>tfw almost pushed to become a Libertarian, but held back by their lax immigration advocacy and lack of shits given about ethnic replacement
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>tfw almost pushed to become a Libertarian, but held back by their lax immigration advocacy and lack of shits given about ethnic replacement
What do I do, Sup Forums?
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Right of discrimination is the main libertarian value, everyone can see how in a libertarian society structures that contractually enforce traditional values will have a higher demand than those that allow for degeneracy and rampant uncontrolled immigration.
Private property is a way more sustainable anti-ethnic replacement than 4-8 years of right wing democracy.
Congratulations, you probably have normal T levels.
I feel you. I got into politics at 13 and instantly decided libertarianism made the most sense, but slowly got more authoritarian. You need to realize that national socialism is the only answer.
Libertarianism will only lead to massive immigration for cheap labor, destruction of culture and a faux government ran by corporations and bankers. You can already see this in the rhetoric spewed by most libertarians, telling us that culture means nothing because we don't pick where we are born. It's like saying we shouldn't love our parents because we don't choose whose pussy we come out of.
A lot of libertarians and ancaps think no government will be better and the free market will naturally fix things, but the reality is once regulations are gone the rich will create monopolies shutting down all competition, people will become essentially slaves and the Jews will indirectly control us. Just look at all the "leaders" of libertarianism and the authors everyone tells you to read, all Jews.
What we need to do is further restrict our borders (even for white people) so we can preserve our culture, and have actual useful regulations to make sure corporations don't take over. And once we make sure it's our own people in this country, we need to actually take care of them and not let people die in the streets. Family and country above all.
Free movement of people is also a main libertarian value. Actually talk to libertarians and they will tell you borders are part of the free market and should be completely open. The libertarian doesn't believe government should own borders and to control the border is an overreach of government.
>gibs would get no gibs
>nobody would employ or service them
>all of them leave
wtf I am a libertarian now
What happens when they flood in through the open borders, become the majority and vote in gibs for anyone who wants in?
>I do not want [ethnicity] on my property or i will consider it a violation
Free movement of people is secondary to private property, meaning, your right to travel can't suppress my right to forbid people from trespassing my property.
People who think libertarian societies would enforce integration and remove borders are thinking from a public property perspective and are therefore not real libertarians, but leftists who know a bit about economy.
>free society
>voting at all
And what of lefties that want immigration and allow them to freely move over their property?
Not everyone will have the same views as you.
>vote
Democracy is anti-libertarian and should not be enforced. If you want to have democracy within the limits of your private property be my guest, but I will find a house in a community where democracy is heavily limited.
libertardians say open borders is create. i remember the retards on Sup Forums talking about how amazing open borders and i wonder where they are? how great is it when a bunch of muslims and africans decide to move into your country and replace you?
that magic guiding hand. guiding you straight to extinction.
We'd also happily let the fuckers that come over and don't work starve to death and allow people who don't want them around to ostracise them.
It is a libertarian value and most libertarians support it, but not all of them.
Also libertarians are not necesarily ancaps, and opinions on the role of government, what is the NAP and what constitutes agression usually vary wildly from person to person.
>And what of lefties that want immigration and allow them to freely move over their property?
I wouldn't like to live with them. You need to understand that the ultimate state of libertarianism is micro-states of private property with their own set of rules, and that traditional ones would be way more valued in the market, which would lead to a bigger offer.
>current year + 2
>libertarian
>not being a Hoppe follower
NAP is emasculated and gay. Treat me the way you expect to be treated or enjoy being shot.
Im both, Hoppe is the ultimate redpill and he also is showing many libertarians they aren't the freedom defenders they claim to be. Im a libertarian, the lefties cucks who only want austrian economics yet force their morals on everyone else and have an utilitarian approach to public policies are not.
Libertarianism and anarco-capitalism aren't the same thing. Libertarianism is a minarchy and would still have voting. In reality when America was founded it was a libertarian paradise, and with each president it got more and more authoritarian. Look at us now. A minarchy will always lead to a bloated corrupt government.
The would offer a cheap workforce and take all the jobs. Where would you get the money to have your own micro state?
>You need to realize that national socialism is the only answer.
Socialism doesn't work period, regardless if its nationalist.
> but the reality is once regulations are gone the rich will create monopolies shutting down all competition
False, if you actually look at most regulations, they're to the benefit of large corporations because they restrict competition. Regulations make maintaining a monopoly much easier because it creates a larger barrier of entry for new businesses. Not to mention how most regulations have worse consequences than the "problems" they were trying to fix. A good example would be the Dodd-Frank act that made big banks even larger, or minimum wage laws that price low skilled workers out of the market and cause price inflation. That's why even Trump wants to set a rule of revoking two regulations for every one added.
I dont need to buy my own microstate, I just need to buy a house or land on a private property community that enforces through contract the prohibition of democracy and respect for the non aggression principle.
