Jobs aren't coming back

More and more jobs will be eliminated by technology. For example we will soon have driverless computer-controlled truck convoys and taxis. Millions of jobs will disappear. We need to develop a system to equitably distribute income to all people, so that those forced out of the job market are still able to live a decent life as respectable citizens. We can produce everything that we need without the requirement that everyone must have a "job."

ok think this through retard

who then has any money to buy automated products?

We will absolutely end up giving everyone baseline sustenance, but it will still be rat race struggle for the couple remaining jobs. Having a job will become a status symbol, even if the lifestyle benefits it affords are totally negligible.

If everyone had a 14 inch dick, suddenly 20 inches would be the new length every guy wants. We are genetically designed to want things that prove we are better than other people.

>We need to develop a system to equitably distribute income to all people
Or we reduce the working hours and create millions of jobs as needed.

Full automation will take a while. It doesn't remove all the jobs at once. It also has some positive side-effects on the economy and can lead to new markets being developed

The economy can be reengineered to keep people busy. As has already happened. Most service-industry jobs already are pointless busywork. This is nothing new.

Mostly this argument is just idiocy propagated by liberals to make people believe that it doesn't not matter if Trump brings back the jobs. First it was that he would never do it. Now it's that it doesn't matter. Then it will be that it won't last even a few years. Reality is that people will be way better off than before for at least a decade. And then we'll be in the future. Thanks Trump.

Well someone has to build/maintain/install all the automated machines.

Maybe more people should learn how to do those things in the future.

>Or we reduce the working hours and create millions of jobs as needed.

I like this idea a lot.

this is the problem we're going to face unless we head toward some sort of universal basic income meme

This should have happened already though. We could all be working 20hr weeks judging by our production levels.

Damn, did you hear about that there newfangled invention, what is it called, err, the a-u-t-o-m-o-b-i-l-e? Yeah, I hear its ruining the jobs of carriage drivers and horse shit cleaners! We need socialism to solve this problem!

>More and more jobs will be eliminated by technology.
Yeah...so deny the worthless interlopers or send em back. Quality only.

They are trying to push UBI m8. Easy solution: Don't buy McDonalds. Get more money to circulate nearer without the ceo sucking it all up.

Basic Income

Its easier to talk to a cashier than make an order on that thing

That's the problem though. You aren't a respectable citizen if you contribute nothing and generate no wealth.

Idiot NEETs sitting in their basement playing video games, single mothers of 10 kids on the welfare dole are not "respectable citizens", and they deserve to literally starve to death if they have no gumption or ambition to actually pull their own weight.

Your inability to generate wealth through action, ingenuity or forging yourself into a useful person for society is your downfall and should cost you and your loved ones. Not society.

It is not the obligation of the producers to ensure the non-producers survive winter.

Go fuck yourself.

Marx predicted this ages ago

One of the biggest companies we all know has already killed off their entire development team. They outsource all their development so they don't have to pay medical, insurance, etc.

Jobs aren't leaving just for the cashiers, they're leaving for everyone.

Yeah I'm sure teaching your average Joe Computer programming and engineering should be a simple task.

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This is why I am getting a job in a field that can't be replaced by machines...at least for a while.

And it'll be ages before it happens, if it's even possible

Gee golly bill that robot took your minuim wage job after you demanded 15 dollars an hour for your minimal work maybe you should take up a trade and get a real job that can't be automated

I'm not paying for someones lazy ass. Get your commie ideas out of here.

SF is testing driverless buses already.

Then why do we need immigration if lots of jobs are being eliminated?

>For example we will soon have driverless computer-controlled truck convoys

No we won't. Automated trucks will never be driver-less. Way too fucking dangerous. Plus the regulation happy DOT would never allow it. You'll always have someone in the truck until the technology is perfected to the point that every car on the road is driven by computer. I worked in administration for a long haul company for a few years and the DOT is one of the most hardcore government agencies around.

Fuck off Shareblue, you will never win, the internet hates you.

