Who would most likely immediately reverse it, so it makes sense for Trump to demand immediate reform.

You gave them that money Fritz.

You also took OUR money and gave it to them. Now you're wondering why we want to leave your club.

>You think you'll be spending less than 2% when NATO is dissolved?
Look at what non-NATO members spend, John.

Meanwhile they constantly ankle bite the Russian bully, sticking their tongue out and yelling insults. While refusing to keep their side of the bargain & just carry brass knuckles around in case there is a brawl.

Those countries are still protected by the umbrella of NATO and the US you imbecile.

I don't think you quite grasp just how dependant on US military might Europe is.

You gave it to them its not "your" money anymore you fucking indian giver.

>NATO was put in place to protect Europe from Russia.
And that is the biggest propaganda piece right there. Starting with Stalin, Russia was always friendly towards Europe. Post 1945, America and Britistan was always Russia's enemy, not Europe. And Putin loves Germany, he speaks German and was Schroeder's best buddy.

NATO should be dissolved. In the best interest of both our countries. Look at how easy this negotiation was.

Can't wait for Trump to make it official next week.

This is exactly what he wants. Reject Trumps call for more NATO spending, US leaves, NATO falls to pieces thus opening a clear path to an EU Army.

Remember when countries used to have to use their own money to defend themselves?

>Those countries are still protected by the umbrella of NATO and the US you imbecile.
No, they are not. Switzerland and Austria are definitely not protected by NATO or the US.

Switzerland has successfully defended itself for 200 years, never used a single cent or soldier from the US doing so.

based fucking greece lmao

> Starting with Stalin, Russia was always friendly towards Europe

Yeah after taking over half of Europe including half of your country lmao why are Germans retarded?

>Anglo, you do understand all your troops will be removed from German soil by Brexit time?

"haha we're shooting ourselves in the foot, anglo"

Anyway, enjoy those first terrorist attacks with your broomstick army hans.

>Can't wait for Trump to make it official next week.

And he won't do it, which is a shame. Trump knows NATO only benefits America and he is an "America first" proponent, so why cut off cheap foreign troops that contribute in American wars if asked?

you are so fucking delusional

Self righteous fucks dont mind hitching a ride on our fucking aircraft carriers.

>war breaks out somewhere
>"Why isnt the US intervening?!"
>one year later
>The US are war mongers!

NATO weakens the US spaz. Your defense is a freebie we fell for after WWII.

germoney can't spend more on military, unless we want our welfare state to collapse and refugee gibmedats to implode.... Same for other half socialist europoors...That's why we have 'free' healthcare and america not, because we don't pay for the army....also EU army won't really happen, other countries are too proud to serve under german control (as they should be), this will be too unstable.

>Yeah after taking over half of Europe including half of your country lmao why are Germans retarded?
And yet Russia is still more friendly towards Germany than America. How come? Trump has insulted Germany over and over and over... Putin has not. Guess which country is supposed to be an ally.

You can't possibly be this retarded.

After raping half the population of Berlin, the Russians decided to annex half of your country after the war.

Germany was nothing more than a piece of meat being torn asunder by the wolves (Russia and the US). Russians gave zero fucks about you.

Ironically, today the EU (i.e. Germany) is harping on about how dangerous Putin is and pleading with America to go and fight their battles for them.

Also, the EU needs to butt the fuck out. We don't have a NATO agreement with the EU. Our agreements are with NATO nations, just like our trade agreements are.

$500,000,000,000 on defense annually.

Everyone bitches about how we blow hundreds of billions of dollars on our military when compared to our allies. In reality we barely spend 2% more on it then they do. We are just rich enough to afford it.

you really are a stupid subhuman. the usa built your country back up and turned you into an economic powerhouse. the usa stopped communism from sweeping throughout yurop. putin isn't your friend. you're just a geopolitical pawn

Fighting wars and troops literally costs nothing compared to the rebuilding and infrastructure. The only reason Germany is involved in our admittedly moronic wars is so you can feel included.

Germany's only contribution to us is being able to have nukes at Putin's doorstep. I have a feeling our anti ballistic black project must be going well seeing how flippantly NATO is being treated

He read it in a comic book.

>Anyway, enjoy those first terrorist attacks with your broomstick army hans.
Salty Anglos are the best Anglos.

god do those mother fucking Krauts have no shame.

> Trump has insulted Germany over and over

Fucking Merkel is a dumb retarded cunt. You do realize that she is livid that Trump is even talking about restoring relations with Russia and is goading the US into being more hostile towards fucking Russia while trying to jew the entire EU out of money and not doing anything important on the world stage for years turning the EU into a fucking joke and a plantation for German corporations

>Switzerland
>Small country
>Extremely rich, known neutral territory
>Extremely defensible, mostly mountain territory
>Most potential invaders would need to go through Germany first
>Needing to spend as much as other countries

Nobody's salty Hans. We just laugh at the pathetic state of your soon to be balkanized nation.

pay denbts :DD

Because they're geographically surrounded on all sides by NATO states you simpleton.

You can guarantee that if a foreign nation invaded Austria that the US and NATO would come to their aid.

But your 2% is bigger than their 2%, right?

So the lesson here is as long as people are nice they can take your country. So German

>And yet Russia is still more friendly towards Germany than America. How come?

Because getting Germany is key to ruling over Europe. USA is only an issue when they intervene in any theater but even yanks can't do anything when the fucking countries themselves tell them to fuck off over Russians.