Im certain that in a libertarian society these properties would be the most valued ones, so there will be lots of rich people interested in offering them.
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>A minarchy will always lead to a bloated corrupt government.
The same can be said for socialism. It's funny you even make this counterpoint considering you're advocating for giving the government power of everyone's lives and activities.
Way to ignore
>and have actual useful regulations
Most current regulations are corrupt and need to go. It doesn't mean there isn't any good regulation.
Good luck in maintaining that and getting resources. Once people realize those property owners are that rich, stores will raise the prices to get the money out of you. Also good luck getting accepted into one of those communities without a lot to offer. Unless you're putting in a good amount more than you're taking, you won't be accepted.
National socialism isn't Marxist socialism. The two have completely different meanings.
How to become a Hoppe libertarian:
Think for a second about how liberals claimed they would move to Canada if Trump was elected, not to Mexico, but to Canada.
Think about the millions of people who vote left yet go and emigrate to more capitalist societies.
This happens because when people vote, they do it in a sense of abstraction where deciding to let hordes of refugees in won't affect you that much, their externalities are socialized and you're sure that they won't go live next to you.
In a libertarian society, people vote with their wallet and feet, which leads to people showing their true colors. In a libertarian society, the only properties worth considering would be those that offered white culture and private property, the rest would be just ignored in the market at least until other races begun behaving in a civilized manner.
Huh, that's an interesting argument.
Not to mention having multiple countries competing with each other helps the free market.
"Commerce with all Nation, alliance with none."
wtf I love Hoppe now
>Way to ignore
>>and have actual useful regulations
Just because you said it doesn't make it true. Saying you'll have useful regulations is easier than actually naming what those useful regulations are and what they do.
>National socialism isn't Marxist socialism. The two have completely different meanings.
In what way does national socialism empower the citizens over the government? They're both state socialist, and centralize power into a singular entity. When you have a large government you are running the risk of governmental abuse, especially if the "wrong people" get into power.
I didnt say property owners would be that rich. Once a community with restricted democracy and freedom begins showing signs of prosperity, many landlords will imitate the model, leading to areas with similar values but lower prices.
In the end people will offer what people will demand, and I'm 100% sure people will demand properties that are not going to lose their value within decades, so no democracy, no nigger culture, no socialism.
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>thinking lefties advocating ethnic replacement wouldn't be physically removed
This mate.
Ready for some physical removing
Read Hoppe.
thata boy, fuck these socialist cunts.
>their lax immigration advocacy
There is right Libertarianism, and then there's "left Libertarianism". The lefties has gone as far as creating one of the greatest oxymorons since the age of Anarchocommunism. And that is Socialist Libertarianism.
hoppe is a faggot autistic edgelord. no sense of the real world.
national socialism is the only way.
>White man's NEETbux is the only way.
>wahhh muh authoritariansm
What are you going to do when china or some other nation invades? Do think they'll respect the NAP?
>Hoppe is a autistic edgelord
>le Hitler was god, NatSoc for life
Become a Nationalist Libertarian like James Wesley Rawles.
>unironically shilling against NATSOC
>namefag
I want nu/pol/ shitskins and kikes to go.
Nothing speaks against a monarchy until foreign threats are no issue anymore. Everything is better than communism, be it in the form of democracy or any of its socialism derivates, national socialism included.
Libertarianism is barbaric. Civilization is derived from the word Civitas meaning city. In other words civilization is based on the collective pooling of resources for the common good. Libertarianism is just running away from the real problem which is a lack of responsibility for those in charge. We may as well go back to living in caves.
You and the communist kikes have to go now.
>National socialism
>Sustainable
You're just advocating for 8 years of your values and 60 years of saying "sorry won't happen again".
Private property is the only way to sustain your values without risk of being voted out.
>be libertarian nationalist
Welp solved that issue, OP.
>le taxes are the price we pay for civilization
>ancaps unironically worship a nonwhite zog/cia puppet
Call them lolbertarians and be a libertarian anyway
>NatSocs unironically worship a literal commie because he put "national" in front of his ideology
Libertarianism isn't pacifism. They'll respect a sovereign nation with nuclear weapons. And unlike China, we wouldn't completely disarm our citizens
NatSocs unironically worship the guy who lost the only war he fought.
You spelled Mc Nukes™ wrong, user.
YEs goyim, work extra hard for my shekels while I pollute your people's minds and gene pools and curse your Christian traditions.
Hoppe has it right; any immigration must necessarily trespass on private property and as such cannot be done without consent of those involved. For example, the highway owners have every right to cleanse immigrants who use it, and WILL be pressured by those paying for the highways (inevitably going to cause other economicissues)
I don't buy kike products and I work for a white guy. My family is strong and I can provide for myself. whats your problem, faggot?
So feeding lazy parasites and giving away your own money, which you could have used for your own family, so some nigger tier trailer trash can be kept alive is something good, because muh aryan bretheren?
