Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
You are forgetting the little fact that new houses are produced to house the population expansion of workers, not schizophrenic homeless people.
Check out Cuba, with its non-existing housing market, where the population doesn't grow, people live their lives in their parents house, and the homeless are sent to jail. So much for making an utopia.
Levi Robinson
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
Is it possible for an ideology to be worst than communism?
Christopher Lewis
>communism general pops up around the same time each day >Roughly the same time schools get out
Guess Sup Forums was right about no one but brainwashed kids being supportive of communism.
Justin Ward
take your libshit ideologies and gtfo of here. This thread is leftist b8 thread. Just look at OPs second photo for proof.. Read what organizations made that faggy pic. Fuck you OP.
Parker Cooper
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Tyler Jones
THIS IS A B8 THREAD
DEATH TO ALL KIKES
Noah Lee
lmao the catch is literally in its fucking name.
labourwave
you'll be labouring your entire fucking life while your "comrades" (i.e. 30 or so rich people) live off of you. It's like capitalism, only you don't get paid.
Hunter Martin
So what's your guys' sales pitch on communism? Try to sell the ideal of communism? (no pun intended)
Chase Bailey
"With the clarity and brilliance of genius, this work outlines a new world-conception, consistent materialism, which also embraces the realm of social life; dialectics, as the most comprehensive and profound doctrine of development; the theory of the class struggle and of the world-historic revolutionary role of the proletariat—the creator of a new, communist society."
—Vladimir Lenin on the Manifesto, 1914
Nolan Ross
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Anthony Roberts
“How come it is easier for us to imagine the end of all life on earth, an asteroid hitting the planet, than a modest change in our economic order?" -Slavoj Zizek
Gabriel Evans
According to Marxism, there are two main classes of people: The bouregoisie controls the capital and means of production, and the proletariat provide the labour. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels say that for most of history, there has been a struggle between those two classes. This struggle is known as class struggle. After The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, this concept became well known.
Hudson Lee
>You kill a fascist by shooting them, you kill a communist by waiting for them to run out of food
Jonathan Torres
Communism is an outdated technology considering our technological advancements in Artificial Intelligence and automation, as well as our increased knowledge of human psychological needs. Marx tried his best, and his analysis of the problems of capitalism was largely correct, but his solution was terribly misguided.
William Stewart
> technological advancements in Artificial Intelligence and automation, as well as our increased knowledge of human psychological needs.
All of that is of use in the service of communism.
Cooper Price
Are my eyes going or are you just retarded
Isaiah Stewart
The most failed ideology of the twentieth century. Even China and Vietnam abandoned it for capitalism.
Daniel Perry
>All of that is of use in the service of communism. But they also render communism outdated. Communism's half-hearted attempts at at integrating new technologies into its ideology simply show the cracks and inefficiencies inherent in it.
Andrew Rogers
you can't have communism without capitalism. socialism/communism are evolved capitalism.
Lincoln Anderson
emotional non-nuanced argument.
Jordan Ward
And they became much better nations with China bringing out 500 million people from poverty thanks to Deng's capitalist reforms.
Elijah Long
fuck off you teenage edgelords
Elijah Wilson
These new technologies are the more advanced productive forces that Marx postulated would arise and are necessary to create the communist society.
Ethan Adams
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Matthew Davis
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Ian Long
Sup Forums is waking up
James Brown
He didn't predict total automation, and he certainly didn't know about AI causing workplace democracy to become obsolete.
Kevin Long
>to stupid to understand a psychological analysis >denies the fact that commies lose pragmatic arguments as well Literally an ideology that pretends that costs don't exist and humanity will be just fine when all measure of value stops existing. Most economically retarded ideology possible.
Landon Johnson
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Owen Bailey
>someone tries to make an actually concrete differentiation >HURRRRRRRR LE NO TROO SGOTSMAN XDDDDD!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT YA GOOD XDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!1! IM LE TROLLING LE COMMUNIST USEFUL IDIOTS ON MY LE KEYBOARD WARRIOR TINFOIL HAT AND EBINLY PWNING LE VIRTUE SIGNALING LEFTIST NIGGER FAGGOTS XDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Charles Jones
>"someone triesto make an actually concrete differentiation"
Like considering self proclaimed marxists regimes actual marxists regimes? Like consider the abolition of private property in the farmlands an actual attempt of communism? You ironical mongrel.
