Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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communism doesnt work economically or socially

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Love you comrades

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Those born in the 1980's and onward have not only been subject to Marxist propoganda through their schools, but are the first generation to also be brought up by parents who grew up surrounded by the same propaganda... So the big red pill for us is Cultural Marxism

The great insight gained by the Frankfort school was to divorce Marxism from economics, and marry Marxism to the Culture, and the fruit of this fundamental change of strategy is known as Critical Theory.

You're lil' coddle bots programmed to lash out violently at trigger words. That's what you're literally doing now. The left, flamed by Cultural Marxism, are literally the current day bigots and crusaders. 'Diversity' is now essentially code for white-genocide. Any opposing belief, idea, concept, or argument is met with 'mob justice' and violence.

Crazy European Immigration Crisis:
>youtube.com/watch?v=S4K4okVa7dU

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Cultural Marxism in action, political correctness. The tip of the blade:
>youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

The History of Political Correctness (Complete)
>youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs

Yuri Bezmenov: Ideological Subversion
>youtube.com/watch?v=xFqShpJm_zc

[Documentary] Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

LET US WELCOME THE USEFUL (((Marxist))) IDIOTS:
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Criticism without alternative reinforces the Narrative.
Opening up the criticism to alternatives disconnects yourself from the Narrative.
Giving the target a chance to erode the Narrative by responding to the alternatives is an attack against the Narrative.
If the Narrative is internalized, any attack against it is an attack against you.

Goals of Marxism:
1) Destroy the Family
2) Destroy Private Property
3) Destroy Religion
4) Destroy the Nation

i love my comrades. i even love the reactionary nazi's who are misguided. abandon idpol

>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
We tried that. We've seen our neighbour countries trying that. None ever succeed on the basis of it. It's absolute shit. Communism doesn't work well with human nature and in every instance it was ever tried it didn't work.

In theory it's nice, but it's naive, with obvious flaws that can be exploited and no proper safeguards.

If communism is the next stage, it means it's a stage before brakdown of civilization and everything turning to shit.

You know what to do lads, SAGE and push to bump limit.

ROLL

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SAGE

fuck communism and fuck niggers

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sage

Also, fuck communists

>the state as such will 'wither away'
communism is the fastest way for a state to gain total control. it's a scam. that's why this last step never happens.

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sage

Also, the only good communist is a dead commnunist

sage

Also, communists want universal retardation

Communism is a stage of societal evolution the same way that Unicorns are a stage of equine evolution. Its the make believe stage.

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Also, this

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Also, kys

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Also checked

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Also, in my past life, I was killed by a communist

>when your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses

sage

Also, fuck communism

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When your ideology is so fucking retarded that the only people you can convince to implement it are uneducated peasant farmers, who you later have to murder and starve to death because they refused to have all their crops stolen by the state.

But "communism is inevitable" says the politico-sociologist.

>Capitalist pigdog nation of the USA
>So much excess that even the poor are obese

>Glorious Russia
>So defficient that even the Heroin is a bootleg knock-off

Man, I wonder why nobody wants to be a commie...

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>when your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses

>when your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses

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>when your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and your retarded system collapses

Economic prosperity directly correlates with economic freedom.
>Hong Kong and Taiwan vs China
>USA vs Soviet Union and Russia
>Switzerland vs France
>Cold War West Europe vs East Europe
>Chile vs Venezuela
>South Korea vs North Korea

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Communist Jew scum. Human rats. Sage.

>Those born in the 1980's and onward have not only been subject to Marxist propoganda through their schools
Then why are most kids in highschool and college liberals? Why is it I could go onto a college campus right now and ask every single kid there, and almost none of them would be able to explain the labor theory of value, differentiate between private property, personal property, common property, or any other basic marxist concept?

>The great insight gained by the Frankfort school was to divorce Marxism from economics, and marry Marxism to the Culture
Except, yet again, the attitudes of a typical student are those of liberals, they hate businesses and rich people (never mind Karl Marx never hated rich people, he just hated the mechanism that they had to operate under) and want the government to solve the problem (Communism is about getting RID of the government, along with classes and private property), this can go even further, students do not care about the working class, they do not care about revolution, etc etc.

>You're lil' coddle bots programmed to lash out violently at trigger words.
Yeah man the lefties are just totally triggered bro.

>That's what you're literally doing now.
What?

