This thread is for Discussion of Libertarianism, Capitalism, AnarchoCapitalism, and the physical removal of communist fags from our board of peace.
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GENERAL READING LIST (feel free to make suggestions to expand this list)
>Basic Economics - Thomas Sowell
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>The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
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>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
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>Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle
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>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition - Ludwig von Mises
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Ryder Brooks
HOPPE READING LIST
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property (1993; 2006 2nd edition)
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>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline (2015)
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>Democracy—The God That Failed (2001)
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>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism (1988; 2010 edition)
mises.org
>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy (2014)
mises.org
>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production (2003)
mises.org
>The Private Production of Defense (1998; 2006 edition)
mises.org
>Economic Science and the Austrian Method (1995)
mises.org
>What Must Be Done (2009)
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Owen Hall
I'm waiting for that portuguese faggot to start spamming hoppe pictures that no one reads.
Jack Ramirez
impressive, my father, being over 70, he dies in the street ?
Jonathan Martinez
Ayn Rand was a jew who lived off social security.
Kayden Rivera
if the market can't provide for him yes
Liam Williams
Ayn Rand wasn't a libertarian.
John Diaz
As it should
Cooper Russell
...
Noah Rogers
We'll have jetpacks
Owen Baker
Would you let your father die? If you didn't care for him, it would be your fault if he dies, not the fault of everybody else.
Xavier Phillips
>If people don't give my father money he will die
Why don't you? We all have fathers to take care of. You sound like a terrible son.
Henry Parker
fair enough, I seem to be mistaking economics with politics
Cameron Young
Look you and your father are free to join a socialist collective
Mason Mitchell
It's not just my father (he is doing fine), if you only reward winners (there can only be one winner), what about the others ? That's not how sports work.
Aiden Jenkins
Besides wallonia's economy is fucked because of social programmes
Ethan Howard
some corrupt gang of maffia crooks, no thanks
Jason Anderson
>there can only be one winner
Not the same Belgian you are arguing with but there can be mutiple winners.
Chase Hall
If you lose you either get backed by your family or some charity organization or you can gladly fuck off for all that I care. My family always has my back, so that'd be not an issue for me and that is all I care for.
Julian Phillips
>there can only be one winner
May the best father survive.
Caleb Nelson
SO this is a belgian thread, is belgium converting to libertarianism/ancap
Aaron Clark
So many freaking Belgians in here i'm /out/
Aiden Collins
Bumping with best snek
Camden Ramirez
You sound like a shit son.
Aiden Jones
Hello there Belgiumbros!
Jordan Watson
But even the "losers" in wealthy societies are better off than some of the winners in shitholes.
If you had nothing in your pocket and you had to pick a country, would you move to country A which is full of rich people or to country B where everyone is equally poor?
Hudson Barnes
NVA, typical leaches, buying flemish votes with money, you are fucking worse than walloons
Matthew Butler
>lolbertarian right
yea, ok, whatever you say hippy
Evan Lewis
Calmez toi Guillaume.
Kayden James
>REEEEEEEE DO WHAT I SAY
Noah Moore
feudalism version 2017, not even I am stupid enough to think that will work
Adam Sanchez
I am a walloon you dumb fuck
Robert Jones
That is not feudalism
Luke Hughes
Men must be governed, however much that may hurt your fee fees
Angel Martin
I know, but there is this big elephant in my room.
inb4 a pink elephant
Levi Sullivan
>I need someone to tell me how to live.
Men? Sounds more like a child
Gavin Kelly
YEs By the market
Justin Rodriguez
And let me guess. You get to govern them because you know best, right?
Alexander Russell
Minarchism best ism
Aaron Martinez
BUMP
Mason Adams
>muh live free and wild, nobody gonna tell me what to do
Time to grow up user
>meme market
No, I know my place in society. Too many people refuse to accept the reality of their situation, it's pretty unhealthy for society.
Christian Robinson
You put your faith into a system that is easily corrupted. You believe the state is entitled to the money you earn. You need government to protect you. You put your faith into man and deny the fact that man only favors himself. That's why we need a system that thrives off of that.
Ethan Ward
>"time to grow up"
>needs to be told what to do and what not to do by daddy gubmint
Blake Baker
>No, I know my place in society.
Is this you?
Julian Kelly
I'd agree that some level of dicatatorship such as monarchy are preferable to the barbaric rule of the masses, that is not the point of libertarianism/ancap
Luke Sullivan
stop imposing your stupid language on me
Nathan Reyes
A right wing Walloon That is pretty rare to see!
Joseph Fisher
Anarcho-Capitalism is JUST as DELUSIONAL as COMMUNISM.
If you want your country to be taken over by mexican druglords who will institute their own bought & paid for police state, and constantly feud with eachother over control using violent rather than any sort of political means, go ahead and support anarcho-capitalism.
