Muhhh based psychedelics

>dude i took some acid last night and i can, like, see the universe maaaan
>like everything is made up of fractals brooo
>dude trust me man, you wouldnt know cus you never tried acid

All psychedelic compounds are essentially poison for your thinking processes. It muddles up your thoughts and the sudden surge of serotonin messes with your passive emotions. People who do this shit and think they have discovered some great truths never realize that what they paid money to do was to confuse themselves willingly for extended periods, and 99% of the time the realizations and deep feelings come after the trip has ended the hallucination stage, wherein the body and the mind is just grateful to be returning to sobriety.

Prove me wrong.

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>Prove me wrong.
how about you prove yourself right first?

Have you done it, Ive jumped into metaphysics and philophy a few months ago, few books in did acid, and yeah got real zen the visuals are nothing, its what you can go into and work with your mind, see that it is the universe discovering itself. if your not retarded you only need to do acid once, but i would also like to see this and others in the treatment for depression.

I'm not taking the risk myself but mushrooms have been proven to give long lasting benefits in clinical studies for treating depression.

Acid is cool to do, it's fun and useful. So are other psychedelics. Trust me, I've used these drugs.

interms of what it could be done for depression when tested. soz cant type

>it is the universe discovering itself
have you read hegel?

>Prove me wrong.
What's your experience in pharmacological science?

more general books mentioning him
but i do like a gradated entropy of possibilitys and ideas over space-time

guess il chek what evers popular from him

It depends on the user. They can be used to both have fun and expand your out-of-the-box thinking, even during the same session.
With that said, yes, hippies suck.

If I could eat mushrooms often I would. I just have responsibilities now. Nothing better than being in the middle of the woods watching the sun rise on mushrooms.

>bro like if you do psychedelics you can become like super smart and philosophical because it gives you a new perspective on life

Is this your argument?
You can get a new perspective by cutting off your leg.

People play into this idea that tripping is some deep, spiritual thing you can do where you realize more about the universe and yourself but what you are really doing is no better than dreaming awake in a half-confused state. You're not going to learn the mechanics of nature and physics simply through that.

It's linked to serotonin production which SSRIs do equally well at.

You don't just cure depression by tripping once. It's a chemical process.

if you do, i recommend not starting with Phenomenology of Spirit, you pretty much need to have read at least his Logic before that imo

Don't need to. Medical science already has.

Answer my question. What is your experience in pharmacology?

>It's linked to serotonin production which SSRIs do equally well at.
Wrong. You're comparing SSRIs to 5-HT2a agonists.

You must be fun at parties

yes fuck head, its a changed mindstate, you can fuck with your own head a bit


"cutting off your leg"

no

"play into this idea"

i dare you

" universe and yourself "

its the same thing faggot

>(((SSRIs)))
>giving (((big pharma))) your money

No thanks. I'd be willing to wager psychedelics have less side effects/are generally safer when done responsibly too. The limited studies on them also suggest they may have long-term beneficial effects after just one use.

Lmao

OP clearly has never touched a psychedelic in hos life and especially hasn't went anywhere near DMT.

People have actually made insane inventions tripping... How about PCR?

why would poisons enable simple jungle mestizos to paint intricate DNA workings that they never knew existed ?

>>giving (((buzz word))) your money

source pls

Anecdotal evidence here, but a single trip on a low dose of mushrooms cured my crippling depression and constant suicidal thoughts within an hour, and they both never came back.

Since then Ive done LSD over 30 times. The whole stereotypical "universe seer" bullshit is just that, bullshit. People who are like that with psychedelics were like that to begin with, similar to the people who believe in the magic properties of random stones.
What Psychs do for me mentally is allow me to see issues with less bias, as a lot of the mental barriers your brain naturally places within itself as you age become lifted. It cleans the slate for a short while, and information you'd normally immediately turn down or ignore altogether becomes plausible again.
This is a double edged sword for some people however, as it takes a rational mind to use this tool effectively. People who are prone to superstitions and the like are more likely to fall into the trap of imagination land, becoming childlike in their discoveries.

