Just hear me out. So a big problem is that right-wing groups and parties in the West are viewed as "illogical" according to the media, and many citizens, because of their religious beliefs. It allows the more "educated" coastal liberals to laugh and scorn at us and not take us seriously.
Right-wing groups need to start using science to justify nationalism and racial/sexual realism. I know that this is already done by some people, but I think it needs to be the *primary focus* of right wing groups. They need to abandon the religious angle and focus on why, scientifically, their views about human nature are correct.
The GOP just learned that this election when Trump won.
Austin Rodriguez
This post has a misleading title. I will never abandon my faith.
Adam Morgan
it doesn't matter what we adopt or abandon, we will always be viewed as the 'villains'.
Ethan Reed
>Right wing groups and parties are viewed as illogical By cultural wastes and degenerates. We don't need their votes, we need to remove their ability to vote.
Jayden Ross
I agree. I love Christianity and what is has contributed to Western civilization, but it's made conservatism rigid in ideology in the last 50 years.
However, non-traditional parts of the right (ancap to NRx) are nearly exclusively not religious. I think that says something about the direction of establishment conservatism next generator or two
Robert Jones
Basically I think the overton window needs to be shifted further to the right. In this day and age, suggesting that different groups may have different rates of achievement due to their genetics is a big no no. We need to start making it a more acceptable idea that race is a real thing (evolution has affected humans and produced differences within us) and also that men/women have biological differences in the brain as well that result in different behaviors. We have to stop making it such a taboo to suggest that human beings may be different from one another.
Also, I'm tired of nationalism always being tied to authoritarianism. We need to shoot back at the liberals, by asking them "So, do you think its ok to force nations to abandon their identifies and take in anyone?". We need to frame it so that the globalists are the authoritarians who are destroying the concept of national/cultural identity.
Jackson Clark
maybe you should be trying to get democrats to be more religious, or more right wing instead. our brand is flourishing. atheists are a small impotent fringe minority group, regardless of how they're propped up by the media, their opinions don't matter
Logan Williams
>made conservatism rigid that's the point of conservatism
Ryder Bennett
Sweet. Now you're no better than a Marxist. I'm all about steering away from degeneracy and nontraditional moral structures and a little bit of right wing crackdown, but once you actually consider killing these people, you probably shouldn't have power.
Inb4 alt-lite
Tyler Fisher
I agree, but I don't think people should have to abandon their religions. Just religion as a central tenant of their political beliefs.
Chase Williams
I don't think people have to personally abandon their religions. I think that right-wing parties need to stop acting like religion is a part of their guiding philosophy. It makes them look totally retarded. Most moderates hear it and think "Ok, so you're not basing it on anything logical, you're basing it on a religious text with no proof". That is what they think when they see conservatives groups justify being anti-abortion and anti-gay with bible quotes.
Colton Ward
The problem is, most people lack the awareness to identify the little nuances that not only define their culture but also partly define who they are. At the conscious \level, no shit people are the same as you. But as you delve into the ego and id the differences shine through like night and day.
Josiah Cox
Yes and no. Conservatism as a political ideology more has to do with the use of hierarchy. But I agree that it's it is the "more" rigid side, but it still must adapt to great societal changes. Neoconservatism was a fucking disaster that made the entire conservative group unelectable.
Isaac Morgan
Lol if any leftist tries to bring up "muh Christianity" you can point out how the left bowed down to the most oppressive, disgusting, shit, goat fucking religion in the world.
Dylan Edwards
>le atheist agenda meme People here have freedom to worship whatever they please. Most already are atheist.
The bible or any religious or holy text may not be the "end-all be-all" to moral grounds, but they provide insight to basic human interactions and moral compasses. While not the best literature to base a life or belief around [spoiler] because it's all made up anyway [/spoiler] it's still worth looking at or even referencing sometimes as support to a claim.
Colton Ward
Again, though. They view Islam as a religion of peace and are pushing for its acceptance. Many of them are even converting. They only hate the religion aspect of the right because it is a part of the right. They are independents.
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Tyler Wood
>Just hear me out. So a big problem is that right-wing groups and parties in the West are viewed as "illogical" according to the media, and many citizens, because of their religious beliefs. It allows the more "educated" coastal liberals to laugh and scorn at us and not take us seriously.
