Is arresting someone for resisting arrest ever justified?

Is arresting someone for resisting arrest ever justified?

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No, they should be let free immediately if they do not want to go to jail, even if they murdered a child.

I don't think so. They often have a reason to resist arrest. Keep in mind cops are pigs, they are drawn to policework so that they can practice their thuggery sanctioned for the most part.

They had to commit a crime before they tried to resist arrest, so yes

>american education
He meant if someone's only crime is resisting arrest

youtube.com/watch?v=WyteNfsm-8g

It's always justified.

Yes because they're under arrest for something in the first place

>arresting someone
>for resisting arrest

ain't that america

fbpb. Sup Forums needs more genuine satire like this

anyway to answer OP, resisting arrest should not be a charge if the person is found not guilty of what they were resisting. but if convicted of that crime, resisting should hold.

>Is arresting someone for resisting arrest ever justified?
>Brazilian education

They would have to be arrested on another crime before even being able to resist arrest.

Yes, this is what I meant. I asked this question because there have been arrests for resisting arrest.

>people are never arrested for things they didn't do

faggot

>arresting someone for resisting arrest

The suspect is getting arrested anyway so what's your point?

there's a second charge called 'resisting arrest' which can carry additional penalties

Sweep the leg, Johnnie.
Im going to sweep the head!

so perps get further penalized for wasting the LEO's time? You're not very smart are you

how far can we go in resisting? can we resist with weapons?

Then OP should have asked that. His question implies that the ONLY thing a person is being arrested for is resisting arrest.

this user gets it!

Yes. I never mentioned a person getting arrested for something else

Only niggers and dope fiends resist arrest and dislike cops.
In other words, it takes a fucking criminal.
And criminals belong in jail.

please respond faggot. can I recruit all my friends to help me resist arrest and start a big fucking war in the city because I don't feel like explaining myself in court?

No. If you think it should be acceptable to arrest someone for ONLY resisting arrest, you're a turbocuck of the highest order.

If I were on a jury, and the defendant had harmed/killed a cop who was attempting to arrest them for "resisting arrest" alone, I would vote not guilty regardless of how much I otherwise despised the guy.

only subhumans resist arrest, those who feel they have been arrested wrongly will request a lawyer and comply peacefully with the police because they have triple digit IQ.

>the defendant had harmed/killed a cop
>would vote not guilty
I refuse to believe that americans are really this stupid

That's a completely separate case from what that guy said.

I directly quoted from him.

Maybe i was wrong. Americans are this retarded.

The reality is that you arent going straight to jail and if you haven't done anything wrong, more than likely you will be released in a few hours. Then coz murica you can probably sue them coz of my ptsd and muh feels from meany police officers :'(

Ah you're right, I misread what he said. But if someone wouldn't let go of you for no reason, hit you, taze you, and point a gun at you, you believe you should go to prison for murder if you kill that person?

>no reason
>dindunuffin
You are retarded, unless you committed a crime officers have no reason to do that.

sometimes the crime is ludicrous.

Sometimes a cop will arrest you because the circumstances make you look like you committed a crime, and then even if you did nothing, resisting arrest will become a crime by itself.

I think it sucks to be inconvenienced in such a way if you're innocent, but people really need to realize that there's nothing to gain from resisting officers. Much better to just go with the flow and then sue them hard later.

thats generally not how it goes.

Good luck trying to sue the cops, every single judge and prosecutor in the state will be on their side unless what they did was like really really bad.

Also better hope that 5' tall cop doesn't get mad at you for being 6' while youre driving home from work friday or hell throw you in jail for hell of it and you wont get out until monday at noon cause the judges dont do arraignments on weekends

The problem with being arrested for resisting arrest arrises from the all too common situation where an officer will say "youre under arrest" for no reason, you say "what, why?" and now before you know it youve been pepper sprayed and this cop and his 300lb partner are now standing on your back

no, it's fucking retarded

That is a very good point and I agree.

It depends. You should never resist unless you really, truly feel that the arrest is unlawful AND that your life is in danger because of it.

If the attempted arrest was truly unlawful, then in most jurisdictions you have the right to defend yourself with whatever force necessary, including homicide.

If you do successfully resist, at some point thereafter you will certainly be arrested, so that an investigation can take place -- and even if your actions were lawful, there's a chance that the DA will pursue charges anyway, to maintain their relationship with a butthurt PD. A good lawyer will eventually get you off, likely with compensation, but it'll be no picnic.