Everyone I know that is anti-psychedelics is a brainwashed sheep that watches CNN 24/7

>essentially poison for your thinking processes. It muddles up your thoughts and the sudden surge of serotonin messes with your passive emotions.
true

>People who do this shit and think they have discovered some great truths never realize that what they paid money to do was to confuse themselves willingly for extended periods
almost true; sometimes they realize it. otherwise, the "great truths" are generally misleading except in the case where you genuinely realize something about yourself (i.e. boy, I'm an asshole to my friend Bob!), but these realizations can happen just as easily without the voluntary insanity you experience; one just has to take the time & energy

>and 99% of the time the realizations and deep feelings come after the trip has ended the hallucination stage, wherein the body and the mind is just grateful to be returning to sobriety.
not always

t. Guy Who Used To Do A LOT Of Psychedelics

Dose, drug and potential of the user play a huge role in your experience with psychedelics. Simply dont take it if you cant handle it. If you want to change your perspective you should try high dose of mescalin or DMT. Its hard to find decent LSD nowadays.

I had this conversation with a respected teacher of mine who was a psychonaut for decades, he said "Why would you want to use psychedelics if you can get enlighted while sober?"

Why would you wait all your life to gain that kind of wisdom if you can chose WHEN to gain it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelics_in_problem-solving_experiment

Enjoy this redpill OP.

>All psychedelic compounds are essentially poison for your thinking processes.

makes sense, thats why they're in the old testament which is also poisonous for your mind

>Prove me wrong.

Francis Crick discovered the DNA helix due to the influence of LSD

>Acid is cool to do

only if you find the real thing, good luck with that

I did shrooms two days ago.

I extracted and vaporized DMT three years ago.

Funny that you mention DMT, the "end-all-be-all" of psychedelics. The biggest, most bullshitted compound on the history of the earth. Nowhere is more false information about that compound than in the minds of its users.

>bro you produce it naturally
In super, super trace amounts

>bro DMT are triggered by near death experiences
No evidence

>it's produced in your pineal gland bro when you dream
Absolutely no evidence for this either, dreams occur through a different mechanism

Want the real redpill? Stick to sobriety instead of confusing yourself for 15 minutes.

Good goy! 'Big pharma' isn't just a buzzword. It's a multibillion dollar industry that fucks over consumers and scientific research for its own profit.

I know, Thats fine.

Hindu philosophy essentially says the same thing

>Francis Crick discovered the DNA helix due to the influence of LSD

WRONG

What a fucking myth this is, spouted over and over again by the same idiots. The only worthwhile popular scentist in that field that had anything to do with LSD is Kary Mullis, who discovered PCR, but that guy also thought he saw aliens in his backyard.

fuck off brainwashed pleb

go masturbate to trap porn or spam retarded memes in twitter or something

Will do ;)

"aliens" are demons

they are all around us

> Muh based psychedelics
> Hasn't read DMT: The Spirit Molecule

lots of ancient cultures, traditions, esoteric teachings and cults also say the same thing

Go away roach this thread is for humans only

Ok. I rather not support such a system if there are alternatives, and I know many others feel the same way.

Only weak minded individuals rely on drugs.

I suspect my source was R.Metzner in Sacred Vine of Spirits however I have also read The Psychotropic Mind: The World According to Ayahuasca and Iboga also Ayahuasca - The Sacred Psychedelic
pic was first I could find that is visually similar to the paintings I'm referring to.

Also tell Sir Francis Cricks and Ralph Abraham that LSD wasn't good for their science.

Lol OP got BTFO

This.

There seems to be a misconception here that as soon as you take a psych that you somehow instantly turn into "dude repeating universes bro".

Almost included your retort, Your predictable.
YES LOT OF PEOPLE DO FELL THIS WAS, me too and what happenss......

So i dont mind, they make some really good drugs cheep, where on the edge of time, do somthing about it if you care to that extent.

Are you one of those "IM HIGH ON LIFE I DONT DO DRUGS"-fags?

Danks for things to research

No, I'm one of the "drugs are for weak minded individuals"-fags.

A lot of people do feel that way. Good for you for not being too autistic to notice.

>do somthing about it if you care to that extent.
I am, that's what I'm saying. I buy alternatives when I think the alternatives are just as good/better.

Why are they for the weak minded, are you saying every person who experienced mind altering substances, including alcohol, are weakminded? How so?