You have freedom of choice during life - but God isn't required to follow or fulfill your ludicrous fantasies...
is that way. I personally don't get the point of LARPing, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
OP isn't saying we should give up religion, OP is saying we shouldn't have to use religion to prop ourselves up.
If anything, we should be paying more attention to the classics. To Seneca, to Plato, to our Greco-Roman heritage. We literally learned the answers to a huge number of our problems and then forgot them because LOLJESUS and LOLRACISM.
Our ancestors answered questions that are still asked today; we should listen to them.
Jose Sanchez
Without spirituality and hierarchy, why be right wing?
Mason Scott
>People here have freedom to worship whatever they please. Most already are atheist. where is "here?" san francisco? america? Sup Forums?
William Edwards
>I personally don't get the point of LARPing, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Because science and reality support the notions of tribalism, inequality and hierarchy. It's not that cultures shouldn't have spiritual aspirations, but they need to first justify their societal order scientifically.
Blake Rodriguez
That's part of what I'm fighting for so fuck no faggot go kill yourself. Don't fucking like it? Then you're the enemy too.
Gabriel Davis
That's not true though. When I debate about abortion with liberals, I always bring up birthrates and immigration as being the reason as to why I'm against it (a nation can't sustain its nature if it can't sustain itself).
They typically don't listen though. Then again, I'm not trying to convince them. I'm trying to convince any moderates that might be listening.
Dominic Morgan
It's tough using science when you have liberals lobbying to literally change science (homosexuality / transgenderism not being a mental illness) specifically to give those groups civil rights based upon their illness so they can virtue signal for likes on jewbook
Nicholas Hughes
women dont bow to science, they bow to religion. We have to win back the women to win back the west
Ryan Parker
why have faith in god when you can KNOW HIM instead? yadayah.com/
Nicholas Hughes
>Right-wing groups need to start using science to justify nationalism and racial/sexual realism. This doesn't preclude having religion. Listen to some of Jordan Peterson's lectures.
>Lefties laugh at us Who cares? They can't do half of what the Right Wing can do.
Camden Hall
Most people in the US are "culturally Christian" and know next to nothing about the religion. Personally, I blame our shitty public schools and culture of mass media diluting the quality of preaching. Case in point: . He knows nothing about the history or theology of Christianity, doesn't go to church, doesn't pray, yet still identifies as Christian.
Things shouldn't be done because they're "Right wing". Things should be done because they're the right thing to do.
Robert Jackson
noice first. Also, image-related.
Jacob Gray
I never said we should kill them, but your abhorrence of violence and readiness to accept the horseshoe meme exposes you for the cuck you are.
Adam Kelly
You are completely right OP, but your reasoning is shit.
We need to abandon religion because it is fucking stupid, not because it will impress the fucking Marxists.
Luke Davis
I agree it gets tough, when the concept of science always gets manipulated. The fact that the soft "sciences" like sociology and psychology have been allowed so much legitimacy is very frustrating. And due to the process of peer-review it seems unlikely that any studies with racialist meanings would get published.
But really, if it's about actual truth, then approval from organizations isn't needed, you just need to get the truth out there.
Jason Ross
>He knows nothing about the history or theology of Christianity, doesn't go to church, doesn't pray, yet still identifies as Christian.
Moses is a fraud - therefore "Christianity" is a fraud and certainly not "theology." Just a bunch of wannabe kikes.
Horseshoe theory is fallacious because it says that full gay luxury communism and 14/88 esoteric hitlerism are the same when taken to their extremes.
It's not fallacious to say that no matter what your ideology taking "Do what I say or you get shot" to its logical extreme leads to a system that uses violence to perpetuate itself and the control over the populace irrespective of ideology or beliefs.
Jace Turner
Many people might be theists, just not of a specific brand. The american right is literally christcucks. They need to bring all spirituality in the fold to get some mew ager votes.
Cooper Thomas
yeah i've always thought it was bizarre, the accusation that we're justifying our pro-life stance with scripture alone. there's really nothing explicit in the Bible about abortion, other than "thou shalt not murder." even most atheists believe murder is wrong.
hell, i've even had a liberal atheist try to make a biblical case that life begins after birth because of some "spirit of the wind" passages they were eisegeting.
nah
Levi Wright
>tfw you decide to slay the dragon of marxism by redpilling an army of neets on the power of myth and the place of religious belief at the foundation of western civilization
Jordan Brooks
oh HELL naw. If anything this entire timeline has shown me, is that there ARE forces at work bigger than the individual and that we can move mountains when we are of the same mind.