The truth is, that actual unlawful arrests are pretty rare, and tend to happen in leftist fiefdoms where the state has an extreme monopoly on force because individuals have been stripped of a means and a right to defend themselves. That power disparity also ends up attracting the very people who shouldn't be cops in the first place.

Basically: Live in a rural white area where everyone has guns and you're significantly less likely to be purposefully fucked with by anyone, especially the police.

And your plan is to antagonize these people?

No wonder you burgers keep getting shot

>COPS ARE MURDEROUS PIGS
>BETTER GIVE THEM EVERY REASON TO FLEX THEM KILLIN' MUSCLES

then the reason for arrest isn't "resisting arrest"

fpbp
people on Sup Forums have been taking things too literally lately

I won't waste my time explaining the nuances of freedom to an Aussiecuck -- but if the original offence was "resisting arrest", then the only option is to find them not guilty.

Sure, sometimes. Cops can detain people on reasonable suspicion based on a number of factors. If a cop has a description of a robbery suspect and finds some dude nearby that matches that description, their first job is to detain the guy. When the cop tells the guy to stand up against a fence and put his hands behind his back, the cop is giving the Black dude a lawful order. If the Black dude chooses to fight the cop, or resist, because he actually dindu nuffin, he's a fucking idiot. He's also tying up resources and impeding on an investigation because other cops will come to assist this cop when they need to be searching for the real suspect.

So what should happen to this guy when he's ruled out as a suspect?

Why don't they just arrest them for murdering a child then? Weak strawman.

Holy fuck, you are so cute.

Totally, however you should be compensated should you prove you have been arrested for nothing

>So what should happen to this guy when he's ruled out as a suspect?
If he was only being detained for questioning, then he wasn't under arrest, so resisting arrest shouldn't be a charge -- the charge should be obstruction of justice or one of the many variants thereof, could add on assault, disorderly conduct, a whole litany of charges -- but not simply resisting arrest.

Lets say a cop comes up to Tyrone, who matches a description, and Tryone immediately punches him in the face. Now Tyrone has committed battery, and can be arrested for it, at this point, further resistance would constitute resisting arrest -- but the original act of battery shouldn't, as he wasn't being arrested at that point.

The person who is arrested has to prove he was arrested for nothing?

>Freud

Anyway... You need context. Resisting is not a crime unless you committed one. But if you are suspected or behave in suspicious way they have right to do it.
It's not like they can just arrests anyone they want for anything. Cops are people to and their actions have consequences.

And if we are talking about oppressive government then you will resist to defend yourself regardless of what's written in the books.

If your arresting them for resisiting arrest you were already arresting them for something you retard.

Ok here is the fucking deal ok? They can shoot you. So don't be a retard. Legally, (under constitutional law) they shouldn't be able to actually touch you without probable cause or a warrant. They are still going to.

You can either, play along and go to jail like a good boy, get out later and go on with your life. Or you can be an ass like me, and not do anything they tell you and have a hard time. They will beat you up, and if you don't take off your shoes they will cut them off.

What needs to happen is more people need to take an interest in state and local policy, and get them defunded and disband. Power should flow back to the armed civilian population, make things all around more safe.

>They would have to be arrested on another crime before even being able to resist arrest.
Except that is not what happens.

Ever seen people arrested whose only charge is resisting arrest? I have!

Cops sometimes act like niggers when they cant frame you for anything, they just start pulling groundless charges out of their ass and scream at you until you lose your patience, then they arrest you for insubordination or resisting arrest.

>The suspect is getting arrested anyway so what's your point?
What if the situation I described about happens? Sometimes cops here will just not like your face and decide to fuck with you, and they have both the power, muscles and equipment to do so.

Im sure this is hard for a first world citizen to understand since your police force is clearly very different from ours.

Your right. We should all love it when big stong men come amd kick our asses. Like, why shouldn't the state hold a monopoly on the initiation of violence.

>those who feel they have been arrested wrongly will request a lawyer and comply peacefully with the police because they have triple digit IQ.
What you do if instead of taking you to a police station they decide to stop at a bridge and throw you head first down the bridge to your untimely death? They can easily make it look like a suicide!

Are you stupid? Cops ever break into my house, they are gonna have so much lead coming their way that reinforcements will have to be sent. Hopefully those ones know how to knock on the door and ask politely if on of them can come inside. And they better have a warrant.

what?

Well I guess you call your lawyer.
I'm sure the violence monopoly had a good reason for this anyways!

