Two Germanies, both less powerful than Sweden and Portugal

>two Germanies, both less powerful than Sweden and Portugal
>EU would still be simple trade association
>no Euro and no mass unemployment
>no niggers and no gypsies

In retrospect, was allowing the German unification the West's biggest mistake post WWII?

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I guess you're right: the nightmare of an overpowered unified Germany became true. Our governments however did not militarily conquer the continent but subjugated it to their extremist pro-European view. In another way we ruined Europa by falling again to an ideology and forcing it upon anyone else...

I know it's too late now but I'd like to apologize to you all in their name for this ugly mess, sorry guys. It's best to let Poland occupy some territories in the east and build triple walls around the rest.

>no niggers and no gypsies
???

there would be no reason to go out of the way to cuck the German people had they not the tendency to become this monolithic influence over continental Europe.

A balance of power where UK's sphere exists over the North Sea/Scandinavia/the Atlantic (UK exists as it is with the included nations as sattelite proxy states ala US imperialism), France presides over Benelux, Switzerland and the western portion of Germany, then finally a Balkan-Slavic-Hungarian alliance presides over E. Europe and somehow keeps the Russian bear in its cave. Italy (Balkan/French proxy state) Scandinavia (UK/Slavic proxy states), and Germany (isolated) would be the most cucked by this outcome.

The crucial problem to this plan being France was already too far gone and cucked for any sort of leadership role following WW2 and is essentially a non-entity.

The drastic solution: install a Vichy shadow government and recruit right wing death squads from ethnically pure French people and enhance cooperation with the UK and US.

More realistically, we can support pan-Slavic non-EU movements in E.Europe/Balkans. Is it any coincidence Germany was the first country to recognize Slovenia's independence? No.

I call this the "restoring a late 19th century Balance of Powers" plan.

The unification between Middle- and Western Germany was a matter of time.
However, the unification was "bought" for by submission mainly to French interests ( Miterand ) who rejoiced this fact as a "new Versailled" without a war.
If that socialist fuck Miterand wouldn't have threatened to veto the process as a "victor nation" unless Germany would become intrinsic part of the yet to form EU (incl. the currency), things would look very different today, better even. But no, fucking frogeaters were still butthurt for losing so hard that they went out for late revenge. Since then, Germany has to pay the highest net contribution and receives only a fraction of it in infrastructure subsidiaries in return.
It really is a continuation of the Versailles dictate. By all means, Germany must leave the EU and the EURO zone in order for the countries with a weaker economy becoming able to balance this out via exchange rates.
That's why the EU predecessor worked rather well until Brusseles went full bore Bolshevik.

In fact Germany, Austria and Switzerland should form a loose "DACH" union of cooperation, same as the Visegrád nations did for Middle-European slavic-magyar region.

Fucking Polaks already occupy the real East Germany you defeatist cunt!

Stop believing nu/pol/ memes. France is the ones who forced their shitty egalitarianism on everyone.
>le balance of power meme
Nobody cares about your zenbuddistic esoterics.

Yes the same mistake was done before

Atleast you admit the French revolution was a mystake, my son

>In retrospect, was allowing the German unification the West's biggest mistake post WWII?
Yes. Yes, it was.

only because the current Germany society degrades the human soul instead of empowering it.

Looks like you cucked Mitterrand though, he thought you would leave Romania and Bulgaria for others to dominate but you didn't

> On 20 January 1990, Mitterrand told Thatcher that a unified Germany could "make more ground than even Hitler had".[25] He predicted that "bad" Germans would reemerge,[24] who might seek to regain former German territory lost after World War II[23] and would likely dominate Hungary, Poland, and Czechoslovakia, leaving "only Romania and Bulgaria for the rest of us"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification#Britain_and_France

Quite right, but this is just a Sup Forums thread and not a forum for geopolitics ;)
I'd rather write walls and walls of text about this subject, but not here

KEK, Germany was a mistake

>Quite right, but this is just a Sup Forums thread and not a forum for geopolitics ;)
I'd rather write walls and walls of text about this subject, but not here

In general Europe hasn't been to cope with a unified Germany since 1870.