William Price
>He knows nothing about the history or theology of Christianity, doesn't go to church, doesn't pray, yet still identifies as Christian.
No. How about you shut your fucking mouth and stop trying to reddify Sup Forums faggot? Conforming to appeal to the masses is what liberal ideology is exactly about. You take God out and there will be no fucking differences between them and conservatives. It would open the door to the degeneracy that is rampant across the globe. Sweden is the perfect example.
Matthew Rodriguez
*Mexicans
Colton Nguyen
Not an argument. Church is always separate from State.
Adrian Long
We already do use science to justify it. It's not how we justify it that gets our arguments thrown out, it the people we are speaking our arguments to that throw it out arbitrarily. If we use science to justify it they'll just brand science as wrong - oh look, they already did that. With women, weight, gender dysphoria and race they labeled science as wrong. We're not going against logical people here, we're up against ideologues who don't care one bit about what backs your reasons up.
So your encouraging of people to hamper their own religious beliefs for the sake of getting the argument across better is doing nothing but shifting the Overton Window further left by ensuring religion is hidden away.
In fact, not only do we have science to back up our arguments but we have mountains of dead bodies to back it up too and they still ignore us. So why on Earth would they start taking us seriously if we went against our own religious beliefs?
This is either A) a concern troll thread or B) a thread from someone who hasn't properly thought about what's going on.
Nolan Thompson
>They need to abandon the religious angle and focus on why, scientifically, their views about human nature are correct.
And whenever they already do this, the media just mocks them and calls their science fake science.
The answer is just to not care about the MSM and co-opted academic "intellectuals" in the first place. And this is already happening.
John Collins
no it really doesnt matter how you justify it, but the problem is liberals cant think in any terms other than emotional. you can spew as much data, facts, and evidence you want, but it wont matter because then the liberals are going to argue morality. you have to be able to argue morality to immoral people, which is a losing argument anyway, but if you can catch a liberal taking shit and call them out on it, then you win and the argument breaks down around them in a manner that is so convincing that its hard for even the most diehard liberals to ignore.
Luke Reed
Digits of truth. The Right has good ideas but is perceived negatively because it is associated with irrational religious conservative bullshit. Make The Right Secular Nationalists Again.
Alexander Hernandez
>them >they >ideologues The point isn't to convince the ideologues. The point of a debate is NEVER to convince the opponent. The point of a debate is to convince the LISTENERS.
OP isn't saying you need to stop going to church. He's saying that when asked "Why is abortion bad" you respond with the fact that it destroys societies, lowers birth rates, and acts as a quick fix to fuel hedonism instead of some lukewarm "t-the Bible s-says..." because that just makes you look like a cuckservative at best, an idiot at worst.
Cameron Ortiz
At best I can pretend to care about the god of abraham. I have no problem using him to appeal to cuckservatives, but ultimately there's more virtue in eating a pot brownie and pondering life.
Isaac Garcia
This is what we are talking about; whining about niglets getting aborted (I.E., crimes being prevented) and whining about gay marriage (with matters fuck all in the big picture) is getting us nowhere.
Jonathan Morales
>However, non-traditional parts of the right (ancap to NRx)
Techno-Commercialist master race.
Zachary Jones
It's not atheism we are talking about per say but social libertarianism in place of retarded religious conservatism.
Austin King
>per say >retarded religious thanks for the laughs
Caleb Lewis
But we are, by and large, avoiding the use of Biblical reasoning when talking about this stuff. In fact, I can't remember the last time I heard someone use Biblical reasoning to back up an argument like this.
You do make a very, very good point about how the point of a debate is not to convince the opponent.
Jordan King
>per say
Benjamin Thompson
>per say >calling others retarded W E W
Justin Hughes
Free markets and ethnic community?
Nathan Russell
An ethic community wouldn't hold together simply because it was ethnically homogeneous. Faith, in one form or another, has always and always will be the binding force of successful nations, homogeneous or otherwise.
Angel Nelson
Inb4 (((free market)))
Luis Collins
>Without spirituality and hierarchy, why be right wing? It's an evolutionary stratagem
Carter Perry
>the only difference between preserving White civilization and letting Whites be replaced by Third-Worlders is whining about niglets getting aborted and shit that doesn't matter like gay marriage
Mcfucking kill yourself.