Huurrr I'm a statist!!

>Well I guess you call your lawyer.
How you call your lawyer after you get thrown off a bridge, snap your neck, and have your head burst open spreading your brains everywhere?

>I'm sure the violence monopoly had a good reason for this anyways!
The reason in this case is that the officer decided he does not like you and wants you gone from this world.

I know this is hard for a first worlder to understand, but it not only happens in third world shitholes like mine, it is somewhat common!

>t. had 2 friends suicided by the police.

>justified

subjective

>Is arresting someone for resisting arrest ever justified?

causal reversal paradox

Police aren't there to listen to you. They are the enforcement branch of the government. They'll ask you what they want to know, but they don't have to listen to your excuses.

You're supposed to take the arrest, to comply. If you comply you won't get gobsmacked. And then go through due process and the legal system. That's why you 'tell it to the judge'. That's why you 'get your day in court'. The court is the place that hears your sob story, excuses, and complaints. You get your chance to undo, nullify or mitigate your arrest in court.

BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPP

>reading comprehension

FUCKING DUMBASS

Go back to lurking until you understand sarcasm.

> arresting someone for resisting arrest
I think you're mixing arrest with detention

This is not what the constitution intended.

Were not Brazil we pay our police officers.

>yummy black-leather

>dude never arrest anyone lmao

how are you supposed to jail criminals then if you can't even get them to the courthouse to be tried? have hearings where they aren't present and then arrest them? that's fucking retarded

>Go back to lurking until you understand sarcasm.
I see, very well then.

>Were not Brazil we pay our police officers.
I clearly said in the previous posts that this is something that would be hard for first worlders to understand since your police is worlds different from ours.

The fact is, despite you first worlders only caring about the first world and never looking towards the third unless you do it for a laugh, the majority of the world lives in such conditions.

The majority of the planet are third world shitholes, and in most police is even worse than here, take that into consideration and answer the op question: Is arresting someone for resisting arrest ever justified?

what the fuck is wrong with Brazil, do police actually do that over there?

the only people that get killed by police over here are armed drug addicts or people disobeying direct orders and reaching into their waisband or under a seat or some shit. I don't understand why blacks get so butthurt, if some methed up redneck gets his ass shot I couldn't give less of a fuck. hell, it's probably a net benefit to society. why should I give a shit we share the same skin color?

it's a great way to get rid of antifa filth, you just mass arrest at a protest for suspicion of something else and tons of them are sure to resist.

then swat kills you and you can't shitpost anymore

It depends. The standards for what counts as 'resisting' are far too low. Some cases, just talking back to the officer is enough to get charged with it.

It's another catch-all blanket cops use in arrests to give an excuse as to why they arrested someone. Disturbing the peace is another.

...

Good.

I'd rather be a dead man then a living bitch. They are down at leat five guys so at least I went possy on my KD spread.

>what the fuck is wrong with Brazil, do police actually do that over there?
Yes, as I said, 2 of my friends got suicided, so I know exactly what im talking about.

Happens all the fucking time, police officer does not like your face and decides to fuck your life up.

>the only people that get killed by police over here are armed drug addicts or people disobeying direct orders and reaching into their waisband or under a seat or some shit.
Try getting suicided for protesting against governmental corruption, or simply for carrying a gun for self defense, or simply because you did not pay your god dammed bribe to the local militia made up of police officers...

Life here is dangerous, you can get killed at any moment for any bullshit reason whatsoever, comparing usa cops to ours is a sad joke.

There is a pretty good fucking reason why I never leave my house, being a shut-in is the best protection against the violence out there in the streets.

strawman
astronimcal fatal-laughter size strawmam

So you are being arrested because before the attempt to arrest you proclaim your intention
to resist being arrested. And then resist the actual arrest and then be charged for resisting
the arrest, but not the attempt of resisting arrest?
That seems fair humm

That is what happens whem the state has a monopoly on violence. You basically have to convince the state that it did something wrong, or.you are wrong. Good luck. Shouldn't have been smoking when that cop walked by. Now you have assualted an office...

rong
they 1st attempt arrest
THEN
say its only for resisting

They just told me fuck.you amd called me stupid. They let me out of jail after about 8 hours and never filled charges. One of them said have a nice day, so I called him a faggot and told him to fight me. He also was the chap who cut my shoes off.

How can you be sure they got suicided by cops? Just because you didn't see em as suicidal doesn't mean cops suicided them. Also why do you think cops would do that?