It is a too powerful and too nationalistic country and tends in one way or another to destabilize the whole continent.

French Revolution gave birth to nationalism which gave birth to democracy and the modern world. Not the worst thing to happen.

Given that Germany's unified existence is objectively a bad thing, which partition plan do you favor post-WWII?

Churchill's plan is shit. It not only creates three Germanies, but actually expands the German sphere of influence.

The Morgenthau plan was best. Germany's two biggest victims (Poland, France) are compensated in territory and Germany is split without the German sphere expanding (in fact it contracts). The only way to improve this is to split the entirety of the Rhine's west bank between Belgium and France (with the Mosel separating the French Rhineland and the Belgian Rhineland).

It was a mistake, but the biggest mistake post WWII? Not by a long shot.

lol this
>Hinterpommern
>Danzig
>West Presussen
>Ost Preussen
>Schlesien
>Posen

West Germany would still be too powerful.

Give Bavaria to us, then it would be perfect and Merkel would rule over some country which is as influential as Austria is now..

Muslims are doing their job, have patience

>It's best to let Poland occupy some territories
Saxony!

Surely Roosevelt's is better. Goes along cultural lines and makes Germany the most keked.

Don't underestimate Italy.
Their South is shit, but they still somehow manage to have a (in comparison) very high GDP.

If Italy would be able to fix itself, it would be it's own power and could influence Balkans.

You're getting it wrong.
Unified Germany -- if 1871, 1938 or 1990 regardless -- has a unique predestination, and this is dictated by its geographical location.
Whenever Germany unified under one rule it became the mediator between Western Europa and the Atlantic (i.e. Western post-Rome) and the Eurasian continent to the East (i.e. Eastern post-Rome, Byzantine, Russia).
This mediator role however logically opposes the powersystem of maritime nations such as Britain, France, US. Therefore it is of no surprise that it was exactly the governments of these nations who became the biggest interlopers in Middleeuropean geopolitics in order to keep these nations in a state of constant struggle with themselves.
Every time German realms were in cooperation and symbiosis with the eastern realms the maritime powers started to stir up the continental balance because all naval power is obsolete when the largest landmass on the planet starts to cooperate economically. To mediate such continental cooperation is Germany's geographical predestination, plain and simple.
That's the core reason for both world wars right there and the continuous struggle of the maritime powers to divide Germany or -- if partially unified as of today -- have it bound in economic slavery.

I really like this feature
I like it when Austrocucks actually believe they are some non-cucked part of Germany. München and Vienna are not some exception in your regions. Atleast S-H isn't as fucked as you southerners

only because no one else has felt like unifying or mobilizing against the threat.

>HURR DURR BELJUM IS NOT A ROAD! DAS RITE WE'RE BELJINZ UH HUH
>jaja okay ;)
>.....
>oh fu-

Something mentally deficient going on here. If Europeans could make smaller confederations there wouldn't be a problem.

This map is nearly perfect.

That meme of yours utterly ignored that Belgium saved Europe by being an incredibly though nut to crack. The Belgians actively destroyed their own railways in order to keep the Germans as delayed as possible, allowing the French to get their shit together long enough to organize the defense of the Marne. Belgium indeed wasn't a road, if it was then we'd all be part of Greater Germany right now.

> Austria
> Vienna
Vienna is lost, desu, just like Germany.
The cucks from VIenna are destroying us.
But we still have the chance to fix our country, while you are a lost case.

why do you think this is germany's fault? tony blair, sarkosy, barosso and the whole gang are not german

plus UK is way worse than germany, or at least it was before this recent migrant crisis

There are at least a million more effective and much less costly military strategies than letting the Germans extend their battle lines over your soil.

