So I noticed that a lot of you guys here don't like the EU very much

So I noticed that a lot of you guys here don't like the EU very much.
As an entusiastic supporter of the EU, I would love to hear what exactly you dislike about it

How nuch do you pay for that info user?

I would love to get money for protecting a project I am passionate about.
Sadly I am doing it for free. But if you know where I could apply for paid shilling, I would be grateful if you shared this information with me

I'm pretty sure he meant that how much you'd pay us for the info you're asking.

How does it feel to be becoming muslim even faster then my country?

I thought this discussion board works without monetary compensation

It's shitty currency

How's that European currency working out for you?

You thought wrong lil' bitch boiiii

Haven't you heard of ShareBlue? They're the dominant provider of accurate paid information. You can trust them to agree with you on the EU.

Tell us first why you like it?

The EU will soon die, we are seeing to that.

no 4th reich

no EU army

no mass immigration of gibsmedats from niggerland

EU wants to call us all 'member states' well fuck that.

EU wants to kill the Greeks, Italians.

They said if we didnt join the EURO we would be toast, well guess what.


Fuck being part of a political currency unions, fuck your ECB, fuck the trioker, you fucking cunts have fucked the Greeks and Italians and you'll pay for that motherfuckers, we will destroy you if you carry on.

Dont think to bully the Brits, we dont want mass immigration.

3 of 28 signing out, enjoy your Borg dictatorship

Le pen now?

I don't think we will become muslim, friend.
Quiet the opposite, I do believe that the muslims living in Europe will become secular over time

It's a bureaucratic, non-democratic nightmare.
The EU officials aren't elected
There are too many politicians
There are too many rules, laws, regulations
It moves towards globalization, which destroys culture and individuality.

the germans

Wannabe superstate at the expense of every state involved, sound familiar?

That is certanly true, the Euro was implemented way to fast and wasn't thought out til the end.
But I would like to mention at this point that Germany was against the € and wanted to keep its strong DM, and was basically blackmailed by Frace to join the Eurozone

I fucking hope so

This is true.

How does it feel to become shitskin?

also you will, islam is a radical religion they will not become secular. Look at muslim countries how secular are they? Even the wealthy ones... there is no way that will happen now a days.

The main reasons I like it that it allows the people to travel freely across the continent, to trade, work and live everywhere in EU they want.
I also think that it pretty much makes wars impossible within the EU, and as you certanly know from our past, Europe has been always ravaged by wars.
Also, I believe that with more and more countries reaching worst world living standard, if we Europeans want to stay relevant, we have to stick together

Are you white?

How do you feel becoming a minority in your own country?

It's time to stop drinking Schulz you are already drunk.

It is an Union of democratic member states. The main decisions are made by the leaders of those member states, and all the leaders are democratically elected.
And there is a lot of bureaucraty, for sure, but then again, trade between 28 member states is a very difficult topic and it cant be handled without some bureaucratcy

How does it feel to have grabbed the lowest-hanging fruit of contemporary prejudice in order to feel better about yourself?

UN & EU are stepping stones to the path of globalism & One World Government. Satanic mystery babylon cultism ALL of it. Ignore the facade politics they are just smoke and mirrors.
Read up on Coudenhove-Kalergi. See what Juncker is saying RIGHT NOW - "we should pool our defensive investments together" also Merkel/Germany asking for a "European Army".

Pure globalism which is horrible for anyone not wanting to follow the Protocols.

It reminds me of the unification of the several small and irrelevant German states, to becoming one strong and powerful Germany.
I think the same would be possible on an European level

You're so tough. Like Alex Jones. He's completely credible. And not shouting for coins.

Not if they're left to practice a backwards culture insulated in communities that aren't policed because people are afraid to point out human rights violations in case they're label islamaphobic.

>EU cuck
kys

>travel freely across the continent, to trade, work and live everywhere in EU they want.

I keep hearing this argument from people who have not and have no plans to do this.

>Oh horay, I can step in to Germany to do my shopping thanks to Schengen! That's the EU, right?

From my personal experience, I have to disagree.
You see, radical muslims in Europe will never get into a position of power, and the luxury and comfort a modern western lifestyle gives is simply way better than anything islam has to offer.
Basically, I am confident that our worldview can beat islam in an open market of ideologies

Since most of immigrants to Germany are fellow EU citizens, I dont think Germany will have a non-white majority any time soon

2nd and 3rd gen immigrants are more islamic than the original generation here, you're an idiot. We already have our "left wing" party being taken over by them, to the point that some local meetings in muslim areas are segregated by gender.

...

Stop confusing EUROPE with the EU, thats why we voted out.

you're better than this Germany, you're not a member state you're GERMANY!

you're fucked lad, Merkals immigration policy shows why.