Mein Beileid Kamerad. Not talking about DUDE WEED LMAO but psychedelics shouldnt be categorized with other drugs somehow. (((They))) dont want normies to wake up thats why its illegal and not accepted by society.

I did a lot of psychedelics in my teens and early 20s. Acid and shrooms. Did a double dose of Ayahuasca in my 30s. Came to same conclusion in my 30s that I had in my 20s: psychedelics are a distortion and hold no truths - only delusion.

Drugs are a mistake.

Hey you, OP.

What is your experience in pharmacology?

Could you elaborate why?

> t. Ex psychonaut with 90 IQ

>Kamerad
I don't remember serving with you. It's "Volksgenosse" if you wanted to meme Hitler, faggot.
THC is a psychedelic just like LSD, etc. There is nothing enlightening about poisoning your brain and make it produce errors.

Holy fuck you goddamn autist. Yes I finally noticed you. What's your point? Are you a pharmacologist? Do I have to be one to have an opinion?

Make your argument or spend the rest of your time convincing people you're a Ph.D on a Mongolian witchcraft board, otherwise shut the fuck up already. Jesus.

and ofc the only sane post is ignored

>you have to be smart to do psychedelics otherwise you gain nothing from it

What is this level of retarded logic?

took some mushrooms way back when when i was going through hardships, nothing too bad, just that time when you go from education to work, to living independently and my experience with it helped my smooth out my anxieties and past traumas that were holding back my growth into an adult.....im not saying i wouldnt have got there anyway but its a very quick and hard hitting way to get it done and is hella interesting. I think its a tool, not for recreation

Yea, you did not have a DMT breakthrough experience

Tell us what it was like. The whole thing.

Unfourtunetly this thread is filled with a sports team fan mentality than any actual discussion

it takes you on a trip...there are many ways to do it...LSD is one of them...nothing to see here move along

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, now what can that possibly do to the Amount of serotonin between synapses. Why are u flexing here?

Absolutely right, no argument here. I suffered permanent brain damage at the hands of psychedelics, and there's nothing I wouldn't give to have my old brain back.

No, I'm not a retard, it didn't make me slur my words or speech.

What it did was disrupt my brain's ability to maintain and stabilize my mood. Basically, the reverse of anti-depressants.

Still, life is worth living and through soul searching and perseverance, I'm here today.

It did teach me that life is frail, infinitely precious and wondrous. Every day is a blessing. (I'm an atheist, don't even start).

the universe is fractal, as is time.

np, also I may have read it in Cosmic Serpent - Jeremy Narby (reading so many books about these things I get a little muddled as what is in what)
Breaking Open The Head- D.Pinchbeck was a pretty pop drug-adventure book, along with The Underworld of the East - James E Lee or Blue Tide by Mike Jay bigger for more indepth sciencey books any of the previously mentioned books or McKenna's first book (the next few get a little out there) also read Iboga: Visionary Root of African Shamanism

good for some, bad for others

now everyone fuck off

>prove me wrong
>won't try to prove his points
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but why should anyone have to prove you wrong instead of you trying to prove yourself right?

What did you take and how much?

Also Shulgin's two books are a must if not already

You can have an opinion, but the moment you start saying your opinion is fact makes YOU the autist. Kys

Your greentext is a good parody and I think its true that psychedelics are bad for a person overall, but they do show you something that, unless you do them, you will probably never understand.

Stupid people label it a religious experience, but it shows you how your brain works when its really fucked up, and that can teach you something about how it works when you're sober.

>I'm an atheist
You may want to do some more research before resigning yourself to this conclusion.

Pick up a copy of Intro to Quantum Mechanics by Griffiths (and work through some exercises), read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis, and A Case For Christ by Strobel before finalizing your decision.

God bless.

Bullshitium
About one shit post

Amen. These people don't realize that these drugs that give them these "ultimate truths" are just lowering their ability to discern reality from theological speculation.

Good recs but most if not all Internet atheists are strongly ingrained in their atheism and as a result put it first rather than consider the alternatives
Personally I blame internet discussion culture but w/e
If anything I'll read em op

So you were LARPing?

Or is there a reason you don't want to explain your permenant brain damage on an anonymous message board, in a thread about psychs?

FPBP

James Watson predicted the correct structure of DNA before it was confirmed by x-ray crystallography, whilst tripping on DNA.