Universal Basic Income means the end of class mobility.
Nobody is going to give you a check and a wall-e chair and a slurpee as a reward for nothing. They're going to kill you with poisoned vaccines or third world hooligans.

Get rich before they cull everyone who isn't rich

Withwr everyone has to work or no one does. I garunter we can find work for everyone but not everyone WANTS to work. Fuck you that's not a reason. You should contribute to the community someho in order to reap its rewards like safety and convenience. You don't have a job? Your job is to clean up. Or maintain the grass and trees. Watch the brats. Help other people with their jobs. I'm all for easing up on our currently difficult work situation but more like 4 hr days with better pay. Putting an end to working entirely will only lead to an even lazier population than we already have which is probably our biggest social problem and we have a lot.

This, automation is about to hit and millions of driving jobs and other low skill jobs will be lost. Because of this people will be flooding up the job market competing for the other jobs causing further unemployment and lower wages, might as well shut down the border right now so immigration stops or else it will ruin everyone's wages.

>Big corporate jobs become more automated
All the more incentive to invest in small businesses

Universal Basic Income

>I like this idea a lot.
Hell yeah me too.
Yup. It's what technological progress should all be about.
Creating a massive underclass of unemployed and a small elite of employed (who has to deal with a massive labor surplus) isn't ideal.
It disempowers citizens within their own society. Makes them mere cattle in constant need of pacification. Socialism devalues human life.
Lower the working hours and still making ordinary people participate in the real inner workings of their society is better. and less dehumanizing.
Reason it hasn't happened yet is that free trade was being used for world order reason. It did make China capitalist. Probably not a bad thing.
But it's also social control. Give people too much free time and they start becoming deviants (this can be both good and bad). Also a side-economy might develop due to people being too idle. Mass surveillance might make these problems more manageable.

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shillage

will this effect my EBT balance?

>Everyone now floods to jobs like this
>Market becomes over-saturated with workers, leading to low wages and vast unemployment

Great thinking Frank. But gee willikers, I think we might be in quite the little pickle!

I think it's fair to say that more small business will thrive as a result, not because they're cheaper, but because there's a void in the market for face-to-face customer service. I think we're a long way off before complete automation.

how many of these gay threads are you going to make?

M8 the government just prints money out of the air as it is already, it's all debt, shit's fucked

People don't do well with nothing but free time.
Happy people have a purpose.

Useless celebrities and welfare have the same problem. Without purpose they devolve into hedonism.

That machine won't fuck up your order.

How the fuck is this a shill thread? Is any thread not praising Trump considered shilling now?

good. hopefully i will get what i fucking ordered. Also if they pay people in the back better then maybe i wouldn't get sick half the time i eat at mcdonalds. this move could not come sooner frankly

its sad when communists realize their ideology is retarded so they instead excuse their ideology with false hope for technological advancement.
Just admit it. Communism will never work. UBI will never happen. Your ideology is retarded.

Just a few things to point out.

This must be accompanied by:
>No minimum wage
>Removal of all other forms of welfare
>Abolition of all tax breaks and refunds including tax breaks for donating to charities
>No net and no chain immigration
>Policies to reduce breeding of jobless persons

Thank you and have a good day.

Nether will a cashier who speaks english you dumb fuck.

The struggle is real

To be fair though, the dollar is what is going to control that... If there is enough interest and more importantly lobbying for it, the DOT won't be able to stop it. And as you know the shipping industry is huge with a ton of regulations only in place because of their human drivers.

If I had to bet, I'd say the only thing that would be driverless before long haul trucks are taxis (ie Uber)

>Put self check out registers in stores
>People are too stupid to use them without an employee holding their hand

I'm frankly not going to be worried about this until the two current generations of technologically inept old people die off.

Its clearly a shill thread by /leftypol/ If you can't see that your a nu/pol/ faggot and need to go back.

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Maintaining machines is different than design. It's blue collar work.

This and checked.

Working a wage for set hours proportional to certain pay bracket is the biggest meme of our era.Slave tier mentality.

There are simply winners and losers. It only matters how much money, not how. You can become a millionaire overnight trading. How is this possible if society is really built on 'paying your way'?