We will trade, we want BMW's there wll always be trade but we dont need the EU for it.

They are cunts, they really do want open borders becuase muh GDP.

When the EU was created it was a buying group sort of, but now... whats its end game?

I LOVE Europe, but the EU is fucking about with Russia, taking states from it, they are coming for us bro and its the EU's fault.

Fredom of movement is fine if you have space, but we dont! we are on our kness, we have educated Slavs here picking fruit, why? they have degrees!
Stay on your own country and help it, dont come here for extra money and drive down wages.

I despise the EU, but again i love Europe,

It worked for Germany because all Germans were German. Prussians, Bavarians, there were small cultural differences but most of it was identical.

The Dutch are not German, nor are they French, Polish, Italian, Spanish (hell to the fucking no), British or Greek.
The Germans aren't French, the French aren't German, the Italians aren't German or French, so on and so forth.

You cannot unite dozens of different cultures under one banner without a very big reason for people to join in.
Guess why the EU is so hellbent on destroying Europe.

Your entire continent is having a birth rate crisis and your solution is importing millions of muslimes to turn the most beautiful place in the world into another shithole like the middle east. I mean the scandinavian countries used to be known as like the most peaceful paces on earth look what muslim immigration has done.

>I also think that it pretty much makes wars impossible within the EU
They're impossible anyway mostly due to NATO though?

I agree. That why it is so important to fight the creation of parallel-societies, we need to educate those people and dont leave the teachings of islam to extremists founded by Saudi-Arabia or Turkey

Because they don't agree with Trump, so must be wrong.

Enjoy his next tweet and the new reality it brings, along with the increase in your chocolate ration from 30g to 20g.

I am organizing events for Erasmus students at my university, so I interact with a lot of European students on everyday basis. This is a very pleasant experience and I wouldn't wanna miss out on that

Can you post pictures of you looking tough to inspire us?

I dont disagree, there are some problems with integrating minorities from certain countries, but I dont thin those problems are something we cant handle

>Basically, I am confident that our worldview can beat islam in an open market of ideologies
Look at Turkey, it's gone from a secular democratic republic to an islamic shithole in the past few decade. Similar with Lebanon where the population went from 60% Christian to 65% Muslim.

Erasmus could be organised without the EU needing to be a political union.

-dictate of a foreign unelected supranational body; all enacted legislation stemming from EU has been widely unpopular unless you're a globalist kike
-egalitarianist approach towards shitskins, ever-increasing communist principles although these also originate from the other communist org, UN
-inability to control the currency that would fit the conditions in localities other than DE, NL, parts of FR, parts of IT
-ever-increasing push toward centralization, I want free trade and free trade alone, not illegal shitskin quotas or what kind of wine/sausage/fruit/x I can call my product
-total inability of small members to assert their wants and needs, see pic related

EU DELENDA EST

>I LOVE Europe but hate EU
What does it even mean, in a practical sense.
And btw, yeah, I wish that Russia and EU would get along better, since I consider Russians to be our fellow Europeans

It's impossible to handle with the EU basically making anyone critising muslims at all illegal

We don't need a political union to have free travel treaties between nations.
We don't need to surrender our sovereignty to make trade deals and we can use visas for international labour and migration the same way we always used to.
The EU is not responsible for the peace, that would be NATOs great achievement.
Britain alone is more relevant to the global market than the EU ever was and ever will be. The EU is a closed market under severe protectionist limitations, and because of that it's very difficult to compete on the global market. The EU destroys our relevance.

Jobs and studies can be done with visas issued by the host nation and not a political union you have to give everything to.

t. Someone that got one of those visas years ago from a place that is not now nor has ever been in the EU.

Funny thing four a Dutch person to say, because you used to be Germans aswell, you know?
But cultures evolve over time, become more similar or more different.
And I think all Europeans share similiar values that would allow a federalization, while still keeping our unique aspects

>What does it even mean, in a practical sense.
You like the countries of Europe but hate the EU which is attempting to abolish them in favour of a bland globalist superstate?

But NATO is run by America. And while I am grateful what America has done for us, we cant rely for USA forever

Asking me if i except cookies on every single fucking website.

literally my country is bankrupt with 20´% unemployment rate since 10 years ago

what do you expect user? we are tired with europe union,

kill yourself kraut

It already was. My father did the precursor to it in the late 50s and spent a year teaching English in Austria.

sure, but it would be much harder without the EU, without the free travel and the subsidize that Erasmus gets from the EU.
I can see it daily when I compare how easy Erasmus students have it compared to other International students

>muslims living in Europe will become secular over time
Is this nigga for real?