>we'll be fine in the battle between civilizations because nukes n shieet
You lolberts are so naive, never in history has a successful civilization last over the millennias by applying libertarian principles to everything.
Join the next reich.
pinochet was probably pretty white, but he was definitely a puppet of the CIA/Jews and ruined his country.
Not only this, but free travel isn't the same as free trade. While free trade is mutual and gives benefit to both parties, immigration is prone to many uncertainties, because the "traded good" isn't inanimated but a person with own interests, making it a non mutual exchange. Nationalistic commies can fuck right off with their "free markets mean mass immigration" bullshit.
>Yes goyim, vote for Hitler v2.0, this won't end in 60 years of refugees welcome because giving away your liberties exposes you to being ruled by someone who despises your moral values.
The moment you accept being ruled by democracy you accept being cucked into oblivion.
>shilling against natsoc
What happened to libertarian and natsoc coexisting on this board?
Nu-pol shills get out go back to r/the_Donald
>but fascists did
You still contribute shekels due to the (((chosen))) and their banking mafias boring their way into every aspect of our current capitalistic system.
>doesn't feel ethnic comaradery
>greedy
Cuck
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there must be no tolerance given to the jewish heresy of libertarianism.
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Commies aren't political opponents, they are people who literally want to enslave you the moment they get the chance to do it. Non aggression doesn't mean no sense of self preservation.
Don't buy entirely into an ideology. You can say you're something that mostly represents your beliefs, but you don't have to define yourself as that.
>feels oblĂgated to bend over for other people because of their skin color
>I'm the cuck
Because lefties voting away libertarian principles would be something possible in a democracy, nothing is wrong with a benevolent dictatorship/monarchy to prevent any changes in the basic framework. Nobody ever claimed we were democratic.
Be a National Libertarian.
You used the "argument" first, pal, I merely mocked you for it.
>National Libertarian
Stop making up words.
How can you care about a nation when it doesn't preserve anything. A hypothetical lolberg/ancap nation would be multicultural, multiracial, no common history or any culture. I imagine most of the citizens of such a "nation" would easily surrender to an invader as long as the invader promised to respect their property.
>let's his people rot just to drink the Jewish cum of consumeristic capitalism
>r-race is just skin color
Lmao pozzed German sure is pozzed
Libertarianism is a framework that allows for multiple market choices, nationalism is one of those market choices. Totally compatible.
Family and country above all, m8.
We all fall on hard times and we need to take care of our countrymen. We need a sense of community and unity. Being selfish and only caring about ourselves is what makes nations fall. This is why the Jews that are leaders of libertarianism want us to abandon culture and identity and our religion, so that out nation will fall and they can take control.
MEMES WILL NOT DIVIDE US
Make invasion living hell. Every single square kilometer of land is going, they would have to pay the price in men. Not to mention that even in ancap this would unite all in the effort to stop the invaders as everyone has something to lose.
Pretty much this
Your libertarian nation is being invaded from the east.
"lol I have no property in the east fuck them I don't give fucks about anything unless I get money". East is conquered. Its really a shitty concept mane.
>ruined his country
Hence why Chile is still the most prosperous country in South America. Too bad he ruined it by stopping those honest-to-god communists from making it into a communist utopia like Venezuela.
Still doesn't change the fact that civilization was built on the sacrifice of people towards a collective effort to greater the living conditions of themselves and each other.
With "dude libertarianism lmao" you have rampant individualism and that leads to an United and vulnerable populace (or what once was a populace)
This guy gets it
I don't give a shit about race. Why should I? Whites didn't achieve anything, it were Germans, French, Brits, etc. I care for national history, because ethnic history is nothing more than a meme. And despite my deep care and appreciation for my nations history, getting betrayed by the very people of your nation doesn't really help creating trust. I care about myself and my family, the history lies in the past and won't come back, 90% of the German population made sure of that by being brainwashed Leftie sheep and for that, I can't forgive them. Everybody hates you, faggot, the only thing one has in this world is oneself, the sooner you realize this the better.
So I take it there are no Randroid Libertarians on Sup Forums?
>With "dude libertarianism lmao" you have rampant individualism and that leads to an United and vulnerable populace (or what once was a populace)
You've obviously not thought this through. How can you be individualist in a society that literally will discriminate you for it?
Good example of a cultural marxist victim here, the jews did a number on the germans, very sad.
>Still doesn't change the fact that civilization was built on the sacrifice of people towards a collective effort to greater the living conditions of themselves and each other.
Why don't you vote democrat then you goddamn commie? I keep what I earn, you keep what you earn. The only person who would have a problem with that mindset is a leftist faggot.
Do you even know what ethnicity is? Are you saying you care for your fellow German?
I cri everytim
Yeah, because everyone is going to be shortsighted and completely unaware of the fact that they're not going to stop at the east.
Rand was a Jew puppet. She herself said she doesn't like libertarians and hates that they are fans of her. She just wanted to trick people into her flawed ideology.