Apologizing for pre-war W. European incompetence is laughable.

Hi, Greece.

Hello, Argentina

Viennese cucks and those from any other major cities will continue spreading to rural areas until you become the same case like Bavaria or B-W. The same happens here in S-H as well, but we are overall still the least cucked outside Eastern Germany (thanks to based Prussians). The only lost areas in Germany are any urbanized areas and rural Rhinelands and BW
Stop larping

>it became the mediator

I'd gladly let you occupy Saxony (= Germanized Slavs) and if you're on it then please also annect Catholic Bavaria, we people here are too civilized to go down in this merkeled neo-socialist apocalypse.

Only to a permacucked nu-German would my notions be considered outrageous enough to be larping.

Belgium failed to meet the necessary qualifications for sovereignty by ignoring the German threat? "lol stop larping"

kys

Are you telling me eastern germany is a rightful clay of ours? Like Crimea?

> lol mediator

learn history, Kolya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Tauroggen

;)
Shareblue slider or some discord larpers; Don't respond

That's exactly what I meant. Who could save us if not you? Just take it this time a little bit easier, no mass rape of all females aged from 1 month to 99 years plz.

There are 2 things i dont get about ww2:
Why fuckers speak and give a fuck about holocaust when more Soviets died? Fucking jews, I hate them for thier marketing. One day they will pay for everything.
Second point is why westerners point on mass rapes from red army when germans did literally the same if not worse? I mean, you fuckers should read about leningrad or something.

EC was around well before the fall of the wall, EU would've happened with or without Eastern Germany.

You know what the best first step for German - Russian partnership would be?
Making the Russian part of Eastern Prussia with Königsberg a visa-free trade zone for Russian and German companies and citizens. Polaks would piss their pants and -- if they'd use their brain -- include their occupied part of East Prussia in the zone and thereby include themselves in the whole process.

Our 7 time prime minister and patron devil of politics, Giulio Andreotti

"I like Germany so much that i'm happier if there's two of them around"

Wow he must have been very smarte!

you have to go back

I am a professional historian and know these shitty discourses you are talking about. They are literally canonized. You must obey or your career is flushed down the toilet. Every young historian here gets brainwashed. It is well elaborated system which states what has to be true and therefore "referenced knowledge" and what is dangerous lie. And yes, the Jews here are surveying us. Once I was so stupid to doubt that all Nazis were racists, claiming that a considerable part were just fucking criminals acting under an official ideology, who secretly laughed about the Herrenrasse thing. I was lucky that I got away with it but the Jews in my class stopped talking to me.

Gdansk, Poznan, Slask, Prusy wschodnie 100% polish clay from 900s

So you're a proffesional historian that wants half of our country occupied because of memes pushed by trolls

>we owned them for about 20 years a millenium ago, so they must be ours

It was so damn funny how polaks started to panic because of the Russian-German pipeline project. But yes, you're having a good idea, the whole region has more potential than just delivering cute whores to Germany.

well we hung most of the Germans who comitted war crimes. The Russkies who did so got promoted.

Personally I believe victor's justice, although fundementally absurd, is just a natural result of war.

The simple answer to the mass rapes thing is that you were the cancerous Marxist Stalinist Soviet state after WW2 and our enemies, thus a target for our propaganda machine. Same for us in your country.

The German nation is dead, the mass influx of the vilest 3rd world scum is underway. I am just weighing in the options: mudslime shithole or Slavic, white rule? You know the right answer.

FDR's partition seems the most reasonable to me

>You know the right answer.
Yes, I do

What's even better is the point that the Russians, although they're viewing East Prussia as their war spoils, they're not russifying the region. In the part occupied by the Polaks everything German -- architecture, infrastructure, historic sites etc. -- is strictly polonised in a move of utter damnatio memoriae ... chauvinistic cunts

thats just propaganda bro, based of western hipocrisy as always.

