>can't fully repeal Obamacare without removing preexisting condition protections, which even many Republican voters like and will be angry to see go away - lose voters
>can't go the Obamacare-lite way without angering people who were taught by the Fox News machine to viscerally hate anything associated with the "Obamacare" label - lose voters
Why do blue collar Republicans vote against their own economic interests?
If dems can go from "don't call Russia our chief geopolitical rival that is a bit inflamatory" to the shit we have now after a few years then Republicans can turn around on this.
this faggot is so fake i just want to punch his face
>Trash the whole thing
>use Rand Paul's bill and call it Paulcare
win across the board
Paul Ryan is a traitor
That would require him being on our side at some point.
>can't fully repeal Obamacare without removing preexisting condition protections, which even many Republican voters like and will be angry to see go away - lose voters
lol implying theyre republicans and not just rednecks that voted for Obama b/c he promised gibsmedats and also voted for Trump b/c he also promised gibsmedats
>can't go the Obamacare-lite way without angering people who were taught by the Fox News machine to viscerally hate anything associated with the "Obamacare" label - lose voters
epic strawman
if you want small government and the free market, you're just a brainwashed drone.... ok, thanks for your opinion socialist
because they have principles/morals and don't just use the government to steal from other people to make their own lives better
>jobs
>gibsmedats
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when you use the government to favor some businesses over others.... when you heavily tax people for voluntarily trading with other countries....
yes, that is socialism and yes those jobs are gibmedats
communist countries have the lowest unemployment rates in the world, they also fucking suck to live in and are immoral hellholes
Anyone stupid enough to support the inability to deny based on pre-existing conditions, who would actually be affected by its removal, won't notice or care that it's gone.
Unfortunately it looks like Trumpcare is going to retain this language, even though it is the worst part of obamacare
>Unfortunately it looks like Trumpcare is going to retain this language, even though it is the worst part of obamacare
Not the individual mandate?
There's a difference between rewarding people who don't contribute and making conditions favorable to contribute
Even if we had effectively zero corporate taxes and no minimum wage, companies would still not want to do business here because Americans expect their jobs to provide them with a certain quality of life and we still have regulations on little things like safety and cleanliness. Chinese companies have no such burdens
Trump's tariffs actually are the free market at work, in a sense. They put our labor supply in higher demand because that labor comes with broader access to the relatively wealthy American markets
Well I guess the mandate was the worst in terms of the precident it set, but the no deny part had the largest immediate negative effect (namely, driving up everyone's premiums dramatically)
I am constantly amazed Paul Ryan is still Speaker of the House. Anyone else?
>Why do blue collar Republicans vote against their own economic interests?
Religion
Yes it is amazong
I like Trump for the most part, but you Burgers are ridiculously retarded on healthcare. This shit cannot be left to the free market. Government has to regulate healthcare. What I care about regarding Trump is triggering lefttards and destroying cultural marxism. Can't do that if he has to deal with this healthcare bullshit non-stop. Universal health insurance is the only viable system. There is no other way to provide decent care to all citizens. Republicucks should swallow this red pill and apply Germany's healthcare system 1:1 to the US and your problems are solved.
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You assume everyone deserves it and they don't. You're the one who's brainwashed. If you can't contribute to society you probably deserve to die.
This meme held a lot more water when Democrats supported unions, tariffs, employee rights, and welfare.
They've become parodies of themselves.
This
>You assume everyone deserves it and they don't
This attitude is why the Jews win. Hell, you probably are one.
The majority of healthcare spending is due to chronic poor lifestyle choices. Why should citizens subsidize people suffering the consequences of a lifetime of careless vice?
State-funded healthcare is immoral to the highest degree. Make every man his brothers keeper and watch how they behave.
>Want to keep a lot of Obamacare features
>Want to remove the actual funding sources for them
What the fuck economic sense does that make? This is their own fucking bill.
Curse of the left.
Once you give an entitlement, it's difficult to give it up. This is why the left is a cancerous parasite feeding off the people. It's why you can't give them an inch.
I say we place all leftists into camps and hang them all for treason.
Citizens all ready subsidize the corn monoculture farming in the midwest. That is poisoning our country, and is highly related to our obesity rates. But these subsidies only help the elite landowners in the midwest.
Corn subsides are a drop in the bucket, but more importantly, nobody makes another person eat too much food
This Obamacare-Replacement Bill is a GOP bill. They control all branches of government.
This madness is theirs.
You cannot have full repeal without a better replacement in place, and you cannot keep Obamacare's features without proper funding for them.
The two Republican stances are in complete conflict.
It's hard to eat healthy when you're in a food desert or in the inner city with no car.
Also, the corn subsidies may be a drop in the bucket, but they're destroying local, healthy, and diversified produce for monoculture farming.
Don't worry, soon enough a Democrat will be in power and Republicans can go back to doing what they do best, being the opposition party.
And neither wing of the GOP is making economic sense.
You repeal without a better replacement, you're fucked. You repeal without funding for Obamcare-Lite's features that you keep in, you're fucked.
