Was the holocaust real...

Was the holocaust real? And if it was real were Hitler's actions morally wrong if he exterminated Jews for the betterment of humanity? Redpill me boys I don't know what to think

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yes it was real, it was 2 million jews rather than 11 million, yes it was a good thing.

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Be Hitler

Be planning Barbarossa

Hate jews already because you didn't understand the British and blame the jews for why they won't ally with you

Get projected figures on food shortfall

Go wtf am I feeding jews that aren't employed in war industries for?

Thats basically how it started.

if real: stalin
but there is plenty enough evidence against it being real
the farthest I would personally go would be death squads "allegedly" outright killing commie jews "allegedly" killing something between 45 and 1100k commies, but take note that many of those statistics are from "Holocaust" books

In eastern europe there were executions of Jews as well as of Slavs. I understand this perhaps isn't a solid answer but regardless they did happen over there.

What did Jews do to deserve being victim to genocide? What's the deal with Jews?

>Hate jews already because you didn't understand the British and blame the jews for why they won't ally with you

Yes this is why Hitler hates jews and not because they spread degeneracy wherever they set root

A lot of this happened because the native population took revenge on the jews because most NKVD officers and communist party members that came in with the soviet occupation force were jews and did all the killings and deportations of Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Ukrainians

>the Jew who roleplays as a murderer who is someone good
>the Jew who says it happened but it's small
>thr white that says that it never happened and there were no special murders or crimes to non existent Jewish population.

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There were no gassings of people in those terrible labor camps if that's what you're asking.

Sure, that sometimes did happen yet other times the Germans would shoot up villages because 1 or 2 of their guys died. 50 people for 1 soldier as the saying goes. My grandmother and her family knew that too well if one of the partisans managed to kill a german soldier what would happen. Although not all were inherently bad of course, some got along okay with the villagers I guess.

Well that was how things were done back than, I think it wasnt even illegal.

Its the only option if you want to hold the territory.

You should have done it in iraq

>yes it was real
Nope. The Nazis were just very irresponsible with their temporary slave-labor and future mass-deportation camps.

>2 million Jews
Fuck outta here, Shekelberg. It was a million if I'm being generous.

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Grandpa is still an ardent antisemite with his 91 years lel

It was more like 2 million than 6 million, and they were communist subversives.

We interned the Japanese during WW2 because we were at war with them. What happened in German was similar.

Why would he ever like his enemy the JEw?
God bless his noble heart.

Jews have been kicked out of every country they set foot in by our ancestors. But lol it's because of ignorance that we hate them :)

Whatever your thoughts on it there's no disputing the whole Nazi thing backfired.

Yes, but it was greatly exaggerated. Yes, it was a good thing. Cock mutilators deserve to die.

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The arguments on both sides have been beat to death a million times on this board but I will say

1.) There is shilling that goes on both sides; fake doctored doctored photos by stormfags showing """"doctored""""" photos made by (((historians))) to rile their side up and re-enforce the idea that absolutely no one died and that Hitler was a great guy even though his stupid wars got millions and millions of whites killed in addition to maybe several million jews. We can't be quite sure how many died which brings me to my second point

2.) Any claim of any extreme numbers of death tolls should be taken with enormous skepticism, there's no real way to tell the exact numbers of Jews killed and one thing that stormfaggers get right is that (((historians))) and other jew shills will inflate estimated holocaust death numbers with wartime death numbers of jews; jews who died as collateral damage, ones who died in combat etc, without making the distinction between their claims of intentional ethnic cleansing or typical casualties of war.

3.) In addition to not knowing how many people died it's unclear the means that were used to kill the holocaust victims if any unnatural means were used. I'm sure there were targeted mass killings as well as intentional executions but the bodies you see being stacked up 6 feet in the air in history class most likely died of typhus combined with starvation. This is how most of the victims died in the holocaust, it corresponds with typhus outbreaks being common at that time.

4.) It's unclear if Hitler or a majority of the upper echelons of the third reich actually intended to commit a genocide. We have some ambiguous statements from Goebbels and others on what the true final solution was but I think it's a stretch to say that there is any definite evidence that genocide was the original goal. There were definitely individuals within the reich who had talked about mass extermination but by no means was there a unified consensus.

Thats the high profile German merchant mayor, who was responsible for the anti trump carnival trucks in Dusseldorf.

Hitler was to empathic!