Rapes is so savage during the war you know? another thing mass bombardment of civilians, thats what civilized countries do

hope you get me

go back ahmed

>At a private marketing UNI, I once made a short film about how Nazis contributed to the development of modern technology

I was literally applauded.

You fuckers let up to a million of captured German soldiers starve to death in the Rhine Medow camps and deprived them of their status as POWs.
That's a shame you'll have to live with!

abloohoohoo war is hell kraut

Tell me, Ivan.
What would you prefer?
Either every Ruski converting to islam
or
What do you think would happen when Hitler had won against Russia in your worldview, because they are le white and le christian

We Germans see Polaks just as whores and toilet cleaners but they actually have quite an imperial attitude. In former times they Polonized lots of Belarussians and Ukrainians - and they are dreaming of doing this again, just look how many immigrants they received from these countries.

And only the badasses will survive this multicultural mess we produced in Western Europe. You have to be a chauvinistic people to resist the mudslime and its vile socialist servants. Poland therefore has a future.

>t. Wojtec Bukowski

War is war and hell is hell. There are no innocent bystanders in hell!

Oopsie

wow, so norwegians are as bad at history as americans, who would have thought

The same people who will cry that Hitler was responsible for the death of million le white brothers… hypocrites

>the anglo be keeping us down

I had family members who were in this camp - and in the SS. They didn't do nuffin... except shooting some piles of Russians in a forest until the trees fell down.

Germany is too nationalistic to become mediator of anything. It is the most powerful country, you don't have to mediate, but conquer. That is the bottom line.

Germans have not the vision of Anglos.

Smaller confederations cannot be made because Germany is too central and too big.

Germany has been the problem of Europe for 150 years. I don't mind them being the most powerful country, but the don't know how to behave.

Never heard of the Baghdad Railway project, eh?

Anglo approach: conquering
German approach: win - win cooperation

Same thing happened with the colonies. England, France, Belgium conquered. German business acquired through trade.

Why do business with shitskins then conquer white people? You got it backwards.

Yes it was. Easterlings should have become part of Poland.

umm sweetie

Then why did your dear Napoleon help us, Frenchy?

Your rage and """righteous""" indignation is very ashkenazi.

Hitler would say "might makes right".

I don't care. You want our country to be abolished, split, partitioned, marginalized, cleansed, put under financial slavery. I couldn't care less about your opinion. You are worse than a jew. I'll convert to islam before supporting any of you "white brothers"

I prefer russian nationalism, without islam and without plan ost.

Hitler was delusional nazi egoist, thats why he lose.he was not thinking about le white or le christian lilke Sup Forumsacks. He was thinking about le mighty germany and other nations on kneels. So for me islam and hitler win is two extremes of the same nature.
Hope you get me.

But i think that germans and russians must be allies. We have much more in common then you think. The only reason for the hatred in our case is geographical proximity.
despite the fact that now we have a buffer zone between us , we both know it's just a formality.

You will... And I will get out of this shithole.

To be honest: the overall German concept of German-Russian friendship is us taking you over and using your huge human and natural resources and your geopolitical position to build the world's greatest superpower. We tried in the 19th century to Germanize you but your nationalism was too strong.

You're a sellout, then

Well your country yes.

As individuals I think you all make nice things and are perfectly capable of sustaining a premium quality of life without a nation. After all we don't need nations but rather societies, in which yes you will have a voice and rights and whatnot.

My point being, although the German people are not so bad the German nation has never done anything good.

i know that. But...hm..how to say that...
i dont want to sound like Smerdyakov from Karamazov brothers, but little germanization can be profit for Russia, as mush as little Russification can be profitable for Germans.
>We tried in the 19th century to Germanize you but your nationalism was too strong.

I do not think you get it correctly

I think some of our Tsars probably think like me in this case. You probably point on german blood of Romanovs, but all of them consider them self as Russian and Orthodox. They settle many germans in Russia and rusificated them, not germonize russians, but rusificated germans.