By "do that" I meant your friends specifically.

Stop with the anti cop crap or I decapitate you

Cops are gay and necessary for the fermentation of socialism.

not if that is the only charge

if so the the police officer should fined $/€/£1000

And have their police licence 3 points deducted 12 points deducted = dismissal

>How can you be sure they got suicided by cops? Just because you didn't see em as suicidal doesn't mean cops suicided them.
How many people handcuff their own hands on the back before jumping out of a construction site in the middle of the night? You can't hide the handshackle bruises on the corpse!

And seriously, this is nothing new to my country, happens all the time since the times of the military dictatorship. Go ahead and google about it if you doubt me.

>Also why do you think cops would do that?
Who knows? Police here will gladly bash your face into a bloody pulp if you are drinking in a park after 22pm, they don't really need much of an excuse to get violent, some are simply sadists.

Maybe he talked back to the cop, maybe the cop knew him and decided to off him for personal reasons, maybe they got him smoking a joint and decided to drop him from a bridge, who knows? Do The reasons even matter? They did had the right for a fair trial, an attorney...

You can't possibly agree with cops executing people on the street withoun't a trial, right?

Instead of fined, they should just have to pay that to their victim directly.

What counts as resisting arrest? Fighting against them? What if I just go dead fish coma style? I'm not resisting but I ain't helping either. You put my hands behind my back. You put me in the car. You carry (or drag I don't care throw your back out faggot) me inside. You prop me up for my picture.

New thread, lads Balt/pol/

This guy gets it. :)

That's sad that that happens. Of course I don't agree with that. Do you know any articles that have reported on this? Preferably in English?

>What counts as resisting arrest?

the cop writing it in his report that you resisted arrest is the only thing that matters. What you do or don't do is irrelevant.

Talk back to a cop (perfectly legal), look at a cop the wrong way (perfectly legal), the cop is bored and doesn't like your face you go to jail for the crime of resisting arrest.

Are you seriously anti-police in Brazil?! Fuck that, more power to them. They should really be equipped with firebombs so they can eliminate the favelas once and for all.

I have a job where I extract data from court files in a juvenile court in Indiana. They are almost always arrested for serious crimes, charged with serious crimes, then get "resisting arrest" or "conversion" charges after a plea deal or informal adjustment contract. I've never once seen a file (out of at least 5,000 so far) where they were charged with resisting arrest by itself. Obstructing justice or an investigation are stand alone offenses, but even so, they get released the next day and charges are always dropped.

>He meant if someone's only crime is resisting arrest
what does that even mean?? resisting arrest means you are being placed under arrest for some violation or another (real or not) and you then during the arrest resist and struggle with the officer while being placed under arrest for your original crime (real or not). stupid monkey

>Do you know any articles that have reported on this? Preferably in English?
I reccomend this book:amazon.com/Violence-Workers-Torturers-Reconstruct-Atrocities/dp/0520234472

Also, here are some articles:

dialogo-americas.com/en/articles/murderous-militia-goup-dismantled-brazil
time.com/3576606/brazil-belem-amazon-militia/
gq-magazine.co.uk/article/brazil-killer-cops

I can provide plenty more if you need it, but im sure you get the idea of how big the problem is here.

>Are you seriously anti-police in Brazil?!
No, im against police corruption. We got plenty of based cops like the ones in webm related that execute people FOR GOOD REASONS! The problem are cops that do it for bad reasons like not paying bribes to your local cop militia.

>They should really be equipped with firebombs so they can eliminate the favelas once and for all.
Our government already covertly sets those on fire from time to time to force them to relocate, it is usually the military that carries out the operation though, not the police.

Because it may take more than 5 minutes to figure out who killed the child. Meanwhile the dindu to using all his monkey strength to get away.

It's good to have a jew lawyer in this case. I don't like being treated like shit but I'll take it if it means fucking them over later.

what is the strawman? if an officer has probable cause they can question and detain you temporarily. if they end up not having probably cause you sue and get ez monies. barring outright corruption, what is wrong with that system?

damn Brazilbro, stay safe over there. sucks to hear about corruption, but when cops fuck people over here in the states justice is usually served and the person gets a big money settlement in a lawsuit. the only times people get fucked over are where they know a guy is a drug dealer/pimp/criminal in general and they plant stuff on him and take him down.

very few actually innocent people get fucked over. cops will fuck over scumbags if they know it will lessen crime though, for sure.