>'Diversity' is now essentially code for white-genocide. Any opposing belief, idea, concept, or argument is met with 'mob justice' and violence.
Fun-fact: Capitalism is the reason why you have blacks and other minorities in the USA, Canada, etc. Multi-culturalism is endemic to capitalism, because it requires massive growth of the market and the laborers in order for more wealth to be generated. This is literally in the first pages of the communist manifesto.

>1) Destroy the Family
No, Karl Marx opposed bourgeoisie marriage, which was marriage done solely for monetary purposes, not for the sake of love.

>2) Destroy Private Property
...and turn it into common property.

>3) Destroy Religion
No not really.

>...and turn it into common property.
Why should my possessions be stolen from me?

>Then why are most kids in highschool and college liberals?
Liberals are basically just diet socialists.

>Except, yet again, the attitudes of a typical student are those of liberals, they hate businesses and rich people (never mind Karl Marx never hated rich people, he just hated the mechanism that they had to operate under) and want the government to solve the problem (Communism is about getting RID of the government, along with classes and private property), this can go even further, students do not care about the working class, they do not care about revolution, etc etc.
That depends on whether you're talking about the communism that only exists in philosophers' heads or the communism that has actually affected the world in China, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Eastern Europe, Africa, etc.

>and turn it into common property
Which is just public property, which is just government property.

>No not really
Well, then Marx should've been more clear on that because his followers certainly tried to do their best to destroy religion.

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>lists 8 failed socialist societies
What did he mean by this?

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They failed because the higher class interfered, afraid of losing power. How is this not clear to you?

Communism is not natural

It will always fail

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>promises to destroy nation-states, religion, and western ideals of freedom
>expects no resistance

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Private property are not "possessions". You possess a TV, you possess a toothbrush. You do not get to possess a factory, because it produces for society, and you do not work in it. The people who work in the factory are the ones who make everything, even the machines in the factory were not made by you, they were made by many workers in yet another factory. Why is it that someone makes $100 of value and hour, and you determine that they only get $10? You can argue that the remaining $90 are used to invest in the company, but as we see in any sufficiently large company, they do not reinvest money into the company, or they merely reinvest a small amount, the board of directors decide to use it in other ways (often bribing politicians).

If workers made the factories and workers use the factories to make products, why does a non-worker get to take the majority of the wealth?

I thought people were entitled to the full value of their labor under communism? Whatever happened to that?

>>promises to destroy nation-states, religion, and western ideals of freedom

Resistance of cucks and their masters.

>when you're so angry that your safe space was interrupted that you spam threads full of dissenters

>muh communism
Take a helicopter ride kiddo, it's free.

>promises to destroy slavery, oppression and ideals implanted inside your head by your masters
>expects no resistance from foreigners it has nothing to do with
ftfy

>promises to take away all my wealth, my job, my home, and my children
>I'm a cuck for opposing that
Whatever you say senpai

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>Private property are not "possessions"
But it is, it's an object that I own and thus should rightfully decide how it is used and under what conditions.

I'm sure your house could shelter a lot of society's workers, mind if I crash in your living-room for a few weeks?

I thought communism was a global ideology? You guys really need to read up more on communism, have you even read any of Karl Marx's books?

>Red Army
>Nationalist faction
>Pinochet
>foreigners

>Liberals are basically just diet socialists.
Jesus Christ just because maybe they care about black people or some shit doesn't suddenly mean they want to get rid of the government (and either be anarchists or establish a new government with a vanguard party), and have workers own the means of production.

>That depends on whether you're talking about the communism that only exists in philosophers' heads or the communism that has actually affected the world in China, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Eastern Europe, Africa, etc.
Yeah, the Communism in philosopher's heads only happened in pic related. Never mind the historical foundation of the USSR or any historical nuances as to why these countries you're listing went bad. Let's also completely pretend Venezuela is socialist because John Stossel says it is, and that multiple african countries have tried socialism.

>Which is just public property, which is just government property.
No it fucking isn't, if you don't know the difference between Private Property, Personal Property, Public Property, and Common Property, and more importantly, the history of them, you just shouldn't be speaking on this subject.

>Well, then Marx should've been more clear on that because his followers certainly tried to do their best to destroy religion.
Elaborate

If it is established in one country, workers of the world will follow suit.

Marx only described the endgame, but left it to others to figure out how to get there.

Stalinism =/= Communism

Stalin was more of an imperialist.