You know realize the villagers were sometimes also hurt and killed by the partisans who being given guns and freedom could do what they liked? Also rational and coherent laws would be um perhaps be infinitely better at conquering a territory's people instead of executing people who were at the wrong places at the wrong time. Now I'm just saying this, I don't expect to reply but really in places such as Ukraine it'd be real good if the civilians weren't starved and motivated to fight against bolshevism which they hated. Because there were indeed lots of people who could of been put to good use.....

It literally never happened

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Keeping going because I do like talking about this admittedly.

Also, if the end goal was to exterminate every last Jew, why keep them in camps? There are several documentaries that utterly dismantle any claims of gas being used to exterminate prisoners, were there attempts at experimenting? yes, but it's extremely inefficient and if the end goal was to exterminate all Jews it would have been much faster, cheaper and easier just to line them all up and shoot them, which I'm sure happened and I don't deny that people suffered or that there were some cruel motherfuckers in the SS but it's irresponsible to make a lot of the claims many of these faux historians and people make which indicates something extremely sinister is going on with the amount of effort these people put in to keep people from researching anything other than trying to find evidence of even more deaths and carnage.

His father torched the synagogue so I guess its in the family..

I am not saying it was a good idea to treat them like shit, on the other hand its not like we had enough food for ourselves at the end

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Yeah, Jew prisoners should be fed and millions were.

Also I have to add it heavily depends on who you ask.

Some east europeans say it was far better under our rule than soviet rule and a lot of them fled with the wehrmacht towards the west.

Partisans fought the soviets til the mid 50's in the Baltics and Balkans

Haha I knew that video with that German vet..

My grandfather volunteered in school after the message of the Stalingrad loss

Jew bankers were raping Germany and its peoples for years. Hitler rose to power and kicked them all out and completely revitalized Germany by printing its own currency and within a few years they were an economic powerhouse.

You can see why the world's Jewry declared war on Germany before anyone else.

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1488 kek good timing

>grandma from germany
>survived allied bombings etc
>thanksgiving
>sister non there because her Jewish boss wouldn't let her have work off for black friday
>i say 'mr goldstein wouldn't let her off cuz he needed the shekels eh?'
>Grandma bursts out laughing

She knows, I know but nothing needs to be said

Didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing that out.

>HoloHoax
FTFY

my paternal grandmother was shot at by a strafer when she was 14, riding her bicycle back home from the BDM work duty through the fields.

my materlan grandmother always said "poeple who were in a KZ did something to get them there" kek

millions of people, depopulating poland by 50%.

I want to know how banks and the aristocrats orchestrated and benefited from WWII.

Like, I believe the gas chambers were in existence and used, but I also saw some reports that they were planning on moving large populations of people to Madagascar or some weird shit.

Can someone give me a relatively quick rundown?

that can't be right, 600,000 Jews of Germany? everyone knows 6 million died, with 14 million in the world almost half the worlds news died in Germany. must be a typo

It was war and shit happened but learn your world history and the Jewish lies become apparent

There really was an attempt to incarcerate and possibly exile all the Jews in Germany. The claim that 6,000,000 Jews were actively exterminated by the Nazis is at best drastically exaggerated and at worst an outright lie.

Kek...

How should we feel about the decline of our great race? Accepting or defiant? Is there still hope?

to me its a ping pong between rage and depression all day

Most "German" atrocities of the war were false flags

As more people take in the jewish degeneracy more people open their eyes to the truth. I believe there is hope still. It'll be a hell of a ride but I'm sure we'll reclaim our rightful places.

Here's the real redpill boy: we are being raided because Congress located the three billion dollar DOJ slush fund Obama set up to funnel government money to political activists.

And many atrocities remain unmentioned...

That's no way to be. I've been there in the past myself. Whatever may be the bext course for any of us to take independently is to create a career for ourselves, have as strong a network of friends irl as possible, be healthy (exercise and eat well and no drugs) and to find a good white woman and make a family. There's a lot of good in life if we reach out and take it.

I am hopeful too. I think our message should focus on our own positive attributes and not simply blame others or we start to sound like blacks. A positive story about our people and the history of our civilisation is easy to write and should be our focus going forward. Young white people coming after us should be allowed to be proud where we weren't and this is the key to renaissance.

