Jordan B Peterson destroys neo marxism

Starts off slow as he gets himself going but around 15-20 minute mark and onward things get quite potent and interesting.

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youtube.com/watch?v=aDRgMUoEvcg forgot the link,excuse me.

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You can't be anti marxism and pro multiculturalism. This man is not a hero. He doesn't even get it.

>you can't be pro multiculturalism
I think you should watch the video.

He looks like a crypto kike!
Did they realize that nobody likes "goyim die for me" Harris?

I am. I'll be happy if hr does, but I've never heard him criticize it yet

He has said on his twitter that "humanity" is too vague a construct to secure allegiances but that nations are proper units for it.

He does not love multiculturalism and his framework does not entail multiculturalism, as it constitutes, in part, a disturbance of people's expectation, i.e. system of meaning, which he's very concerned with protecting.

He completely goes against neo marxism post modernism (marxism under a different name when it became unpopular after mao and stalin etc.) aswell as any form of identity politics (which multiculturalism is) and several other things.

Would you stop this? I just find it autistic that people forget to staple their godamn links in their shite post

Why doesn't he just come out and say that multiculturalism is a tool of the marxists and he's agaeynst it?

No one paid attention when I posted but

JORDAN PETERSON IS RELEASING A BOOK IN 2018 CALLED : 12 RULES FOR LIFE : AN ANTIDOTE TO CAOS

PIC RELATED.

He says a lot about conservatives demanding absolute ideological purity too.

>you forgot to post the link in the op you monumental faggot
gdit.. i'm sorry it was an honest mistake..

He doesn't disagree with immigration in principle so I don't think he'll pick up that flag. But he disagree with destroying the cultural matrix of the nation in which he lives, and if you look at his feed he seems to be eyeing Islam with some strong skepticism.

Sorry Peterson isn't a white nationalist. You don't have to give a shit about him.

So?

>when you are forced to use those damn words

is there a link to buy/preorder?

kek

Not yet, here are some rules already.

I will buy that book

I don't disagree with pretty much anything he says, but I think he stops short of saying what he really thinks out of fear. If you won't say what you mean because it isn't politically correct, you're fighting marxism on its terms and you will lose.

Are you Portuguese Hoppe?

An autist would always make sure to post a link and use proper grammer, etc.

Nope

We all will.

START SORTING YOURSELF OUT NOW.

Narcissistic, pathological, pseudo intellectual masturbation via speech. I bet he has an orgasm after every one of those.

I'll be more charitable: he often says that verbalizing is not merely the expression of something pre-existent but rather the working out (sorting out) of things that are within you in potential only. It's not clear that the whole multiculturalism issue is something he's worked out.

The fact of the matter is that we do not have a framework to criticize diversity -- not an explicit one anyway -- because all of our institutions are committed to it. Where will the criticism of one of the constitutive principle of all of our institutions will arise provided that, in the west, these institutions are the very place in which critic is supposed to be produced? This is actually fucking crazy because the consequence of this is: criticizing diversity is actually up to places like Sup Forums.

There's a sense in which pepe the fucking frog matters more than academia, because only there can a criticism of the system truly emerge, and I would argue it's actually our fucking task to make that happen.

He's still sorting himself out. He doesn't want to jump the gun on anything. In a Q/A, he stated he is still sorting himself out on the JQ when asked about soljenitsyne being anti-semetic

JUST

I made this a while back. Gamers will get it.

Can someone shop the trump pic "get in we're making america great again" with him at the car window brandishing a gun. And put petersons face on there?

Need to read something like "Get in, we're off to the underworld to save your father"

>Narcissistic, pathological, pseudo intellectual masturbation via speech. I bet he has an orgasm after every one of those.
Is that how you feel about anyone who tries to be intellectual about things?

>what a fucking smug smartass, he's saying fancy things, he needs to have his head beaten in, what a smarmy little bookworm bastard

I find it hard to believe that someone like him at his age has thought enough multiculturalism to formulate an opinion on it.

Do you have a link for this?

*hasn't
*about

Psychology is a pseudoscience.

>an antidote to chaos

Is JBP going to try and take down kek? Is the prophet rebelling against the god who sent him?

Only if they disagree. It's obvious to me user is showing resentment towards Peterson based on disagreement but probably loves someone like Harris.

>18 minutes in
>brings up the frankfurt school

OH BOY HERE WE GO

It's in this video:
youtu.be/8ABa4RdNPxU

Can't recall the time but skip ahead a bit to the Q/A

True entropic chaos is the work of Moloch, the false god.
The will of Kek is a harmonious, controlled chaos.
Jordan does not seek to undermine Kek, but to make way for His light.