Kary Mullis figured out how to mass produce and replicate DNA from a single sample, for easy modification and analysis; his invention the PCR process patended and sold for $300 million at the start of the millenium, imagined the process whilst on DET (DMT derivative).

Truth is, when you start to learn a lot about the personal lives of chemists that performed ground breaking research, psychedelics go in hand with them.

?
Did you look at the ID's?

(first sentence), *acid, not DNA.

no sry, my bad

The serotonin theory of depression is bullshit desu senpai

You need some study in pharmacology before you can speak on it.
I don't believe in requiring a degree, but some working knowledge on neurotransmitters, receptors, and how these things WORK is required before you invoke them.

I'm not saying you cannot have an opinion on drugs. But don't pretend your opinion is fact unless you can back dat shit up.

And yes, I have knowledge in pharma. I have formal education in organic chemistry and chemical engineering and some pharmacology was part of the deal.

The DUDE WHOA shit isn't factual, correct.
But there is legit scientific research showing clear benefits to psychedelic use.
These drugs are so effective at aiding in fighting alcoholism, that was the first medical use investigated by early researchers.
It likely made the first researchers who tested these compounds on themselves, lose the desire to consume alcohol.

When i've consumed to much weed and the few time's i've done mushrooms, I have talked to the gods. Their is no other way to explain it, I have had the voices of the old "pagan's" in my head. I never understood what they have said. I've lain down and my friends asked me "are you okay?", and i have answered that "i am talking to vikings". I don't care what other people think, especially christ-fags, this is what i have experienced. And this was years before i ever read up on Norse mytholigy. The gods we're trying to tell me something. It's been three years since i did shrooms the last time, but I am going to do it again on Midsummer, far into the woods. I hope the gods will speak to me again. And if I die, so be it.

>poison
Except DMT is naturally synthesized in all our brains. Why would god/nature design us to constantly poison ourselves. Doesnt add up.

Psychedelics teach us that our senses are fallible and that there is more to how we interact with the world around us than we understand. Pysches allow us to view the world differently temporarily, and this gives us perspective. But its self discovery, they do not help woth the outside world. Folks who believe they discover truths about the universe thru psychedelics are often misguided, you are right. But there are absolutely lessons to be learned about ourselves, our problems, and how we sense and interact with the universe via psychedelics. Dont knock em til you try em.

The launch process goes off without a hitch... one huge lungful, and then a second to finish the bowl, but it's not as 'cloudy' smoke. But I go through the 'entry' of hyperspace like a 'blip' ... I'm just there, in a room, the playpen. It wasn't frenetically busy this time, but there was something going on that my arrival 'interrupted' ... like a class and I just came up through the floor and spooked the class!

I am now feeling very 'recognized' — there are young child-like beings expecting me. They show themselves as children, but this could be a disguise to 'buffer' the real form they have. They are totally non-threatening that way; cute, shy, but very explicitily 'there' and showing themselves. Still, some hide away in the background, but many sort of 'bask' in my gaze, letting me see.

Imagine a shrine-like space carved out into the wall; inside sits a child. I'm in the room looking at the walls, mesmerized but watching intently, as the wall is covered in 'hyperspace decor' ... coloured dots and bumps facets all over. This child is the least shy and I get to 'greet' it very deliberately, but it never leaves the altar space in the wall.

'Kids' run about pulling veils off all sorts of things, even showing themselves veiled and then covering up again. The kid in the shrine is the main one looking at me, the most completely 'unveiled'. What used to be a 'sneaky' way of revealing with the veil, now is more like "Ta dah!" ... See ... ! Kids curled up, hiding, crouching under veils... The playpen is occupied by kids 'in the walls' and running around the room.

The room is also occupied by the presence of a snake, flicking a tongue, and hiding behind the kid in the wall. DMT space has always had this flicking presence. I call it 'the snake' since it's taken on that image too, and flicked its tongue. The snake and kids are so familiar, and a constant in all my recent hyperspace launches.

Are you going to become a beserker now?
Also where the fuck do you get shrooms in Sweden? Literally the wrong climate for any sort of growth of psycilocibin

I say "please let me watch" ... and all that I know is that I'm not supposed to wander off too far, it's OK to watch what's here in the play pen ... An adult female being also appears and is like the 'caretaker' of the playpen... makes sure I don't 'wander' off... BUT I try to! and so we end up playing 'keep away' ... I'm like a bratty kid in the play pen wanting to run amok too!