Its just so hard to go back to normal when you know all of this, I can barely relax anymore, I am just thinking all day

The national socialist uprising will make the world tremble and be empowered by the spirit of our fuhrer, with the righteousness of the power of truth. You must pick sides and it sounds like you already failed with internalized defeats

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We National Socialists are the defenders, the nobles, the righteous, the moral, the good people, the filth of hell murderers and thieves are our opponents.

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Maybe take a break from this stuff. I did. it doesn't mean you are abandoning your beliefs or your cause. You are no good to any cause anyway if you don't look after yourself first.

I'm guessing you're young. Go out, have fun and be active and healthy. The world is not your responsibility at this point in your life.

Look after yourself and be happy. Try a new activity, try talking to a counsellor and see if they're the right one for you, and when you're ready develop a plan for your life in terms of employment and having fun with friends.

I can tell you're smart, you're fluent in two languages and interested in what's going on in the world. That puts you well ahead of most people out there and means if you find an interest or an ambition in your own life you can pursue it and find fulfillment. Politics shouldn't be the focus of your life until you are old. Your own happiness and self-sufficiency should be.

Good luck. I'm sure you can make a good life for yourself. Give it a go.

>Meet Your Asian Love Today
I kekked.

Why go back to normal? My life is so much better after I realized the truth. From a young age I knew something was wrong. You're able to spot the bullshit and protect yourself and your loved ones from it. Your circle of friends can be weeded out by who's a mindless drone and who understands what's behind the curtains.
You're a good man. Good luck in your life friend. May we meet some day side by side fighting the kikes out of our homelands.

Thanks, that was kind of uplifting.

But on the other hand I feel like I am giving in and betraying the cause because the degeneracy is almost everywhere now.

Good friends go to fucking hookah bars and dont think about what they are actually doing there.

Smoking weed lel its fun xDD haha

I mean I am 24 I already did a lot of stupid shit and stuff, I was always on the right wing politically speaking but now when the change accelerated so much and you can see it live in your own city it just fucking sucks.

Everyone is a consumeris airhead just interested in talking about his tinder fucks and where to get a cheap vacation and shit.

I just dont want to accept that you have to lose your idealism just because you grew older.

Thats a shitty world if it was the case.

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I am trying to convince people, I always did and it works but just to a certain point.

You would not believe how hard it is to get people to genuinely believe that we should have won the war.

You have to be a history autist like me to put all that time into the reading, most of my peers are just not interested and I cant really blame them.

I think we need to understand that most people are mental plebs, not pretorians.

So we have to guide them and not to explain everything in detail; they would not understand or it would take too long.

Its a real shame. she was telling me about how she had to live in a barn bc the allies bombed her town into nothing.

I said that was pretty cruel and ultimately unnecessary but she just waved it off and dismissed without wanting to make a judgement.

>supporting genocide because muh degeneracy

Those generation was fucking tough.

3 weeks ago I was at their house and of course as always she went backwerds through her carpet ridden house without her walking frame while talking to me and fell into a porcelain vase that cut open her hand deeply and made her bleed like a stabbed pig so I had to get her up and drive her to the hospital to get stitched up but she didnt say one fucking tone about how it hurts or something, not even an "ouch"

no one supports murder to any race.

>tolerating degeneracy to get genocided

really smart

t. Kike

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I don't think you're betraying anything. Like I said, I took a break -I needed to, and it didn't change my loyalties or my pro-western stance.

You have to live your own life and make your own way in the world or you're no good to anyone or anything.

24 is young. First of all enjoy your life and build a career and friendships and eventually a family for yourself. Don't ever think there's anything wrong with that.

Look at the people who have effected change in the world, they all worried about themselves and their own lives first. Many of them were seekers of wealth and pleasure and largely indifferent to politics when they were younger.

Look at what Trump's focus was when he was in his 20s. University, work and pleasure. He's far from perfect but he's done more for free speech and standing up to the current political orthodoxies (in particular opposing immigration and criticising Islam) than anyone else I've seen in my life. He wasn't letting the problems of the world weigh him down, he was working and having fun.

Go enjoy life and start building and don't ever feel guilty. ;-)

You are right. That actually helped me. I will give it a try.

A couple of milliom Jews died. But mostly by starvation and disease. There were no has chambers or systematic genocide etc.

Hanz its going to be ok

Gas*

It was about one million Jews perishing due to lack of supplies at workers camps because the allies bombed the supply routes. Other causes were typhus, which they burnt the dead in ovens. Reminder, these ovens take a few hours to cremate, thus it would be impossible to cremate much less than a couple million in the few years the Reich in power. The so called gas chamgers were used for delousing mattreses and clothes.