That's the problem with entitlements. Get the populace hooked on the sugar, they go through withdraws if you try to end it even if their parasitic behavior will kill the host. Granted Democrats don't have any qualms about buying votes with other people's money and certainly aren't going to educate their constituents about the adverse effects. All democracies end when the populace finds they can vote themselves gifts from the treasury.
The Republicans will never agree on replacement, the stances are day and night. More than enough want full repeal and nothing less, and plenty want to keep Obamacare as a Diet Coke.
>stealing
I can see you don't understand how sovereign currencies work
You and all other retarded shills completely miss the main point.
YOU CANNOT FULLY REPEAL OBONGOCARE WITHOUT 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE, 60 votes that the GOP DOES NOT HAVE.
And will not have until MAAAAYBE in 2018, but it would need to gain 7 or 8 seats.
At most they can 'reconcile' it, but that has limits.
Moronic burgers do not even know how their constitution work.
I suggest a more constructive approach to entitlements. You create an environment that is absolutely rich for the establishment of small businesses, and you gradually remove the number of people living on said entitlements. You build prosperity from the ground-up.
If we can subsidize people sitting on their ass, we can shift resources to make small businesses work.
In order words, you free people from entitlements without being demonized for cutting the actual entitlements themselves. You just dramatically reduce the number of people on entitlements through the creation of small businesses.
That's truly constructive.
Being fat isn't about what you eat, but how much. More importantly, your notion that corn has replaced vegetable farming is just a lie. The flyovers have never produced significant ammounts of anything besides corn, grain, and potatoes
Pay for your own things, fucking Communist.
lol
Preexisting conditions are the biggest fukcing meme. It defies the whole idea of insurance? Why would anybody sign up for insurance until he got serious illness? Oh under Obamacare you at least got fined. Now it would be fully subsidized healthcare. Totally sustainable.
One of them expressed a desire for universal healthcare.
They can't even agree on replacement with the votes they DO have, lol.
(Also, holy shit. 77 and 777 back to back)
JUST REPEAL THE FUCK THING. R E P E A L IT.
Fuck the fat fucks that can't pay for it.
it's all going to become a medicaid expansion no matter what party is in charge because while everyone wants to complain about the replacement, the fact is Obamacare is a failure. The Medicare expansion will have a forced restraint from pre-existing conditions by increasing the deductible. Therefore preventing people from just trying to wait until they need health insurance before getting it. As it is now, you can simply wait until you have some major problem (a pre-existing condition) before buying insurance. Thus nobody wants to pay in until they need to. Sending deductibles through the roof. In other words, having health insurance is unhinged from having health care.
You sign up for insurance in case of an unforseen problem. Which is why companies should be able to deny for pre-existing conditions.
Create small businesses and you reduce the number of people ON entitlements without the political risk of actually cutting them.
The entitlements still technically exist, but because you're reduced the number of people on them, you save money.
What about this is hard to understand?
Hitler was a leftist
the insurance market will continue collapsing in on itself so long as there are preexisting condition protections
And if the GOP fucks it up, they'll own the failure. They run the show, and they've had 6 years to draft a replacement.
There's no fucking excuse. They've had more than enough time.
he ran on the reform party ticket to sideline buchanan so that buchanan wouldn't split the vote from bush II
the fact that alot of libs dont understand that concept makes me reeeeeeeeeee,
also tpbp
Which will never, ever be lifted. The voters like said protections, no matter what the full-repeal Conservatives declare.
Can I get a rundown on Rand's bill? What's so different about it and Obamacare?
Small buisness owners are a minority while people sucking off the government tit are a majority. Which one will the politician play to? It's not about logic or what is good for the country. Republicans are the only ones that give that sort of thing any lip service. Democrats actively squelch out any attempt to reduce entitlements as that's their base.
Do the opposite of what they expect. Copy Japan's healthcare laws.
Non profit hospitals, clinics, etc
Doctors have to be in charge instead of business admins.
Government controls prices and holds them as low as possible.
Employer or you buy insurance. If you cannot afford. The government buys your plan.
Healthcare so cheap, that my friend's Japanese wife pays less in yen at the no insurance rate, then if she used her husband's american insurance.
Taxation is theft
You have a warped neoclassical view of business. In what industries are these businesses being created. How can they compete with multinationals. Who will buy the $180 pair of jeans manufactured in the US since importing materials is no longer tax deductible?
And also there's now much less incentive for healthy people to be insured, which is one of the major original sources of funding for Obamacare. The fact that Congress thinks they can lower premiums with this plan while reducing the chance of people being able to afford enrolling is insane
I'm sure it's political suicide for the Republicans, no doubt conceived in some think-tank petri dish.
They are retarded because they force me to pay for their Medicare, but stopping health insurance companies from dropping people arbitrarily is evil socialism.
What great argument really makes you think. Poor people don't deserve health care your right user
What does the government granting entitlements have to do with your taxes?
