How old were you when you grew out of libertarianism?

How old were you when you grew out of libertarianism?

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Libertarians fucked up by embracing open borders

when I witched to national socialism

>implying I have
no step on snek

Libertarians fucked up by embracing Gary Johnson.

youtube.com/watch?v=AYsGgaeYdQs

Destroying Libertarian attitudes is the end goal of the war on white people.

I think Trump is actually pretty libertarian, considering how much he supports states rights.

what

maybe like 3% of the white population was libertarian at its peak

and the death of libertarians is just from people realizing its shit and going full natsoc like this guy you cucks aren't important enough to destroy

32. I stopped embracing Libertarianism when Donald Trump transformed the Republican party int a more attractive prospect.

Libertarian attitudes i. e. being anti-big government, obviously anti-globalist, valuing individualism over collective good.

No politician is going to put policies in place that will give them less power.

I will say is right though.

This. Gary Johnson was a joke.

~23, when I realized that all laws are enforcing morality in some form or fashion and thus the only way to not enforce morality was to have no laws at all.

>libertarian=anti-globalist
?????
Libertarian is open borders, which leads to socialist third worlders coming in, which leads to globalism.

25. 5 years later than I should have

Except Trump is a conservative who wants to shrink the Federal government and give power back to the states?

That's libertarianism 101.

this is amazing, bless these lads

I'm still closer to them than any other party out there, for the moment.
Aside from the border policies I still like their ideas.

I never had a lolbertarian phase. I admit I was brainwashed into being a lefty, but thankfully Sup Forums eventually redpilled me.

weird. Sup Forums turned me into a lefty. I never thought I could support Trudeau but considering how much Sup Forums hates him I think he's on to something.

this

libertarians sometimes coalition with other groups (religishits, warpigs, traditionfags etc.), that's just politics

the foundation of rightwing coalitions in the US has had a "libertarian" element since Coolidge or earlier ("The Old Right")

>trudeau
>left wing in any fashion

your lack of nuance or knowledge is astounding.

When I started reading more and more advance economics, realising that Austrian economics is complete and utter trash.

I'm pretty sure Libertarians means open borders, DUDE WEED, and enforced non-discrimination now.

I still hold the values in my heart, but as a practical ideology I think it's unworkable. I'm all for small government, maximum freedom and an emphasis on individualism, but selling your national soul to the free market is insanity.

this, he ruined it.

I'm still libertarian. I voted for Donald Trump because Gay Johnson is not libertarian and because Rand Paul washed out of the primaries before even sleepy Ben.

Lefty here too. Being a righty is fun until your rights are the ones being stomped on

funny, I had the same experience with the left

Once I stopped doing drugs

Nah I would say most common Americans are libertarian or libertarian leaning but just aren't really familiar with the term beyond maybe Ron Paul so they don't use it and they just get pushed into the same group as other types of Republicans.

I see the left doing most of the stomping these days.
I hate both the far left and the far right tbqh.... Ideologues are exhausting people who seldom listen to counterpoints.

Don't pay attention to our most recent candidates pay attention to thinkers (one of which is long dead) who have no political power in the current party

24. When I watched the libertarians abandon Ron Paul and get in bed with the open border globalists, I was done.

"But much free trade!"

I still like their ideas of personal liberty and individualism. But their love affair with opening the flood gates would be the death knell for the nation state

I second this. Open borders is not a libertarian idea.

Libertarianism has no protections against leftist subversion. Leftists came in and started screaming about how white and male the party is and the libercucks all clapped in agreement.

Jewdeau is culturallt leftist

But the modern left also shills for globalist corporate power so he isn't a real Marxist. I'd say the modern left are poseurs who are little more than the trained monkeys owned by international finance

because they wanted to win, not because they cared about social justice

the Trump coalition is virtue signalling too, albeit mostly to shove it back in the leftists faces and hold them to their own standards

you mean liberal
marx would be disgusted by canada

I never had a libertarian phase, thankfully

Marx would be disgusted with everything, his ideas are unworkable without untold horrors and he didn't live long enough to see it

>we need to betray our ideology and surrender to leftists to win

Good job, totally worked too. You nominated a retard who embarassed your party.