>doesn't suddenly mean they want to get rid of the government
Neither do socialists

>Yeah, the Communism in philosopher's heads only happened in pic related
>lists 18 failed socialist societies
What did he mean by this?

>if you don't know the difference between Private Property, Personal Property, Public Property, and Common Property
I disagree with the communist definitions of property, just like I disagree with their definitions of labor or value.

>Elaborate
"religion is the opium of the people" can come across a lot like a command to destroy religion. Heck, I've talked to commies on these boards who think Marx was telling everyone that religion had to be destroyed.

>If it is established in one country, workers of the world will follow suit
Except for the part where that's never happened, and certainly not for lack of trying.

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Lumpenproletariat is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.

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No for fuck sake private property is something with which production can occur from. You do not own factories, other's made them. It's like you aren't even reading anything.

>You do not own factories
So if I build a factory, I'm not entitled to the full value of my labor?

>other's made them
Do they own them?

I've got to ask for all the people funposting in the thread, has anyone actually been RED pilled from this retarded Spaniard's posts?

Does anyone actually do anything in these generals besides bully Commies?

As I said, just the interference of slavers who want to be allowed to own slaves again.

If it was up to me, the next time we try it, we should punish the provocateurs by killing their families. That'll teach them to treat others as equals.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill

Is it impossible to be happy in capitalist society?

Seeing how in most capitalist societies even the poorest of people have enough food to become obese, I'd say so.

These some nasty ass waifus senpai, but I'll roll anyway to help kill this thread.

>Neither do socialists
The goal of socialism is communism, which is a stateless society.

>What did he mean by this?
And what had to happen to make them fail? Why is it that capitalists need to spend massive amounts of money to stop socialists if socialism is a flawed idea that doesn't work? Nevermind the fact that people were more prosperous under socialist rule in that picture.

>"religion is the opium of the people" can come across a lot like a command to destroy religion. Now use the whole quote in context.

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The American working class hates communism user, and the working class people who are armed in America are basically the right-wing militias.

You're gonna have a hard time convincing people here to give up most of their comfort and wealth for the scarcity and equality of communism.

Kek

>hurr durr im karl marx. a jewish banker ironically financed my writing career for no apparent reason

>people were more prosperous under socialist rule in that picture.
Why is Allende in that picture then?

>as foretold by the prophet marxhammed

What does building a factory entail? If you make the shovel and pickaxe yourself, mine the ore yourself, make the foundry yourself to melt the metal, then build the machines for the factory yourself with the tools you made yourself, till the land for your factory yourself, and then make the building for the factory yourself, make the computer to program the machines yourself, program the machines yourself, and continuously get the materials necessary for the products made in your factory yourself, then yes, you do own it. The thing is that no one human being has done that before in human history, which is why you don't own it.

Multiple thousands of people were involved in every factory, no one man can say he owns it, hence why factories should be considered common property, like the commons of the past used to be. Unfortunately the commons were taken over by capitalists, BY FORCE, and as such all common property has been replaced by private property or public property (and government property is just as bad as private property).

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Hello Comrade, revolution when?

>The goal of socialism is communism
Right, but that's not how it tends to work out.

>Why is it that capitalists need to spend massive amounts of money to stop socialists if socialism is a flawed idea that doesn't work
By that logic socialism is even more flawed because the USSR had to spend so much money that it collapsed in on itself

>Nevermind the fact that people were more prosperous under socialist rule in that picture.
Economic prosperity directly correlates with economic freedom.
>Hong Kong and Taiwan vs China
>USA vs Soviet Union and Russia
>Switzerland vs France
>Cold War West Europe vs East Europe
>Chile vs Venezuela
>South Korea vs North Korea

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>The thing is that no one human being has done that before in human history, which is why you don't own it.
But you don't make that distinction. You seize all private property regardless of whether I made it or not.

Besides, what if me and 50 other guys made the factory, are we then not entitled to the full value of our labor?

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I can't wait until we can start killing you pinkos again.

I feel so sorry for you cucks. Grow up and get with the times. Your shit failed, horribly. It will never come back, so idealistic and retarded it hurts.

Are all exchanges of goods theft? That seems to be what you're getting at here when you say that one has to do literally every job required to build the factory in order to own it.

What if you and 99 other people agree to build a factory together so that each of you owns 1% of the factory? Is it still collectively owned by all of humanity?