>EU talks up the Russian threat
>US asks them to spend more on defense
>Nah, fuck that, we have billions in gibs to give to immigrants

Well then EU, what is it? Is Russia a serious threat or no?

Germany has been against all American wars of the last 16 years. We were against Afghanistan, against Iraq and against Libya etc. And we were right EVERY FUCKING TIME, you idiot warmongers.

Pay the 2% or we fuck you up.
This is your only warning.

>check it out

41,000 soliders to be reduced down to 31,000.

What I find shocking is that we will have 31,000 soldiers in Germany while Deutschers only have 60,000 troops total. Step up son.

>the kraut is now defending sandniggers who attack British Army soldiers

We should have Dresdened your whole country.

>Sure we didn't get the roof fixed but we spent 40 quid on a hair cut, whats the difference?

>starts two world wars
>calls other warmongers
the usa doesn't fight in wars. we fight in conflicts

It's an instrument of influence (pro tip: countries behave differently toward you whether you have military bases on their soil or not).
Of course US needs NATO, as long as they want to be a global hyperpower.

Wrong, NATO was put in place to protect Europe from the USSR, there is a big difference of about half a continent and a complete different ideology behind.

Anyway what Juncker says has no important, if anything he speaks for Germany, the rest pretty much does what it want and if the nordic and eastern countries have an interest to spend more with Russia at the door the rest don't really give a fuck because there are no threats for them, the exception being UK and France because they both have interests oversea.

Ever heard of Austria? Same thing as Switzerland, not a NATO member and at 0.8% GDP for defense.

IF anything, if we left NATO, we can reduce our military budget.

>Starting with Stalin, Russia was always friendly towards Europe
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Europe is going to be ripped apart by external forces the fucking cucks in Brussels have overplayed their hand.

turkey spends about 2.1 btw

wanna hear how much SA spends on military as a % of their GDP? its 14%.

Seeing how only three in twenty helicopters are operable, same for planes, tanks, etc, we should definitely spend less on rapefugees and more on defence.

But here's the problem: The previous-to-last minister of defence changed our armed forces from a general draft system to a professionals only army. Add to that the retardedness that our freedom is somehow defended in Afghanistan (I mean WTF?!?), and you see why nobody wants to join the army anymore.

Even if we spend more on stuff, we don't get the people to operate the stuff.

Don't you Americans get it? Most euro countries are BROKE right now. We are in a constant state of financial crisis (+social crisis now as well). The greek at the top of the spending list are defacto busto, and only pay their army on debt from the IWF....We went full socialist and now we're broke, we can't just double our military spending, it's over man, game over.

No you weren't asshole. Check you privilege and your vote in the UN on the Gulf War. You couldn't send troops, but you sent a check. Honestly, at this point I think your some retarded teenager from Nebraska or Saskatchewan.

what % of nato force is the US on its own?

what if you add the few countries that currently pay the 2% THEY COMMITTED to paying under the treaty?

Only German girl I knew constantly bitched about the US wars. Until Allepo and Ukraine happened. Then pissed we didn't go to war.

You guys literally think you can spend all your money on welfare, constantly virtue signal about how bad we are, and then sick us on whoever.

>juncker once again suggesting Europe become a single nation but this time he wants them all to spend money on the military

I'm sure some big name arms companies are just throwing money at him right now

> Invites Ukraine into the EU

> Russia invades Ukraine

> oy vey

> No longer wants Ukraine into the EU

> tries to hardball Russia and fails

> Invites millions of shitskin terrorists into EU

> America plz help

> Spend 2% on defence plz

> No

Could this have been avoided by never created the EU?

It has been a very long time since your country faught in a war not started based on false facts or lies so better shut up about that topic stupid burgerclap

Salty Anglo, your army is shrinking so fast, it will have negative soldier numbers soon.

J U S T

>spend massive amounts of money on social programs
>spend almost no money on military
>US tired of paying for your shit
>cry about how poor you are
But I thought socialism worked, guys. Certainly you can afford to pay more for your programs. Just raise your taxes.

>You can guarantee that if a foreign nation invaded Austria that the US and NATO would come to their aid.
Just like when Ukraine was invaded by Russia?

Suuuuure.

Why is it so hard for murricans to understand we don't want to invest as much in an army as they do, noone in Europe has the ambition to control the whole world

Big talk coming from the Broomstick boys.

Yeah, peaceful nations only seeking to defend themselves don't need a professional army. America only switched over to professional army when their people simply refused to die in imperialistic wars. Defense of nation is the best reason for conscription, aggressive wars require professional army.

For fuck's sake the Romans transitioned to professional army over draft army exactly because they couldn't maintain an empire on drafted citizen army.

Funny how its the most based nations that are meeting their quota. All the other eurocucks can suck arab balls

Then don't expect our protection.

Not him, but he probably thinks it's more important to feed and clothe and house the shitskins that are invading our country.

Fucking socialists.

isn't germany in a surplus though?

>in Germany while Deutschers only have 60,000 troops total.
What is 200,000? Are you retarded, Burger?

And your 30k "soldiers" are just logisitcs personnel and medical staff etc. There are just a few thousand actual soldiers among them. So basially nothing. We could kill them all within 30min.

Austria and Switzerland are not Ukraine you silly sausage muncher. They're western democracies at the heart of Europe.