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The alt-ri-

A single payer system, if done right, would be massively more efficient than the total corporatist hellhole we have now.

We should either have a total free market, or a total socialized system. Half-measures like we have now are always worse.

As much of a faggot this man is, he is right about this.

Trying to draw battle lines on healthcare in terms of left vs right is actually quite trivial if you would allow me to quote the late Jonathan Bowden:

"The real division between the Left and Right is not about people who support socialized medicine or even much more harsh measures, if you like, or divisive measures like ethnicity or abortion or whatever. The real division, philosophically, is those who believe that equality, enforced or otherwise, is a moral good (broadly the general Left) and those who believe—and are often are too frightened to say so—that inequality is a moral good, which is what the philosophical Right really believes in.

Even the most moderate center-Right figure, the John Majors of this world, talk about freedom, opportunity. If you have opportunity, you’ll have inequality even in a Marxian system. So, although they’re frightened to mention the I-word, if you like, all Rightist movements from the most moderate to the most radical, right across the spectrum, believe that inequality is inescapable, is a fact, has to be lived through, has to be dealt with, and is actually the way things should be."

Most people do not realize 1/6th of our GDP is medical related. It is hard to unravel their grip on our economy, but it must be done or it will only get worse.

>force doctor to provide healthcare for no pay

>not slavery

fuck off

Kek speaks

i always suspected pol in general was only WN but nothing actually right wing

it sounds right on a fundamental level but that would logically include no socialized medicine

I don't know too much about healthcare but an idea I thought up of that could help fix healthcare would be to erase the state lines to cause competition, set up regulations to keep the medicines at a set price, let people who have pre existing conditions get insurance and then set up a non aggressive or competitive government health care plan with set rates for low income people that would be a choice and wouldn't compete with the private companies but would make sure everyone can have insurance.

alt-right == controlled opposition

Can someone who knows more about healthcare tell me if this is a good idea or not and why?

Everything Donald said was actually in line with a single payer system.

Talking about making the price lower so everyone can have it controlling costs better

I think Donald is basically gonna pull out every stop to ensure he has an Eisenhower like legacy and I think he will give us single payer.

Use the catalog unless you're actively trying to shit up the board with repeating threads.

>force someone to waste 12 years of their life to become a doctor, rack up $200,000 in debt
>cheap healthcare

ya this issue is fuck all complex spergboy.
There should be a method to get that time down to 5 years where they hyper-specialize, thus reducing costs. That is the free market solution direction.

And not letting them run away with the prices that literally steal our wealth when we hit retirement age is not "slavery".

You do realize the current free market medical meme is so they can steal your 50-60 years of earnings so you can not pass it down to your kids?

gotta be a good goy and keep your family in their wealth bracket

fuckface

>A single payer system, if done right, would be massively more efficient
>Government
>Efficient

The free market create abundance, because it is efficient and productive. Do not rely on the government to provide you will stuff. it never ends well. They won't do what is necessary, they will take and take but never give.

The incentive, when government is in charge of healthcare, is to let citizens die, because it saves money.

we want a growing healthcare system that is competitive and serves the patients and only a free market tax free system with no regulation can do that.

NATIONAL SOCIALISM, leaf. A healthy white people's community is the Jew's worst nightmare.

the free market works in many cases. But it is a case by case basis. Medical bills kill any and all wealth a middle class has accumulated.

To be "right wing" doesn't mean you have to be in favor of total 100% laissez faire capialism. European right-wing parties generally don't have a platform of wanting to dismantle their healthcare systems.

Personally speaking, it has come to a point where I don't give a damn about what healthcare system, or what education system we have. I will support anyone who is in favor of keeping our countries white. If we lose the demographic battle, we lose all other battles.

Yes if you take it to it's logical conclusion, it would mean no socialized medicine. The point Jonathan was making is that too many people on the right base their worldview on material, superficial, surface-level ideas such as constitutionalism, free markets, guns etc. Not to say I have a problem with these things, its just it doesn't go far enough, it doesn't recognise the philosophical axiom upon which these ideas sit. The left know they are for equality and they are extremely vocal about it. Whereas many figures on the mainstream right would be too frightened to admit that some of their ideas are based in the acceptance of inequality, partly because in our society, equality is seen as a moral good and hence, the opposite value of inequality is seen as morally reprehensible. The challenge for the right, the real right, is to push the idea that right wing ideas are fundamentally hinged on inequality. And not inequality for its own sake but rather as an acceptance of human predisposition towards hierarchy and an acceptance of the fact that inequality exists between individuals and between groups.

One thing Comrade Sanders was right about. Putting every citizen on Medicare would save everyone a lot of money.

We could go a step further and mandate that all medical care businesses operate as non profits. Give medicare the ability to set prices.

>>force doctor to provide healthcare for no pay

What does this mean? Anyone can quit their job at any time. You can do that in a single payer system. All single payer means is changing how it's paid for. By society at large or by private insurance. It would just ensure that they'd have the resources to care for people.

Like, can a doctor right now legally tell dying people to fuck off? Or that they'll only treat people with brown hair but not the blondes? Doctors have to treat people anyways. They don't have "freedom". Because that's their job. If they don't like it, they can quit.

>Believing Rand's meme-tier """argument"""

Good goy!

Also
>Repubs whine and cry about "MUH OBAMACARE!" saying how terrible it is
>Have absolutely no way to effectively replace it, no plan.

Face it, the only reason Republicans hated ACA is because Democrats came up with it. If Republicans had come up with it, they would have hailed it as a great success, even if it was the exact same way it is now. They're just buttmad because Republicans always have to be contrary to what democrats do, no matter what.