Now outside, the play pen seems under a trap door, I emerged above it by going through a roof, that has now become a large, mirrored, pool table sized altar. Outside, since I see trees or jungle behind what appears to be an Aztec monument I am stanidng on, and I've emerged out of the top of it. The guardian figure chases me around the altar on top of this monument, which had become a huge mirrored table, and I try not to get caught ... then it's a game of 'woo hoo' look at me ... I'm here and I'm going to run around while I can ...! She quickly engages me in the game of catch, which has me going in circles anyways so I'm really 'caught' in this game of keep away. It's her job to keep me occupied... and she plays my game to get me back in her 'control' ... The altar-table is my portal back out, and I have to thank everyone again, for being so permissive of me ... I was disruptive, but I amused them. And it's OK, ... they'll have 'more' for me next time...

The re-entry is rapid, and I can't recall the actual exit. I know I was "there' quite clearly ... I had arrived in the play pen and immediately knew that place. I descend to after-images in 2D, feeling warm and somewhat satisfied I got to see and remember so much this time ...

Maybe because our body knows when and how much DMT to make?

Sure, I came to some profound conclusions about the universe while I was tripping. When I grew up I realized how much bullshit those were though.
You only think you've come up with something brilliant when you're on acid, in reality it's just your mind playing tricks on you, which, if you have the least bit critical thinking, you can see through.

Wow, hegelians? In MY Sup Forums ? Who would've thunk'd

The fact that you recommended his logic over phenom. Suggests you know what you're talking about

And there ya have it folks
Real life autism

>Never actually took any psychedelics

Shut the fuck up Donny, your out of you element.

Two tokes, lungs full, maybe 35- 45 mg in the bowl. I vapourize most or all of it ... and then I'm in that familiar place; kids, in the play pen. They all knew me this time, absolutely saying "Hi!" and "look" at us.

It was 'calmer' than last time I was there; the previous time I ended 'running around' like a brat, getting somehow led out of the 'playpen' by that behaviour. This time I stayed longer. I watched, the 'toys'that were being shown to me. And they were some toys! "Toys" were those "Logos"-covered creations, being held on outstretched hands or even worn as "hats" The children that were showing these amazing "blocks" seemed older than the rest; 8- or 10-year-olds, not toddlers and 5-year-olds. The older kids didn't run around and hide, they stood and showed me their "hats" and toys... I knew enough to think they're 'the toys' ...

Hyperspace 'music' was being played and 'portrayed' in the designs on the toys, that moved and changed; I had never seen music like this. The "music" was more like resonating harmonic sounds made by a metallic sounding 'instrument' ; coded harmonies. The snake in the wall was also still there; again I'm sure the snake is what some of the kids transform into. The kids seem 'real' or realistic, the snake is jewel-encrusted, semi-mechanical, in-organic or not a traditional "lifeform".

At what age did you take the psychs?

The transition to the next phase I can't recall; don't know if I went "up" or "down" ... Typically this has been a space that's 'up' again, that is incomprehensibly busy, and I have one guardian with me. This time it's not busy, but instead it was "crowded" ... I had different entities than the "kids", they flitted about like ghosts, or cloud-beings. They 'see' me and "want to play" with me. Whispering kind of greetings, pressing up against me as though I was in bubble that separated me from them with an invisible membrane. They surounded me, and laughed at my comments.

I wish I could recall what I said that got them all laughing. This was not the play pen any more, or that "set" had been removed. I mused that these were the beings that used to be busy at having to "run the universe" on a lunch break or something, they had time to tease me! At one point I even clapped my hands to see if I could "shoo" them away, all pressed around me, doing that face to face, sucking thing. ... I recalled the story McKenna related about certain entities becoming "pushy" and "wanting to make a deal". These were pick-pocket entities smothering me. That's why I clapped, and "shooed" them.

Then, once I had made a sound, clapping, I used my voice ... and holy moley did things 'respond' to my humming and clicking! These smothering entities hung around for a while, danced or somehow responded to my imagination. Synesthesia like that is awesome! I forget so much, I know, ... I remember saying "This I'm going to remember" ...! ... but nope.