Inb4 government spending is paid by taxes. Just lol
The republicans in congress all think this, but they never say it outright
Right. Democrats create the mess and blame everyone else for not being able to clean it up. Not one republican voted for that mess and democrats used every trick in the book to pass it. Democrats were in power when it's failure was imminent and didn't do shit.
We all know who the poor people in USA are
if the deductible is more than they can afford, do they really have healthcare?
As opposed to just leaving people on government subsidies? That is a massive drag on economic growth.
>repeal Obamacare in its entirety
>draw up a new system which incorporates similar elements
?????
By the way what happens with private medical companies if USA goes full retard and implements single care?
GOP voters fall into two camps, those who suffer doubled premiums due to the rule, and those who don't care that it would help them.
>forced to pay medicare tax to fund unhealthy boomers
>have preexisting condition so you can't buy health insurance
>greedy boomers think this is a fair system
It's working out great in states that actually worked with the replacement. Kentucky did a great job with it. In states that refused to expand medicaid it's terrible because there's too many sick people in the market. Republicans did everything they could to hamstring ACA.
Well you could have just let Hillary win and allow Obamacare to bury the Democrats, instead of the Republicans, lol.
If premiums become even less affordable than they are now if the bill is passed, then yes, the Republicans will have to own this repeal
Agreed, comrade
So let's invest in fucking infrastructure. Turn the USA into a first world country once again while finally destroying the benevolence of austerity myth
>>can't go the Obamacare-lite way without angering people who were taught by the Fox News machine to viscerally hate anything associated with the "Obamacare" label - lose voters
You presume the Dems will run someone reasonable in 2020 when we all know they will be running an open-borders you didn't built that commie complete with used-up cunt attached.
The right will vote Trump. They're already pot-committed. Trump understands this. Rand does not.
Partisan hackery at it's finest.
Are Republicans going to lose majority in the 2018 mid-terms? I don't want that double-down "progressive" crap the Dems are selling
>I know this is bait, but I'm still triggered like alittle sjw bitch.
Healthcare would be so much better if the government would just FUCK OFF.
We don't need mandatory insurance,
we don't clauses that force doctors to provide shit,
we don't need anything that will artificially raise the cost of medical expenses.
If you live your entire life smoking, drinking, eating, and not moving from your XXXXXXXXXXL McChair,
then you deserve to pay a fuckton for healthcare,
but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can't do anything that makes sense. We have to play the democracy card,
even though WE'RE NOT A FUCKING DEMOCRACY
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Which is why the GOP will never achieve consensus. The red states that benefit from Obamacare are fundamentally at odds with the ones who don't.
They won't pass an agreement before the mid-terms in 2018.
>Republicans fight a bill they know they can't repeat for 8 years to win votes
>They actually attain so much power that they can do anything
>They mill around and don't actually change anything
>The insurance companies still absorb the same burdens and there's still a different kind of penalty if you cancel insurance
>The insurance industry doesn't care because they'll continue to make record profits under either party
lol, sad.
>becoming venezuela is in anybody economic interest.
This is exactly why government benefits are problem.
>social security
>welfare
>obamacare
Once the government decides to give these benefits to their citizens, it becomes NEARLY impossible to take away because the party that takes the benefits away commits political suicide.
Fuck lefties. They need to be publicly executed.
You mean more Big-Government shit?
No. there were a fuckton of reasons why people voted for Trump and Republicans.
Healthcare wasn't even close to being the biggest issue.
You're right, fat boomers shouldn't get healthcare subsidization either
>This shit cannot be left to the free market. Government has to regulate healthcare.
Fuck off. You worthless Euros don't know shit about free markets.
What's your proposition?
The employed no longer have to worry about benefits. As long as they're employed, they don't collect entitlements.
This is why job creation is essential. Put people to work. Jesus, Fucking, Christ.
the individual mandate and the pre-exsiting conditions are inextricable. You restrict companies from denying people who suddenly get cancer without giving them a war chest from the healthy citizens. You would destroy the insurance industry as no one would get insurance until they get cancer. You cannot have one without the other.
They stop being "free market" and eventually become an hero because of it. No profits to be made when you can't shill a needy public anymore
This is why big pharma has opposed single payer from the beginning
A dramatic increase in employment for people who are currently collecting entitlements.
In other words, they're being paid to do nothing.
Democrats 2020
Back to the gulag
As shitty as it seems to deny people with chronic illness health care on a gut level, it's even shittier economically to require insurers to cover people in this group. It's like giving someone a mortgage who has no ability to pay and subsidizing their mortgage by charging everyone who can more, with their margin built in on top of it.
It's working in Kentucky? You believed Steve Beshear? He expanded medicaid and had no plan to pay for it. The only apparent plan in any of the Obamcare mess is to lose power to republicans and then blame them from "taking away" something they weren't going to get anyway.
>raising my taxes AND healthcare premiums is in my economic interest
it's a huge fuckin country m8 filled with shitskins who are indoctrinated to think my race is the problem. yea fuck putting more money into its government
In fact your question is "why do republicans vote against MY economic interests of more handouts"
As opposed to that disaster going on in Kansas? The GOP there was forced to try to raise taxes.