>And I think all Europeans share similiar values that would allow a federalization, while still keeping our unique aspects
The US was far more homogeneous politically and culturally than the EU is, and even in a loose federation before the 1860s they still ended up having a civil war.
Just compare the UK and France, pretty much every French politician is way too socialist to ever be electable here, and our politicians too economically liberal for France. Why should we have to work under unified economic law?

I think they have the right to practice their views in their own countries and deal with their own problems. I'm fine taking in people that want to get away from that culture and come to a place where all humans are equals in the eyes of the law. But there needs to be a process that makes sure only people that belief in western values can get through.

>Love Europe
The western cultures, cities and geography of Europe
>Hate EU
The political undemocratic conglomerate that is globalist in its nature and becoming more authoritarian by the day and which in fact is the biggest threat to the very culture mentioned above.

It is really a shame about Turkey, considering how Atatürk modernized the country.
But I think the problem with Turkey is that they always have been muslim, and then a guy came and changed everything in one generation.
So while he officially modernized the country, the islamic mindset still remained, and populists like Erdogan could easily reactivate it.

I dont think a similar thing would be possible in Europe

It isn't free. Universities sign up to it and pay massive fees, which either come from public money or private grants.

Erasmus is terrible and should be for top graduates only.

Better about myself? Are you a fool? It makes me feel bloody aweful watching my country crash and burn. The only way for any potential revitalization of my country is to watch another fail faster. My request is as such to ask how it feels. How it feels to fall so fast and to have others use your failure as their last resort for greatness.

Let me tell you as the pontificate their anti-white message. Their white guilt I watch as my country turns against white males like me. I watch as my countries grace upon these refugees and immigrants is taken as nothing more then retribution for acts which I did not commit. Acts which my parents did not commit, and even worse most of my brethrens, ancestors did not commit either.

I watch as my cultural identity is destroyed as my Christians countries foundations are destroyed by the reassurgence of an old enemy.

This is not a low hanging fruit, but the fruit that determine the fate of me and my brethren within their own countries.

>dictate of a foreign unelected supranational body; all enacted legislation stemming from EU has been widely unpopular unless you're a globalist kike
how else would you organize a free market between 28 different countries? Every international treaty means giving up a small peace of sovereignty

Regardless there is no way any European countries except Balkan shitholes would go to war today, the peoples of those countries wouldn't stand for it and no politicians call for it. Economics also makes it essentially untenable too, but free trade started long before the EU became the beaurocratic mess it now is.

This is the correct flag.

The EU doesn't have sovereignty over criminal laws.
Making hate speech criminal lays in the competence of the member states

>it would be much harder without the EU, without the free travel
My uni has many Americans study here on exchanges too though.
Student visas are not hard and Erasmus budget is like 0.0001% of the EUs, governments could simply organise it separately without needing the EU as a political entity.

Come here bro. I fucking hate the CBC.

>We don't need a political union to have free travel treaties between nations.
So how would you enforce tariffs in a fee travel zone without a political union.

>The EU is a closed market under severe protectionist limitations, and because of that it's very difficult to compete on the global market.
Thats funny you said it, cause many people in this thread accuse the EU of beeing globalist

The EU is a piece of shit. France will leave soon, and holland, denmark will leave. then it will just be Germany controlling all the poorfag countries. good luck.

>the islamic mindset still remained
As it does in almost all muslim immigrants to Europe. Who are quickly becoming a huge voting block.

sure, but what actions result from UK liking European countries?

The EU is a wonderful idea that is poorly executed because it is run by baby boomer cucks who hate indigenous Europeans and indigenous European culture with a passion.

I am sorry about it, friend, but I fail to see how it is the fault of EU.
Just look at the European countries that are not members of the EU. None of them is dooing better than Spain

We were never German. Germanic I'll give you because it's bloodbound, but not German.

As for similarities, we've grown apart more than we have grown closer to each other. If you want to turn the EU into a federation, you will need to eliminate other cultures and guess what, it didn't work when Hitler tried it. Why try again?

no problem with EU, a lot of problems with its rulers

>Why should we have to work under unified economic law?
To stay relevant.
You see, the choice is not between EU and a sovereign nation.
The choise is between EU and beeing dependant on USA, China or Russia

>So how would you enforce tariffs in a fee travel zone without a political union.
Why do you need political union for free trade? Real free trade, not garbage like TTiP which handed over sovereignty of our countries to big business.

but one of the core western values it the freedom of religion

free market presupposes no third party involvement, what you are thinking of is inherently authoritarian and unfree; think in terms of regulations, subsidies, tax cuts and other statist bullshit that makes it difficult for anyone but those that successfully lobby the whores of brussels to gain an upper hand
free market means that companies from country A can compete to sell in country B and vice versa, no buts or ifs; let free market decide whose products/services are preferred
sovereignty is sacred and not up for trade

It's not about the idea of the EU but the ones in control. Most here do believe that people that are constantly acting for the greed of special interest groups should not get mightier and that's pretty obvious to any critical thinking person

>The western cultures, cities and geography of Europe
But it means nothing, if you dont politically cooperate with other European countries

I think invesement in education and intercultural cooperation is money well spent

unless that "religion" is a totalitarian system of government designed for world conquest through violence aka pisslam

>Lichtenstein
>Norway
>Switzerland
You are wrong.