Ok well seems a bit harsh even if you disagree with parts of what someone is saying. Let's be fair he's saying quite a few things that according to my recollection pol/acks agree with but yeah some that some pol/acks don't agree with. So it's like "ah i don't agree 100% with all you're saying so fuck you you smarmy little narcisstic bastard how dare you try to argue your view"

Right now the order of things is chaos, so its relatively chaotic to act orderly. Ordely behaviour is a counterr, so its chaotic in that regards. Kek is working withing that frame

No no, look at the flag, that is his definition of intellectual, he's french.

>18 minutes in
>brings up the frankfurt school
>OH BOY HERE WE GO
Yeah it gets pretty decent after that, he's a bit of a slow starter because he's not necesarily the most aggressive type of person so it takes him a little while to wind himself up.

thanks family

>Is that how you feel about anyone who tries to be intellectual about things?
Anyone who claims to be an intellectual is simply a fraud by default. So called intellectuals hide behind the veil of ignorance. That speech is a representation of false consciousness. This guy has his own interpretations and understandings through other authors and intellectuals who had their own interpretations and understandings ect. This guy speaks to nobody, he speaks to himself.

>he's not necesarily the most aggressive type of person
I think this is what I like so much about him. Non-aggressive passion. Fire, without burning.
I can't recall in what interview it was, perhaps with Dave Rubin, but at the end of an interview he gave a compelling, beautiful speech about why honesty with yourself and in how you act is so important.
I need to find that clip.

>that phrasing

More Jordan Peterson. This guy is bloody damn busy. Thank God he's sorted himself out. That is that.

By your view it would seem that most people who use speech do nothing more than talking to yourself.

So be consistent and shut the fuck up.

Found it.

youtu.be/VSMJKKoza8A?t=22m42s
Enjoy, user.

Why does he look like Jared Taylor and Steven Pinker combined?

Jordan Peterson, truly a golden leaf.

No? You're confusing basic social dialogue with intellectuals speaking to crowds or students ect... Intellectuals empower ideas and concepts so that people like you continue being ignorant.

he's bloody passionate. that is that.

>t. Postmodernist faggot.

So France...what does it feel like being finally irrelevant on the world stage & the only French speaking region that still matters is fucking Quebec for Chrissakes. Lel.

Bump

g-man peterson
not bad bong

post pdf

SORT

SORT

>post PDF from the future

I'm anti-Marxist and pro-multiculture, but vehemently anti-Islam, since Islam kills all other cultures and is monocultural. Globalization/Globalism also causes monoculturalism. Understand?

I hope it's cheaper than Maps of Meaning.

>post PDF from the future
he probably meant that he might have some inside knowledge and might have access to an early draft, given that the user spoke about a book not yet published and is to be published in 2018, but probably not happening.

>treat yourself as if you were someone that you are responsible for helping
this is good advice for lazy fucks

>harmonious, controlled chaos
nigger what

I think, but I don't understand what that has to do with being anti marxist and pro multicuturalism since you seem to be distinguishing between pro multiculturalism and pro multiculture. You seem to be saying you are anti marxist and anti multiculturalism which I did not say were conflicting ideologies. It is the opposite of what I said, so you are just reaffirming what I said and your post is unnecessary

lol thought nobody picked up on that haha

>pro-multiculture
only because you're a nonwhite and you don't want to admit the adverse effects your people have on white nations.

>You seem to be saying you are anti marxist and anti multiculturalism which I did not say were conflicting ideologies.
But they ARE conflicting ideologies and multiculturalism and neo marxism and post modernism is similar thing, they just use multiculturalism as they use any kind of identity politics, to destroy the western civilization.

Peterson is against identity politics, he says it very clearly in this video aswell of how it causes infighting by group, you are of this group i am of that group and some other are of that group, and we cannot have a discussion because dialogue is nefarious to post modernism and irellevant.. They wield identity politics only as a tool to destroy the western identity and western culture, not because they believe in transgender identity but because it is a useful tool that destroys and undermines their target. You apparently still don't get it.