19, I realized that the libertarian party was basically the Communists of the left in that they live in a fantasy world where corruption and human greed will be fixed by their feels.

Also irl I talked to some and tried to explain that the non aggression principal is what caused ww2 to be such a bloody shit show. And that some foreign military bases like Korea were needed because in the long run mobilization of our entire military if N.K attacked would be so much more costly in dollars and human lives. They just said I was a military industrial complex goon.

*Of the right

I grew out of it when I realized that you can't live in a society based on property rights when half of the people in that society don't believe in them.

LEFTISTS of ALL stripes deserve to be CRUSHED. And their pet niggers and spics. Good riddance.

Most libertarians are in favor of open borders and at this point in time, any political ideology that does not accept the necessity of strong borders is unacceptable.

>babby's first I can't recognize a simple psyop to destroy a movement that benefits the people before the elite

>replying to a meme thread
my problem are all the people unhappy with free trade, and wage undercutting, other than that i m a libertarian

>being so idealist you give up all political power completely

h-how's it going down there?

When I realized it is just as terrible as socialism

youtube.com/watch?v=4G5NU7l_BJg

I'm still a paleocon, not a full blown fascist or authoritarian. Paleoconservatism represents true American ideals. If you want to be a fascist go to Europe.

Who the hell is Jihadi John?

Hoppe isn't exactly in the mainstream of libertarianism, he's on the fringe of a fringe

There can't be open borders if all the land is privatized.

to truly achieve a libertarian government we would need a bloody revolution that completely purges every aspect of the massive federal government. anything less than that is cucking yourself on the next election when all third worlders vote a socialistic back into power

fringe, and also has a number of ideas that are in pretty direct disagreement with libertarianism

(though obviously "pure" libertarianism is not "a thing")

Are there any successful, developed Libertarian countries? Is there evidence, in 2017, that small government libertarianism generates a quality of life higher than liberal democracies?

Amen, we don't want the dregs of European political theories (like communism and fascism) when we already have a solid conservative history

He was the "British" ISIS member who beheaded journalists like James Foley on video. Our tabloids named him Jihadi John.

It's really never been tried.

It's impossible for the concept of libertarianism to ever truly be stamped out, because ultimately libertarianism is just the desire to decrease the size of government.

the state constantly wants to increase its size, so whatever counter-force to that is present, is acting upon libertarian principles.

Okay, I thought so. But how did he end the libertarian dream?

This is the only "never been tried" I'm willing to believe, because people are power hungry fuckers that would never naturally align into a libertarian society.

I'm not even sure how one would even set one up now.

never
I preserve my right to believe in what I want to believe in

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20.

Markets fail sometimes. They need to be corrected.

We already live in a libertarian society. You are free to go out and do anything you want, but there is this band of renegade thugs infringing on that freedom called the government and they are so strong that there is really nothing you can do about it.

>I'm not even sure how one would even set one up now.

It's probably not possible at this point unless nuclear war resets human civilization to year zero.

I personally don't like to think of libertarianism as a goal to be achieved, but an ideal to be maintained and fought for. Libertarianism is a constant struggle against the state trying to increase its own sphere of influence.

Fascists are betrayed libertarians.

Typically, the betrayal was by niggers or kikes.

16. I moved on to NS as a country needs a strong authoritarian power to control and subvert any liberal/degeneracy. It also strengthens everybody to work together in order to view these ideals as country ruining.

The problem is that libertarians will shun anyone who isn't 100 percent on board with all their ideas. They will always be a fringe group because of that, and a lot of their ideas are child like.

like i said, anyone who wants to decrease government is acting upon libertarian principles at the end of the day. so the fedora tipping types who have taken over the libertarian party itself don't really matter and aren't really hurting the cause of libertarianism, ultimately.

I'm a libertarian or at least was but these leftists and commies don't want or respect freedom so I cannot advocate for it when our way of life is under siege.

socialism existed before him you know

Libertarianism is for libertarians. Leftists openly advocate for our liberties being stripped are violating the NAP, as we will go to jail for simply speaking our minds under their regimes. The recent increased interest in Hoppean libertarianism is not a coincidence.