It means he's just parroting the retarded bullshit Rand postulates about a socialized healthcare system, despite it being just that, complete bullshit. His argument reeks of an emotional, not rational or logical response.

i doubt he plan on making price lower by paying for it I think he means better negotiation and removing the state limits for more competition
I don't think he's a national socialist. He said before getting punched ''im not a nazi. These people hate me actually'' (which is true)
>To be "right wing" doesn't mean you have to be in favor of total 100% laissez faire capialism.
There's a world of nuance between 100% laissez-faire and being against something as fundamental as this.
>I will support anyone who is in favor of keeping our countries white.
same. Id rather live in a white socialist country than and multicult shithole. I'd also rather live in a white libertarian society over a socialist one. The goal here is just to show that the alt-right isnt right wing its basically just WN.
inequality just sound so bad no way you could sell that talking point in a democracy.

I really want to know if they are okay with a doctor telling dying people to fuck off or if they can give arbitrary treatment. Because by their "Freedom" argument, this is exactly what they're implying. But I would strongly suspect they'd throw a shitstorm if a story like this came out:

>Man dies because doctors refused treatment

There'd be calls for the doctors to be fired or charged.

>Medical bills kill any and all wealth a middle class has accumulated.


Only because the gov't creates market distortions through over regulation.

>the right believe that "the world isnt fair", the left believe "the world can be fair if you just give us all the political power we promise to not fuck you over this time"

sounds about right.

>Anyone can quit their job at any time. You can do that in a single payer system.
This is why you have a doctor shortage and obscene wait times. This is why your wealthy come to the US for medical services.

>and obscene wait times.

This is literally a right wing scare mongering meme. No healthcare system is perfect, and the Canadian system has some problems, but it's way better than the American system.

America could fix healthcare in under a year and light a firecracker under the economy

Americans claim they pay low tax compared to other developed nations, which is not even true, then healthcare is a "private expenditure" on top of that

Good goy free marketeers (they think they are free market) will stand in the way

Americans end up paying twice what I pay for healthcare. They're okay with this since it's "private" and I pay a "tax". If you propose a tax they throw a shit fit.

ya, no. When a situation arises where market entry is not only expensive but riskey, monopolies easily arise.
sorry I don't subscribe to the "free market cures all" meme. That is bullshit .
You know it.
I know it.
Belive me.

>inequality just sound so bad no way you could sell that talking point in a democracy.
Well of course. Liberalism won the culture war long ago. I'm not pretending it will be easy to reverse, it will be slow and painful.

If we simply resort to the level of regulation the US had in the 1920s for the medical industry, healthcare would be a lot cheaper in the long-run.

It didn't start getting expensive until we began restricting the supply of physicians in the 1950s through licensing their occupation. Also Medicare and Medicaid reimbursed hospitals on a percentage of their total costs, so they had an incentive to heavily raise costs to increase profits without the downside.

Yeah the Republicans are the constant contradictory ones! They are to blame for not agreeing with the Democrats! The Dems can do no wrong! Nevermind the silent protest last night! Or all the other times they never cooperated!

if they love their job
they'd do it for free

I would never go to a doctor who was only doing it for the money.

how about no. i like milking the plebs for all they are worth.

I said earlier in the thread something along these lines. If we want to go the free market route, these medical graduates need to not have to spend 12 years of their life in school and residency.

Hyperspecialize the students, cut the time in half (also remove the residency meme)

Sorry if I went to school for 12 years and had $200,000 in debt to pay off you bet your ass I am going to charge you to shit for any service.

Don't think that is going to happen.

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>Single-player
What did he mean by this?

>Be European
>Be under autocratic/monarch style control for centuries
>Grow up seeing autocratic styled healthcare as the norm

>Be American
>Be under wild west/ Libertarian lifestyle for more than 2 centuries
>Grow up seeing wild west libertarian styled healthcare as the norm

Different strokes for different folks there's no fucking need for one another to conform to another's lifestyle

News flash: That guy is a gigantic faggot, if you haven't figured it out already.

This. I don't understand why libshits are so stupidly in love with Obamacare. It's a fucking mandate that forces you to buy into the market. All that happens at that point is prices get raised. Even worse, since I'm a male my premiums would rise a metric fuckload because you can't charge based on gender and women get more healthcare

It's fucking bullshit

Very creative post Mahmoud

>>force doctor to provide healthcare for no pay

FUCK DOCTORS AND FUCK INDIA POO IN LOO.

>Richard Spencer
>Leaf

Obvious troll

it's more of a post-WWII thing. Brits had to socialize med b/c they had to ration out care.

>A single-payer healthcare system.
Kek.

hehehe

We could just go the Russian route and drink vodka to heal our cancer and broken limbs.

Docs don't set prices, hospital administration does.

Also you're seeing you'd be comfortable with a surgeon that hasn't had any extensive supervised real world experience?

These people aren't mechanics you dumb fuck.

DON'T REPLY TO SLIDE THREADS YOU IDIOTS

Seriously Russians have the most retarded snake oil cures for everything. My boss thinks smoking tobacco reduces your chance of dementia.

>The incentive, when government is in charge of healthcare, is to let citizens die, because it saves money.

Are you daft? It only saves money if the person is economically unviable. A living healthy tax paying citizen who is fit enough to serve in the military is GOAT all unproductive fat bodied NEETS and poor people belong in the gas chambers.

Obama took Romney care, and wanted to tweak it by adding the Public Option. Then the PO got killed by (((Lieberman))). The PO would be a great addition. As it stands, Obamacare is kinda shit, but it does make some nice changes, like banning not covering people for prior conditions.

Don't be insecure, it's just me, I have seen this term for the first time in my life.

Yeah it does some nice things, but these things should all be their own individual component. Megalaws suck because it's harder to change and tweak because every kicks and screams about losing the stuff they like in favor of the stuff nobody else likes