All european cultures is mutually acceptable i think. You can take best parts of germanic and best parts of russian cultures. I think thats was idea.
Its not shitty commie multiculti bullshit about lets enrich german
/russian culture with islam. no no no. Thats totally not the same.

Its hard to speak about it on english for me actually, just hope you get me right

>My point being, although the German people are not so bad the German nation has never done anything good.
I don't care what you think. America introduced the world to liberalism and islamic terrorism and together. America send the Lusitania into German warzone and sacrifices the lives of many of their own citizens so they could invade a weakened Germany. America supported Britain in both wars before at war with Germany. America invaded countries line Korea and Vietnam and Germany to protect business interests. Every war they have played a role in was to protect their busniess interests, so don't tell me that my country is bad when you have blood of millions of people at your hands in interests of international finance jewry

>"I don't care what you think"
>butthurt wall of text

That was America you twat

It's true that the tsars did not play such an important role in this regard. More important was the "deep state", an administrative and political elite of Germans (remember a hint in Dostoyevskys "Demons": an entire class of Germans who work together) who formed powerful networks. And think about the German colonies which were quite numerous in some regions and of course St. Petersburg. If Russians would have let them act more freely, there would have come more and more Germans. Russia was (and is) highly attractive to us, we are still a nation without living space and your country is providing lots of it.

What you say wont change my opinion; my reply is what I think

Sorry to say but it took the US some time to become important (second half of the 19th century). In the beginnings you were just some dispersed colonies on the East Coast and France > you.

>bavaria
>catholic
>awesome
>grmany
>protestan
>shitty
Really gets the urban declarin'

What you think is a laundry list of historical wrongs by the American government so you support the growth of a monolithic government that is ultimately being used against you?

Not sure I get it.

Yes and russians is not against the idea to live side by side with germans. Thats the point. But if you do this in "deep state" mode no one will accept that, because its became an replacement shit like with refugees in germany now, you know? ONLY open actions is the key in russo-german alliance perspective.
Russians respect Germans, but if you start hypocrytical jew shit like eternal anglo - we do not tolerate this.

Unfortunately the alliance is not going to happen: most Germans are too brainwashed to realize the potential... they prefer to give their respect a neo-socialist utopia.

>My point being, although the German people are not so bad the German nation has never done anything good.
That statement seems pretty interchangeable with any country strong enough to make a difference. Or what country do you think has done something terrifically good for the world? I mean as a whole, not more individual things like invention? And how would you define this 'good'?

The Ancient Romans built roads and aqueducts as basically federal projects. The frontier federal government of the United States displaced and eliminated barbarians and connected settlements in the same manner. These projects directly benefitted its citizens and constitute a 'good'. Other objectives that constitute a good might be securing borders or promoting a national defense.

In modern Germany's case, the mayor of an historic village of 1,000 people now has to contend with 500 refugees entering the mix. This does not constitute a good as the government has ceased to represent the self-interest of its people. It only seems to me that the average German's quality of life is damaged and not enhanced by his government's decisions. Take into account decisions by previous German governments to do things like devote the country towards militarism (disastrous) and what you are faced with is only blunder after blunder since the days of Prussia. Yes, a broken clock is right twice a day and you sometimes get things like the Autobahn, but overall the citizen has more agency when his government is smaller.

A border with Canada, for instance, is basically pointless. Call me idealistic, but armed conflicts between societies in western civilization seem anachronistic to me. However, securing western civilization from Islam or the third world constitutes is crucial to survival and forming treaties and defense agreements around that constitutes a good.

So even in the case of my own country I support a downsizing of the federal power. Only in my case there is a precedent for the concept of a 'United States' whereas in Europe there is none and cooperation should be pursued through other avenues. A host of micro states within Germany would be a preferable form of governance.

Gas yourself J*de.