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I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 mostly because I was into dude weed lmao and didn't see enough of a difference between Obama and Romney, but I don't live in a swing state so it didn't matter anyway and I was never really a libertarian, I've grown to hate their autism though, I fucking hate "individuality" and I don't agree that "freedom" is the highest virtue a society can aspire to, I have more of a sense of solidarity and brotherhood with my fellow man, I don't just want to tell him "fuck you, I got mine"

> I have more of a sense of solidarity and brotherhood with my fellow man, I don't just want to tell him "fuck you, I got mine"

So why not help people voluntarily? There is no virtue in coercing people to help others. The state, like a fine acid mist, has dissolved civil society in the West and replaced it with social programs that are funded with taxes and money borrowed in the name of the unborn. Why not return to the not so distant past?

Libertarians don't disagree with helping their fellow man, it's the force the oppose.

The United States has more fucking millionaires than any other country, if they were willing and able to take care of this shit, they would've done it already

I only care about pragmatism, I don't give a fuck about "principles" at all, if it works then do it, if it doesn't then don't, I literally do not care whatsoever about your "right" to not pay taxes or whatever

go on

we were libretarian 100 years ago

last year when I realized only that basically ONLY white people want to be libertarians, which defeats the purpose. Why let in thousands of foreigners because of libertarian values when they will only vote AGAINST libertarian values?

Nationalism, if not outright national socialism, is the best form of governance for a nation. After the people are successfully nationalist, then they can worry about being at the very MOST Hoppe-libertarians.

Hurr durr I'm opposed to "the initiation of force," get people to stop doing that and everything will be fine

This is what I mean when I say you're autistic

You're not going to achieve that, people don't radically change, we learn shit and invent new technology and shit, but we're the same people who had slaves, the same people who were slaves, the same people who committed genocide and shit

You're never going to get rid of the "monopoly of the use of force, you have too much faith in "progress," just like liberals, people are not going to radically change enough for your utopia to be realized, we're never going to get rid of capitalism or the government or religion or feminism or any of the scapegoats people use, if your ideology can't handle that then it's fucking worthless

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money.howstuffworks.com/socialism2.htm

protestant christianity was founded on anarchist/communist beliefs

>tfw close to being full NatSoc but still like fags

>anarchist/communist

Yeah, I heard it was founded on dead/alive and awake/asleep and purple/yellow beliefs too

The Father is pissed at your ignorance. No go inhale a burger. realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/09/ron_paul_is_there_some_middle_ground_between_trumps_wall_and_kerrys_open_borders.html

false

>what is the american system

>people are not going to radically change enough for your utopia to be realized, we're never going to get rid of capitalism

>Libertarian
>Anti-Capitalist

Why do I post here, Jesus are you drunk right now?

nah

Libertarianism dies when it first encounters non-whites. It requires people be fundamentally good.

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> I have more of a sense of solidarity and brotherhood with my fellow man, I don't just want to tell him "fuck you, I got mine"

>youtube.com/watch?v=j9zIzIePjpo

Yeah sure you fucking do as long as it's with someone else's effort and money. Also known as theft or communism. Seriously go fuck yourself.

>The United States has more fucking millionaires than any other country, if they were willing and able to take care of this shit, they would've done it already

>I only care about pragmatism, I don't give a fuck about "principles" at all, if it works then do it, if it doesn't then don't, I literally do not care whatsoever about your "right" to not pay taxes or whatever

> I don't give a fuck about "principles" at all,

Yeah we knew that going in to this conversation. Fuck leftists. You don't have any right to the money I earn. Hurr durr millionaires are evil because I can barely afford my weed and Bernie didn't give me free liberal propaganda studies.

>capitalism or the government or religion or feminism or any of the scapegoats people use, if your ideology can't handle that then it's fucking worthless

No we're going to get rid of stupid people that defend religions like feminism and think they're "practical". By force or starvation eventually.

That image is fucking cancer.

Also I love how whoever made this felt compelled to mention the Jews. kek

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stop being ignorant

Was Jihadi John a big thing in America?

the middle ground is still open borders

define communism and anarchism for me real quick

I was never a libertarian. I was never foolish enough to believe that humankind was moral enough to live without moral policing or that justice magically occurred when you let the free market run everything.

America is a nationalist libertarian society. I consider myself a huge believer in American ideals and the constitution. The reason America is successful despite having a bunch of spics and niggers is that it's libertarian.