Good luck man ;-)

Read "The Myth of German Villainy," faggot

He used Germany's hatred of the internal jew to torture and massacre human beings and created a test lab for further expanding the Zionist agenda.
Hitler was one of the biggest (((Jews))) of all.

Don't forget to mention the lampshades and the soap, goyim.

He hated them before that, but he hated them much much more over the British thing.

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Sauce?

I agree on all counts

The claim that they lined up 6 million Jews to execute them, after a period of ambiguous labor, in very elaborate and expensive ways is fucking stupid. I'm sick of certain topics being "taboo." This is fucking stupid as shit. The mainstream narrative of the holocaust is a fucking lie, full stop.

I know at the very least, his causes were just.

Well Hitler thought that the Jews hands were too much into too many things in Germany. He thought their movies depiction of Adultery, and homosexuality in movies as entertainment would eventually rip the moral fabric of German Families. He thought they had their hands too much with the banks, and politics, and he wanted it to be in the hands of the Germans. So it's said the Jews were upset, and "Declared war on Germany" So Jews across the world boycotted Germany. Here's what gets me, if he hated all Jews, why would he be Christian? Jesus was of Jewish Background. Never the less, was it real? Well they sure like to push it in our face here in America on a constant basis, as if the U.S didn't help them. It's true they own the movie and music industry, it's true they own the banks, it's true they own the news papers, it's true they have the power to suede the masses so would it really be too hard to write history how you want to if you have the money, the power, and restrict people to see and hear only what you want them too?. So questioning the Holocaust in some countries will land you in prison. So you are not allowed to ask about it. You're suppose to just accept 6 million jews were murdered with out asking question for yourself. At the same time there are Holocaust survivors, people whove been through a lot. Would you call them a liar if you seen them face to face? Or could you see the terrors in their eyes of the hands of pure evil when telling their accounts of what had happened? Because after all if it wasn't for the SS taking a night stick and bashing jews over the head with it, hitting them harder each time till their skull caved in, we wouldn't have the brain trama treatment we have today, we wouldn't have psychology and the effects of blunt force trauma. Since the SS documented it, the U.S gov took SS Nazi Germans and cleared them of all war crimes in return for their knowledge on Rocket engineering in turn creating the birth of NASA, psychology

For all the dumb economic moves he's gonna do, he at least hits the reset button on the nature of discourse and the role of the media in the US. That's actually more than most presidents ever accomplish.

well obv i think the 6 million figure could be atleast shrinked by the factor 10 ,but still i think there was some removal for the sake of killing jews. The preferred solution would be eviction but the german state didnt wanted to pay for that in a war for survival ,so the jews who were poor kinda got assfucked ,what is important to know though is that every communist movement was heavily jewish and like this jews were a negative influence. But i dont hink jews are a race of evildoers who are out to destroy whites ,but still they did fuck over germans much.

4 years is enough times .what is the size of that oven?there are traces of their belongings and hair at auschwitz

Hitler was about rebuilding Germany, and it's economics. So what would be the point of housing a bunch of jews wasting money on them if his ultimate goal was to terminate them in the end? Why not just hunt them down like dogs and put a bullet in their skull instead of rounding them up like cattle and putting them in camps? From an economic stand point it would be cheaper to of offed them with a bullet instead of house them, right? So then I ask, Why would he spend all that money on murdering them in deranged ways rather than just offing them. Something about that just seems off about the whole thing. Plus if jews own hollywood, movies and the music industry, news outlets t.v shows, the banks and wallstreet and our world is turning more chaotic, perverse twisted (not to say some of it isn't fun and funny) everyday Im sitting here lifting an eye brow and scratching my head here about how can fk us over, but poor them. and that's only if they are running the show.

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> be typhus
> spread by lice
> be shaved off Jew heads and gassed off Jew clothes
> do you even history at all?

All Nazis are fags

Coming from the queer with dicks saved on his computer?

It was not real hews may have died but 2 million like you said were gassed which is what you are implying, no one was gassed

300,000, all died because of typhus and Allied blockades on supply lines.
>not a single can of zyklon B was used to kill Jewish (((people)))

Anyone have the holocaust math I was trying to post, they would of had to of killed and burned a Jew every 2 minutes iirc