It is a fucking scam.

We will never see social security.

Everyone gets a base of X dollars for juse being a part of the program.

If you have a job on top of that then you get X+Y for your total.

And taxes will hopefully be able to be directed by citizens say I am due to pay 30% or whatever, I control where (some of) my taxes go.

>THERE ARE NO JOBS, AUTOMATION WILL REPLACE ALL YOUR WORKING CLASS JOBS

>WE NEED ILLEGALS BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY JOBS

liberal logic

This.

>Free Money
We've done this already. It's called welfare and it's for niggers.
Has it made niggers less niggerly? Or given them more time to perfect there niggerdom further taxing society?

Yeah, you make a good point actually. I guess it really just depends on how rapidly the technology advance. Long haul companies would love driver-less trucks. Wheels running 24/7 without having to pay miles to a human. I'm just skeptical but the DOT could easily be lobbied which i failed to consider.

It's a ways away but you do raise a fair point.

>Because the people that work at the register at McDonalds are all high IQ individuals

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Those pot smoking rejects can't make simple change without the register telling them the amount and they STILL fuck it up.

Just this weekend the sheboon at the fast food joint I went to charged another customer's order to my card and had to take 8 fucking minutes to figure out how to fix it.

Who is this chocolate bar guzzler?

>A FUCKING LEAF
>Actual inelegant argument
Am I in the twilight zone?

Society based on helping each other is the only way. Have people learn robot mechanics in school. If they don't fix the robots they don't get food

Wrong. Robots can do diagnostics and service too.

Picture riding in your driverless car and it loses power. A diagnostics drone is automatically dispatched to plug into your car's computer and then orders parts needed to fix. 30 minutes later a second drone arrives with parts needed and proceeds to fix your car.

This is the future.

you're a fucking idiot

Why do you dumb fucking retards have such an unrealistic view of the future.
Pro tip; everybody who has ever predicted the future has over estimated our progress.
You will not live to see driverless cars.

You're telling me if you had the ability to travel to every continent, every city, every neighborhood... experience every culture, eat any food, listen to any music, read any book, learn any language... To practically experience everything on the planet at ANY time with no consequence... you'd rather just snort a line of coke instead?

>niggerly
>niggerdom
I cant believe its been 15 years since ive used those exact words
Top kekkity

Tfw all redpilled people abandon (((cities))), move to struggling small towns, establish "no automated shit" laws, and Make Small Town White America Greater Again. Christian churches flourish.

Tech goes big, people go small.

NYC meet the Bible Bane Belt, niggas. Yankee bots BTFO.

How?

We have basic income. It's called Social Security. Try getting the retirement age lowered a bit, eh?

WHy doesn't my auto car just use wifi to broadcast the signal to the nearest metal overlord station?

It's the biggest Broken Window plan in human history

maybe in 10,000 years.
By the time they have the technology to do that humans will spend their entire lives in simulations anyway with the only obligation of breeding for replacement rates.

>Store makes you do work for free that you didn't have to before.
>Prices stay the same.
>This is somehow a good thing.

Hmm...

it is exceptionally hard for machines to diagnose themselves. you would need to integrate a human level consciousness or better, and have 3+ redundant computers and 2 redundant components for every part of the car if you wanted it to diagnose itself properly.

>A diagnostics drone is automatically dispatched to plug into your car's computer and then orders parts
Even the the robots get useless jobs in the future.
You realize a self diagnosing car can just order its own parts right?
Please tell me you arent this retarded
Top kek

oh shit, I won't have to talk to niggers at a restaurant any more

WHAT WILL I EVER DO

LOW SKILLED EMPLOYMENT IS TO KEEP THE UNWASHED PLEBS BUSY SO THEY DONT COMMIT CRIME OR RIOT ALL DAY

UNIVERSAL INCOME DOESNT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, THEY NEED TO BE KEPT BUSY

MAKE A WIDGET BUILDING FACTORY AND A WIDGET SMASHING FACTORY, TRUCK THE WIDGETS BETWEEN THE TWO

>Wanting a manual job.