They don't believe in multiculturalism because to them man has no real identity, national identity doesn't exist in post modernist thinking, and dialogue is simply those who have power of group use to undermine another with oppression instead of arguing by logic, even logic is nefarious, but they promote multiculturalism because it destroys western civilization.. a useful tool to break things apart that they want to rule over. What does multiculturalism do? causing ethnic and cultural strife internally in a nation which is destructive to the western civilization and the "evil patriarchy" that they wish to burn down to the ground and build something else. If you are pro multiculturalism and anti marxist, you just have yet to understand that these are the same thing, in the sense that they use multiculturalism to destroy the western identity. Not because they believe in it.. but use it like a knife to stab western civilization in the back not because they believe in the knife. Like poison, ofcourse they don't want to inject themselves with poison but the poison is a tool against their enemy.

Do you know what the word "anti" means? Maybe I shouldn't have said anti marxism and anti multiculturalism were ideologies.

I was saying that being against both marxism and multiculturalism does not conflict. I wasn't saying that marxism and multiculturalism were conflicting ideologies.

If you want to go right to where peterson is talking about this in this very clip that you apparently haven't watched.. go to 23 minutes in where he starts to explain to you how they simply figured out that marxism by itself was too plain of an aggressor to the western culture and values that it would be too easy to point it out, and they with a sleight of hand started to promote identity politics instead.

And if you want the direct part where he precisely mentions their bait and switch it's at youtube.com/watch?v=aDRgMUoEvcg#t=29m8s

"and the idea was basically this, the working class is now getting wealthy so they're not going to rise up and destroy the burgoise as expected, and that wasn't supposed to happen, and second whilst it seemed to be a catastrophy in russia, so maybe we weren't going to do that anymore, they wouldn't buy into the marxist utopia.. oh so the sleight of hand was.. so we're not going to play it like that, so we'll do it differently we'll play identity politics, you're not oppressed because you're working class, but because you're a WOMAN or if you are some ethnicity outside of the normative society (multiculturalism) and so that is the fault of your oppression" that's post modernism for you, neo marxism under a different name, because the working class weren't buying the shit they were peddling.. so they had to mask themselves under a different paradigm.. post modernism.. grafted in the 70's.. and claiming everything is socially constructed. And essentially the majority is oppressing you, no longer saying the burgois is oppressing you, no the burgois became now the majority ethnicity ergo identity politics but it's the SAME DAMN THING!

I'm coming after you Sam Harris...You slippery kike.

Ok now i understand you better, but see my comments i just made, in case it went over your head when he pointed it out. Because vidoes like that you sometimes are watching it but not paying attention so i linked a relevant timestamp in the video that you might not have recognized at first glance what he was talking about.

Identity politics is just marxism whilst pretending not to be, replacing the burgois with the ethnic majority of the west that they want to undermine the culture and values of. And multiculturalism is essentially identity politics, if you are not doing well, it's the majority ethnicitys fault for being racist, the majority ethnicity who essentially are much working class now became the replacement for the burgoise.. And when they are not satisfied with beating on them they retreat to classical marxism against the burgoise.. so essentially they pit all against white people in the west when it is convenient, and when it becomes too obvious they fall back from identity politics to traditional marxism and claims it's the burgoise..

cool story bro

>mfw he says he detects national socialism in Trump

I am familiar with cultural marxism. You are preaching to the choir

He's saying there's some signs of similar things, and also he's very self deprecating about himself saying his oppinion is not so relevant. And he also calls it "when you radically activate on the side of the left you call for compensatory forces". He's just saying it's similar not that trump is a national socialist. But that ofcourse if you push too hard and too far from the left the right ofcourse responds in kind. The thing he himself still have to analyze is that there's a long road from loving your nation and being patriotic to being a full national socialist.. he says this aswell "maybe i'm wrong about my diagnosis". His main contention is being against vehemently the marxists, which hitler was aswell.

>he says this aswell "maybe i'm wrong about my diagnosis"
Yes and that is where it all starts.

Just goes to show his level : ^)

Hitler was just too angry about what was happening and he let his aggression get the better of him. And did inexcuseable things betraying the very thing he wanted to stand for because he TOOK IT TOO FAR, took something good and decent and then went too far. But his distate for the communists and what they promote and what they want to do is just less aggressively handled by peterson. It is abundantly clear as peterson points out many times in the video, that they want to destroy western civilization. And they are being very honest about it. And we are putting up with this continual debasement, because they did a bait and switch to post modernism and identity politics instead of blatant marxism.. Well we should learn not to get angry in the way hitler did that took it too far, but that we should start fighting against it politically and exposing these bastards without violence, because when violence talks, few good things come out of it, and they get the excuse to clamp down against those who do it like that.

>every post ITT is vague nonsense designed to sound clever while saying absolutely nothing

yep, definitely French