Aiden Davis
>Neoconservatism was a fucking disaster that made the entire conservative group unelectable I don't know, the GOP did pretty well in this election.
Nolan Sanchez
We are conscious of our creator and without His love, we are doomed to spiritual malaise.
Hunter Parker
Fucking retard.
Angel Price
The Holy Bible is scientific. Have you ever read the Bible? God landing in a craft discribed by Ezekiel should be on Ancient Aliens, or how about a dude building a ship that saved many animal species, or Jesus using his voice to knock people down and raising the dead, or antigravity Jesus. Dude, if we use the name Jesus in some peoples company they come unglued and maybe you even Grimmice saying Jesus at a University class? These coastal professors and liberals are inhabited by evil spirits. You need to read how Jesus made a demon(s) give him their name. It was LEGION! A thousand evil spirits were on one dude. Jesus made them leave and they asked Jesus to let them jump into a herd of pigs. As soon as they jumped the pigs knew it and ran to a cliff and jumped! The Creator gave you an Owners Manual for the human body peak performance. All True diet science to this very day.
Can you say Jesus around your friends or do you grit your teeth.
Look in a mirror and say Jesus and watch YOUR facial reactions.
The Book of Genesis God created the stars and the moon. Then he created the Earth. Today scientists are baffled by the moon being older than the earth.
Too much science for the average bear so you call it mythology.
Read the Bible with a science mind. It's the Word of your Creator to you.
Don't let anything keep you from reading the Bible.
Deus Vult.
Sebastian Morgan
We should make new myths to preserve our culture, our society.
We should make new myths to elevate us, and destroy our enemies.
Jeremiah Cox
There is a difference between having a competently atheistic society and having a secular state, you Mongoloid. All OP is saying is that we should stop our retarded fixation on abortion and gay marriage and focus on things that actually matter.
The most successful and free societies are Confucian (non-theistic civic spirituality) BTW.
Wyatt Green
The entire Trump platform and appeal is shitting down (((neo-conservatism's))) throat.
Angel Nelson
no need for new myths when the old truths of Christianity work just fine
Hudson Cook
I wasn't replying to OP, you mongoloid. I was replying to someone who said that an ethically homogeneous nation is a good substitute for a spiritual nation. And there you go, telling me that the most successful societies on Earth are spiritual societies.
Chase Rivera
So you agree with me?
Jace Robinson
That's essentially what the social issues of the day are. No politician wants to use science on these issues, so that's why social conservatives continue to lose and social paradigms continue to move futher left. The fucking libertarians are complicit in this, of course, many are leftists at heart
Robert Brooks
This 100%
Christian Long
>The fucking libertarians are complicit in this
We dindu nuffin! (reminder: Gary 'Bake The Cake, Kike" Johnson is not a libertarian).
Easton Reyes
Christianity has failed us, it has been subverted. It no longer has a warrior ethic. It know longer values civic virtue. It has been corrupted.
The cuckservative order that sent us to die for the Sauds and Israel so the Carlyle group could become rich has subverted it.
We can build something better, fresh and exciting out of the rubble left by post modernism.
Why not meme our own religion? We already have acolytes of Chaos, and Kek.
We control the memes. We can do what others have done, but better.
Ethan Adams
Just checked, didn't realise it was you who originally said that free markets and ethnic community are a good replacement for spirituality.
So, no, on that point I do not agree with you.
Dominic Jenkins
Free trade neocons ran ahead of Trump in a lot of places including the PA senate race.
Wyatt Powell
No you fucking hang yourself and live stream it bitch. > The "abortion is the only thing keeping niggers at bay!" meme. As if they need some doctor to kill their babies when they do it themselves most of the time. Anyone got that webm of that pregnant black woman with a coat hanger?
Adrian Carter
>So a big problem is that right-wing groups and parties in the West are viewed as "illogical" according to the media, and many citizens, because of their religious beliefs. The majority of Americans don't trust the MSM >It allows the more "educated" coastal liberals to laugh and scorn at us and not take us seriously. And? Your point? The less seriously they take us the easier it is to get things done under their nose so we can watch them cry about it >Right-wing groups need to start using science to justify nationalism and racial/sexual realism. I know that this is already done by some people, but I think it needs to be the *primary focus* of right wing groups. People already do that. Just because you're religious doesn't mean you can't read stats you fucking moron >They need to abandon the religious angle and focus on why, scientifically, their views about human nature are correct. People already do that using statistics.