If you want your country to be completely taken over by rich kikes, or any other corrupt force, who will pool money and then use it to overpower whatever shitty ass police force you paid for, support anarcho-capitalism.
Anarcho-capitalists should move to brazil, or mexico, and see what their political philosophy would REALLY look like.
Ancaps literally can't refute this.
They are too retarded to understand that human nature is corrupt and needs to be checked by the force of law, unmotivated by money. And that almost all corruption is BECAUSE OF MONEY.
IF YOU'RE ANCAP YOU NEED TO STOP BEING AS UNREALISTIC AS A GODDAMN COMMIE
Camden Anderson
u kno antifa is pretty close to antifag, if u just went around with a sharpie scrawling g's on on the antifa posters it would be pretty pointless i guess
John Thompson
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Lincoln Bennett
>You put your faith into a system that is easily corrupted.
Corruption is reality, you're never going to change that.
>You believe the state is entitled to the money you earn.
The state is entitled because their legitimacy is backed by arms, as it has always been and will always be.
>acting like a child
>accuse others of being immature
ok user
>subhman slav accuses fascist of being antifa
Welp
Libertarianism/ancap isn't really all that compatible with a dictatorship, I would say.
Nathaniel Nguyen
Lol eat shit you bootlicking classcucks
Liam Roberts
Why are there so many Belgian broeders here?
Bentley Cooper
AK is proletariat gun dude we use rocket launchers
Jose Miller
OMM
Lincoln Edwards
I'd like for an anarcho-capitalist to try and refute anything I've written here
Asher Young
>you have to pay them or else.
That's exactly what my problem with taxes is. States have proven to act in sefl interest time and time again. We need a system that people are not in control off. Is that full ancap or something else idk. I'm open for discussion bit one thing is clear. If you put people in control of everything then they end up fucking everyone else.
Cameron Cox
also that corruption that boils down to greed can be used to form a better world.
Connor Jackson
No I'm accusing you of being a cuck.
>muh strong leader
You have severe daddy issues. Sort yourself out before you go forcing your views on others.
>subhman slav
Speaks volumes about about you when you're dumber than a subhuman then. For all I know you're a crackhead from Detroit. But more likely just Hitler worshipping trailer trash that no one outside this North Korean rat trapping forum takes seriously.
Nathaniel Powell
What's stopping others from competing for the same?
Jaxon Edwards
just me
Jonathan Foster
Oh god.
Libertarian SCUM, the very reason our country let the enemy in the back door "do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt me, but I will pretend society and culture dont exist and watch it get flushed down the toilet."
DIE!! you are the SAME kind of fucking piece of shit traitors that starting the ethno-masochistic genocide in Europe.
NAP = GRAB YOUR ANKLES BOHIC
Jackson Howard
Can you phrase the question in a less unclear way?
Christian Gonzalez
represent
Thomas Rivera
in football you have the big names, but they have to arrive from somewhere, you can't just have messi come out of nowhere
Liam Young
Sorry lol. What's stopping others from trying to control the police forces like you said? It would turn into a huge battle that ultimately because of the amount of different players would result in a stale mate. People would relise it's pointless to even try.
Brayden Price
>That's exactly what my problem with taxes is.
Well that's too bad.
>We need a system that people are not in control off
Dreams is all that is. With a power vacuum comes those who are willing and able to take power, and you're right back where you started, or possibly in a worse situation.
>also that corruption that boils down to greed can be used to form a better world.
>can
I don't necessarily disagree with greed not being a bad thing, but any benefit is only going to be a side effect.
>No I'm accusing you of being a cuck.
Said the lolbertarian.
Germans are just the same as you to me, anglo pride worldwide.
Carson King
what's the moral justification of helicopter rides? I mean the ones where people are asked to leave before landing.
Lucas Watson
>can
>means it can't
Name one government that can be trusted. That's my point.
Nathaniel Thomas
unfortunately for you, the 'lolbertarian' is the correct guy to fill that power vacuum, as inperfect as he might be
Benjamin Garcia
Corruption is reality, but there are ways to leverage corruption against success, it's called transparency
Jackson Gonzalez
I hope so. The Belgian government is just a criminal organisation that gained control over the violence-monopoly at this point
Cameron Cook
As long as they have a different political view than me. It's all good
Camden Anderson
Cartels don't exist if drugs are legal and use is minimized. Feuds cost money so the best solution is leave each other alone.
And why would you think the police force would be shitty? The state is notorious for corruption and inefficiency. The richfags would be better off taking over the current system. But guess what. They can't do that. The best they can do is corrupt it. And in ancap corruption is minimized through the free market.
>move to a failed state for real ancap
Garbage argument. If ancap is the consequence of a failed government that means the people chose it over the government because the govt was so shit.