I think our problem is that we take the status-quo as granted.
Personally, I dont believe that the current peace in the EU is a given natural law, it is something that the people who came before us fought for, and one of the greatest European acchievements in the last 70 years

Leave voting people here wanted trade, cooperation, easy travel with European neighbours.
They dislike people like Mr Juncker telling us
>there can be no democratic choice against the european treaties.
They dislike being told you have to let every uneducated Pole in to drive down our working class' wages.
They dislike an EU that purposely ignores the democratic will of the people it supposedly represents, forced revotes when referenda go against or just simply ignores them and doubles down with yet more federalisation.

i like the free market. i don't like the corrupt people in charge. tell me what is the point if staying if there is no hope for a non political/ corruption free eu

(compulsory) education is used by authoritarian states in order to brainwash and legitimize mob rule/democracy and pacify the citizens into dependence and inaction
it is also a bottomless pit of spending and employs useless people doing useless work

I seriously doubt it that this mindset will stick over time.
For example, here in Germany, lots of muslims drink, take drugs, have sex before marriage. I dont think they are really conservative believers of islam

Thank you for being one of the few that actually doesn't use the MUH 4th REICH argument.

>We don't need a political union to have free travel treaties between nations.
You kinda do, actually. Free trade and travel is by definition something you need a political union for. The question is how much you want that union to decide.

>use visas for international labour and migration the same way we always used to.
I don't like the idea of having to get a visa every time I want to visit Germany for an afternoon (I live quite close to the border)

>The EU is not responsible for the peace, that would be NATOs great achievement.
Plain wrong. It's actually amazing what you can achieve, peacewise, by throwing large amounts of money towards it. The EU is heavily involved in peace in Northern Ireland and the Balkans to this day by supporting shared education and development projects between rival factions, and it's extremely effective.
Next to that the EU is also heavily involved in development in Western- and Eastern Europe to improve human rights situations from Austria to Romania, and they are also heavily involved in the international tribunals in the Hague.

>Britain alone is more relevant to the global market than the EU ever was
The only thing Britain has going for it is the banking industry. The rest of the country is still debating wether or not to invest in coal.

>The EU destroys our relevance.
Go to Rotterdam, go to the harbor, and tell them the EU destroys Dutch relevance. Do it.

>I dont believe that the current peace in the EU is a given natural law
It's a given by modern economics and MAD. It's why there's not been a real symmetric war in the 1st world since WW2. It's all been terrorism/guerilla warfare and fights between shitholes like India and Pakistan.

I agree, EU has many problems. But it is the task of our generation to fix them, rather than abadon the whole project

The eu is a good idea but not with our current leadership in there we need a right center leadership and the EU will work.
As it is right now its just a vehicle to rob and replace Europeans with third world and islam.
So all the "Geee why do people hate the EU!?" talk is insane to me when people for now close to 3 years screamed in the thousands to stop this refugee/replacement program and even predicted what would happen and has happened.
Not a single European leader can believably state they didnt know this would happen not one! And therefore they share blame for every single crime done in Europe by these imported third world groups and should actually be punished for it.
Again EU is one of the best things but only with the right leadership give me someone in the center instead of these commy racist cunts.

>So how would you enforce tariffs in a free travel zone without a political union
Customs officers.

>That's funny you said it, cause many people in this thread accuse the EU of being globalist
And that's true, the EU is globalist.
I'll give you the example of the dairy industry. There uses to be a time when dairy farmers were doing well, but thanks to developments around the world the European farmers found that they could not afford to compete, so they stopped being dairy farmers. The big boys of Europe did not like this, so when they invited the farmers to the EEC and negotiated a deal that subsidised them for their dairy, they had to get some money to accomplish that.
On top of that, there wasn't a large demand for milk at all.

Result is that taxes were raised to support a supply for which there was no demand, and businesses couldn't grow as fast as they did.
More examples like this have necessitated more taxes and more regulations that ultimately have driven European businesses either out of existence or into Asia / South America, where lower wages and lower running costs offset the logistics.

This furthers the globalist cause.

Gib money