Now fuck off and stay off, religion is a fundamental block of a stable and civilized society. Every culture has had a religion with the possible exception of the USSR. It gives the dumb hope and most teach women to be, well, women as opposed to fucking screeching harpies.
Shit thread, have a random image from my redpill folder.
Jaxson Morgan
Spirituality is ideally organic though.
Colton Cook
It culls shitty Whites too. Margret Sanger did nothing wrong. Make eugenics great again.
Christian Lopez
I don't think Christianity is the thing that failed us, I think we failed ourselves. Christianity didn't tell us to fuck off and go be irredeemable cretins, we told Christianity to fuck off because we wanted to be irredeemable cretins without the rightful shame that should come with it.
Ideally, yes. But with a religion so old as Christianity it wouldn't really matter if it was or wasn't organic. It provided a very real set of values to live by and held nations together for a long time. The death of God was only fairly recent and look how far we've fallen in such a short time. So, organic or not, Christianity has done a good job and its importance shouldn't be shunned.
Ryan Sullivan
>muh weed >muh gays >muh abortion >muh open borders
Granted abolishing all government programs would do much to fix this country's culture in and of itself, but there are certain issues where state intervention is favorable.
Proper immigration, for example, as well as fault divorce
Aiden Barnes
How about we abolish all right wing views and tradition so the liberals will see us in a more logical standpoint, hear me out the liberals biggest problem is that they hate tradition, religion, and right wing political views so how about we abandon it all so we can get more fags in our ideology.
Liam Phillips
>Per say >Social libertarianism nice bait retard
Brody Bailey
>>muh weed
There is literally nothing wrong with legal weed.
>>muh gays
There is literally nothing inherently wrong with being gay.
>>muh abortion
There is literally nothing wrong with eugenics in general and abortion in particular.
>>muh open borders
Is not a libertarian position; read Hoppe, nigger.
>Proper immigration
Is no more a 'government intervention' than protecting private property or insuring contracts.
>for example, as well as fault divorce
Divorce strictures are also not 'government intervention' since legal marriage is a contract with a state which can decide what ever stipulations it wants. Don't want it? Don't sign it.
David Ross
this already happened and the result was a bunch of middle of the road spineless impotent republicans licking the boots of democrats for the last 30 years
Charles Moore
Dumbshit.
Charles Foster
The fuck have you been? Cuckservitves cucked on immigration but have always whined about irreverent social issue bullshit.
Thomas Johnson
What is wrong with social libertarianism?
Carter Hall
You belong on a rope kike. Weed makes men not give a shit and leads to more degeneracy
Gays leads to aids and unprecedented amounts of degeneracy (See: any homosexual rally ever especially the one at Mike Pence's house)
Open Borders: See Sweden for template example of open border policy
No fault divorce has also lead to degeneracy as divorce rates skyrocket and families die leading to more degeneracy, Hoppe 's writings are little more than memes now son its time to grow up.
Zachary Torres
conservatives no, christians are too decentralized to make a general statement like that, but most are against illegal immigration
Henry Miller
Never said I abhore violence. I just don't like ideological purges of masses of people
Henry Thomas
>You belong on a rope kike.
Hilarious and original.
>Gays leads to aids
Then illegalize spreading STDS (with would be my policy). Those who knowingly spread STDs should be killed. That is what you do if STDs are really your concern; straight degenerates also spread disease you know. The problem is promiscuity not sexual orientation.
>unprecedented amounts of degeneracy
Meaningless buzzword. Also, under libertarianism, crass displays on private property can be physically removed.
>Open Borders: See Sweden for template example of open border policy
Get reading comprehension, nigger; I said I OPPOSED open borders.
>No fault divorce has also lead to degeneracy as divorce rates skyrocket and families die leading to more degeneracy
Read my post again, nigger. Let me clarify: I do not support no-fault divorce.
>Hoppe 's writings are little more than memes now son its time to grow up.
Not an argument.
Matthew Campbell
Being against illegal immigration is not enough.
Luis Nelson
By 'organic' I mean 'not forced by The State'.
Wyatt Collins
HOW TO BECOME AN ATHEIST >Think of another religion >Think of reasons why its god is wrong >Apply to your religion