Joshua Thomas
Commie regimes killed more people than any government in history.
Easton Nelson
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Angel Jones
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Jackson Ward
>implying a country is always what it claims The Soviet Union and its satellites claimed they were democratic. North Korea still does as well. That doesn't mean they're an argument against democracy.
Carson Murphy
Forgot to sage
Sage sage sage sage sage
Lincoln Scott
Socialism will always fail, don't bother trying anymore
Lincoln Carter
These AI are at the service of (classless)society in communism.
Kevin Perez
>Commie regimes killed more people than any government in history.
Lies.
Jacob Parker
no one is talking about fucking democracy you nonce are you seriously going to sit there and say abolishing private property isn't socialist ???
Socialism includes the socialization of private (not personal) property, but abolishing private property doesn't necessarily indicate socialism. What's more, Private property existed to a degree in some self-proclaimed socialist states.
Levi Anderson
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Brandon Harris
Nice try, cucktalist
Charles Richardson
Saved.
Of which the vast majority of those deaths are in Africa? A continent known for its Marxist governments that were widespread in the 70s? All of your stats were 20x worse back then. All developed countries are capitalist for a reason, it's the only economic system that presently works.
Austin Powell
>racist criminal justice system Lmao, do you deny that niggers commit more crime?
Ethan Phillips
Fuck Communism
Alexander Watson
Please stop posting bait
Brody Nguyen
all the isms are the fucking true evil + Money (one eye)
Juan Miller
Karl Marx predicted automation will devalue human labor and break capitalism in Capital, 170 years ago..
Sebastian Collins
>Socialism includes the socialization of private (not personal) property co-ops are capitalist >but abolishing private property doesn't necessarily indicate socialism yes it 100% does >Private property existed to a degree in some self-proclaimed socialist states yeah, the ones that voted in a socialist party like Portugal
You're post is rubbish and complete sophistry you should be ashamed of yourself
Carson Perry
>indians dying due to diseases they had no immunity to is because of capitalism
Truly leftists are some of the dumbest fucking beings in existence.
Logan Hall
How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society again? Oh wait, you don't, it's a delusional ideology.
If only all pragmatic discourse didn't prove that it was the ideology the problem, if only the econmists that were sent to re education camp and killed for being "rightists" didn't predict exactly what would happen, maybe your shitty argument of "but it wasn't REAL communism" would make a little more sense.
Oliver Evans
Are you going to deny that the settlers were capitalists? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Lincoln Ortiz
What about the smallpox blankets, offered by the capitalists to the Indians?
Grayson Torres
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Evan Rodriguez
Do you privately own means of production?
Thomas Anderson
It has nothing to do with capitalism or any economic theory, and they were feudalists.
I'm not saying capitalism hasn killed people, but it has done so less than your failed ideology.
Automation has existed for decades.
Juan Ross
Capitalism is falling apart in front of our eyes. I hope you have a solution to fix it, because it isn't going to fix itself.
Robert Gomez
write sage in options >remember write sage in options > sage in options
John Rogers
Who decides what my needs are?
Who needs a smartphone made some time the last 5 years?
Who needs a dedicated graphics card in their computer?
Who needs Doritos, Oreos or Jelly Belly jelly beans?
Connor Williams
That they had no idea Indians had no immunity to?
Leo Hill
spam thread
saged
Alexander Myers
who needs food
just some breadcrumbs and rainwater is enough
Jordan Carter
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Chase Barnes
Automation is accelerating. Human labor is being devalued, and more wealth is being concentrated in the capitalist class. 1% of the population owns most of the wealth. It has only one trajectory: worse. Factory jobs aren't coming back. Self-driving cars will kill 5 million jobs in the US alone.
Marx predicted all this 170 years ago. Capitalism is an unstable system. It always falls apart given enough time to run its course.
Parker Carter
>100 million indians died because of individual freedom >holocaust? All because of private property. >WWI and WWII regimes? All libertarian paradises
>USSR abolishing private property and making collectivized farmlands that starved millions? That's not real communism! >Mao abolishing private property and trying to collectivize all industries? Not real communism. >Pol Pot abolishing private property in farmlands and trying to collectivize them? Not real communism. >Socialist derg in ethiopia abolishing wage work in farmlands ending with the deaths of a hundred thousand due to starvation? Not real communism.