No no, we need illegals because people don't WANT those jobs AKA we're not willing to pay people enough for them to want to work here so we're gonna import a bunch of third worlders who will.

No no leaf. You're problems will be much worse than that :^)

HAHHAHHHA. have you ever used a computer to do anything other than shitpost. hahhaha. robots. hahahhahaha. do you have any idea what it takes to build, install, support and upgrade even simple systems. there will be more god damn jobs then ever before ahaha. fuck, look at windows 10. it takes two fucking engineers just to keep it from patching itself incompatible.

Whatever. The point is that hardly any jobs are safe from automation. Even programming and servicing robots can be automated.

>it is exceptionally hard for machines to diagnose themselves
An AI recently beat the best player at Go. With DeepLearning it is very plausible.

>You realize a self diagnosing car can just order its own parts right?
Maybe. The details don't matter. It's the idea that robots can replace nearly every job.

It's gonna be funny when McDonalds fully automates and all the poor as fuck and braindead kids can no longer find work

>ITT retarded communists shilling basic income. Probably to either probe the idea or drum up support for it in leafland
this. This example is one of easiest and well trodden way to trick people into universal income


The shift created by the technologic takeover of jobs is going to sort itself out via free market.

You already see a lot of people going into STEM as a result of this. There's less stock in dumbfuck 9 to 5 factory job putting parts on a conveyor belt and more jobs developing around marketing the end product. This is why you see so much focus on design, marketing, and ergonomics in product design. Individual craftmanship is dead. Getting rid of all these factory working middle men almost improves the quality of the product as a whole and requires people to educate themselves. Most of the sentiment against this shift comes from paleo conservatives and centrists defening about how the 40's and 50's were so much better because everyone worked in a factory.

Affordability is part of a successful product so we always have to be able to afford it if they want to sell anything

Nah, we need system to euthanize all the useless trash.

The problem is that the producers are now able to produce without a working class. This is why the producers now support the welfare state politically, they depend on it to generate consumers. We need a universal basic income or a butlerian jihad eventually or literally 99% of the global population will starve to death.

>An AI recently beat the best player at Go. With DeepLearning it is very plausible.
stop throwing fucking buzzwords around you picked up from reddit.

>Maybe. The details don't matter. It's the idea that robots can replace nearly every job.
oh fuck off with your techno-commie bullshit.

>Whatever. The point is that hardly any jobs are safe from automation. Even programming and servicing robots can be automated.

Any job related to customer service is going to be safe for at least another 100 years. People are just too stupid to operate tech on their own

Where did he say anything about snorting a line of coke?
>Traveling to every neighborhood on earth
That would get boring really fast. Besides the fact that everybody else would want to do the same thing meaning when you went to London it wouldn't be filled with Londoners, it would be filled with other tourists like you.
The funny thing about utopia is that they are all actually dystopias.

>sheboon
>speaks english

retard

>import third worlders to work shit jobs
>third world workers bring fat usless goblin wives and dogshit children
How does this even benefit anyone but the third worlders?

>Those lazy faggots need to find work!
>I can't wait for those lazy faggots to be out of a job!

Hmm...

t. Industrial maintenance worker

Are you first in like russkie? Somehow I doubt that you have a PHD related to robotics and AI.

Half the jobs will be automated, the other half fulfilled by cheap foreign labor. Americans will be homeless or call centers for china.

>it's a white genocide under the guise of automation thread thread

imagine when we're all sitting around doing nothing. the purges will begin.

Well I mean, it benefits the corporations that can hire them for slave wages.

>Where did he say anything about snorting a line of coke?
It was referencing his assumption of devolving into hedonism.
It is your opinion that stuff may get boring fast as my view on it is subjective. I have a huge list of places I'd like to visit and things I'd like to experience that (combined with my laziness) would likely take me beyond my lifetime.

Its so clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
Watching a 20 minute video about computers doesn't make you an expert.
You sound like those old people that refuse to go onto the internet because they're scared of the internet. You are merely scared of technology you don't understand.