Can't get more autistic and delusional than commies.
Zachary Rivera
Try UK gov in India Or Independent India
Henry Gomez
Do you know how to measure costs in a communist society? Are you going to post that paper from those 3 socialists paid with taxpayer money that cannot actually defend their thesis again?
Oh, never mind, you are just going to ignore me. If you ignore me, why would I actually answer any question from you?
Landon Anderson
emotional non-nuanced argument.
William Cooper
Watch as how capitalism will adapt to automation and continue surviving. Factory workers are a dying breed. It's by in large baby boomers who work them. Automation of cars will require an overhaul of infrastructure, it won't happen for another 30 years. Even when it does, we aren't going to switch to a socialist economy. We'll just see jobs that rely on the operation of manual vehicles be replaced with ones that don't.
Aiden White
Data science bitch. We have the statistical models and AI that didn't exist 90 years ago to run the economy much better then the chaos of the free market system.
Care you elaborate, you delusional fuck? What type of code are you going to write that will value resources for human beings in billions of different geographic locations with billions of different wants and needs and billions of different skill sets?
May I link you to the three socialist teachers that claimed it was possible and then never actually defended their thesis. All this "le super computer communism" is just a silly fantasy. You can't value things after abolishing the only method of valuing things, which is obvious. In fact, notice the delusion of commuinsts here: >"we won't need costs, costs are a capitalistic invention" And then some other commies go >"we'll make a market socialist society to know costs!" Then other commies >"the communist supercomputer will be able to simulate planet earth as if it was capitalistic and will tell us all the prices"
It's almost as if it's just a delusional cult with no congruent nor solid pragmatic beliefs.
Jeremiah Walker
Okay I'm sure putting your hands on your ears and screaming about the non-issue of automation will work
Charles Jones
>DUDE communism is inevitable Automation literally kills your ideology senpai The LTV is shit
Daniel Gutierrez
Capitalists don't understand technology and human nature.
Adam Martin
>co-ops are capitalist I never said that co-ops couldn't exist in capitalism. >abolishing private property 100% indicates socialism Objectively false. If a state abolishes private property in theory but still has a class system where a class owns the means of production and another class has to work those means, that isn't full socialism according to most socialists. >private property only existed in places like Portugal Have you opened a history book? Bureaucratic and authoritarian states like the Soviet Union had private property for the party elite. There was still a class system. It just called itself by the name of socialism rather than capitalism, while ignoring some fundamental tenets of socialism. >sophistry Stefan Molymeme cultist detected. >How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society again? Oh wait, you don't, it's a delusional ideology. Look up the workings of a command economy. In a system like democratic centralism, workers' councils report to a central party, and centrally decided policy is binding to all involved groups. In decentralized systems, individual groups and small units decide their needs. In market socialism, the market still exists.
Evan Flores
Hey, idiot, retards like you have been afraid of automation for centuries. People thought that farm owners would control civilization thanks to automation around the times of marx, and yet, after all the automation and insane boost in productivity, in developed countries farmlands became a smaller percentage of GDP, while food became cheaper and more available.
Literally every generation of "technology will take er jerbs" gets disproved within their life time. This has been going on for almost two centuries.
John Gomez
Looks like a fake quote. The entire point of those absurdly large death tolls is to parody the broad criteria used by right wingers for deaths under communism or socialism.
Elijah Williams
>capitalism will collapse this time said for the billionth time
Wow. Marx predicted automation of certain blue worker jobs would happen, he also predicted financial crises yet capitalism is in fact getting stronger in developed and developing countries. Hoe many financial crises have happened since Marx? A shitton.
Capitalism exists because there hasn't been a workable alternative that generates the economic growth and wealth known to exist so far.
Grayson Rodriguez
No, you faggot, I won't look it up any more commie bullshit, I already looked up enough. Explain to me how do you know in whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society or get the fuck out.
Also, I thought costs didn't exist? Or wait, why commies want market socialism if you can just have a central economy? Wait, why a centrally planned economy and not a supercomputer AI? Oh yeah, the whole ideology is just a conglomeration of fantasies.
Levi Garcia
>Still didn't kill more than communist regimes. Wrong. Famines under British India killed tens of millions by most measures. That's within the same league as Mao.