Colton Barnes
If you distribute the awards of the winner to the others, why the fuck would humanity ever strive to do anything?
Chase Williams
pft
lolbertarianism would create a power vacuum.
Who said anything about trust?
Jason Gonzalez
Again, it would be like Brazil or Mexico. Look at how hard it is for the Mexican GOVERNMENT to control Drug Cartels. Unless you could create a force of far greater strength you really wouldn't stand a chance. You can say well we would allow the drug cartels to sell drugs freely in our area, and therefore they wouldn't go to war with us, and that works until you realize that if you try and sell drugs yourself you get beheaded, and the cartels will most likely form a monopoly on all goods, corrupt YOUR police force with their greater funds or with terror (which they are so much more willing to do than your more moral group) and eventually you end up living under their rule as serfs, far worse off than you would be under a capitalist democracy.
Ian Gonzalez
come up with a better idea
Cameron Lewis
>cartels in a free market
Stop.
Jose Howard
are
you
assuming???
mexicans???????
would be able to subvert????????
and enslave?????????????
WHITES???????????????????
in what "ocracy" would that EVER happen?
Zachary Perry
>Cartels
Drugs would be legal in ancapistan assuming whatever property owners allow it. And what a shitty example for you to make that mexico somehow represents an ancap society when their public police force has been completely bought and paid for, and the u.s prohibition on drugs has allowed the cartels to exist.
South american shitholes are generally doomed by public corruption and half assed socialist policies that feed into yet more corruption. Your whole point is that money corrupts people and then you suggest that there must a monopoly on security provided by the state that is already corrupt and the consumer has no choice about it.
Evan Russell
They couldn't maintain it in a free market.
Christian King
>Cartels don't exist if drugs are legal and use is minimized.
All corporations would essentially be allowed to act as cartels regardless. They would be able to quickly create a paid army to MAKE YOU buy their product.
>Feuds cost money so the best solution is leave each other alone.
Until the point of the Feud is to centralize control, which will lead to even more money. Then the feud becomes worth it, especially if you believe you can easily takeover, which a rich and immoral corporation unchecked would do. Look at a corporation such Monsanto. If they could take over a large area simply by paying people to do so, do you think they wouldn't do it for the ridiculous capital/power gains?
Carson Ross
They would be able to maintain it with force, easily bought & paid for.
Brayden Gutierrez
See
Leo Harris
What if wealth wasn't based on money and was simply based on bartering goods
David Bell
>I want to have a free, privatized economy and military but have no governmnet
What the fuck is the difference between this and anarcho-primitivism? Aren't you just essentially tribes living isolated from the world, then? What's to stop you and your "free non-gubbment boot lickers" from being invaded from millions of troops from neighboring countries looking for some land?
How the fuck are you supposed to protect your borders without a government? Private militias?
Sure, ancap may seem like the perfect dream, but it doesn't seem like it will ever work in reality.
Henry Mitchell
These people have no conception of the power of a modern centralized military force.
Connor Diaz
>hey, it costs me 6 dollars to manufacture X and I sell it for 8, i'm making money :D
>hey, it costs me 6 dollars to make the product and 1300 dollars per troop per week to force people to consume it... i'll just put the difference on the card
Isaiah Harris
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You know insurance companies would basically act as a police force, right? You're not just gonna have companies terrorizing people. There is still law and a justice system.
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>you can easily takeover, which a rich and immoral corporation unchecked would do
And a rich and immoral state can already fuck you up right now. So what's your point? The defense companies would gang up on you if you were a threat of expanding influence.
Mason James
politics trumps economics, power wise, because basically, that is what politics are about
Jeremiah Jones
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Jace Ross
>There is still law and a justice system.
It's just paid for rather than democratically instituted? Sounds wayy better m8
Ryder Walker
I will tell my fellow serpents a tip that is as good as insider trading. The seasteaders who want to make independent artificial islands. If they succeed in their prototypes, tons of independent islands will sprout up, mainly less represented types of government. Invest and take bets on the ancap ones that will outcompete everyone else, and invest in casinos off the coast of Japan while you're at it. Happy shekels.
Carter Bennett
Fascism, old boy.
You wouldn't be able to stop them without organized resistance to their manipulations.
Joshua Young
>Private militias?
Sure why not? You could still have restrictions like the current system does. Except training and equipment would be cheaper.
>It's just paid for rather than democratically instituted? Sounds wayy better m8
Yea it does. Look at Sweden. You think a judge that gives pedo rapists parole sentences would last long in a free market?
Camden Campbell
>It's just paid for rather than democratically instituted
are you assuming democratic institutions aren't paid for?
you gotta get over the free lunch mindset before you even talk about ancapism m8
this thread is basically conservatives arguing with a liberal
Ethan Carter
You think rich pedos would get sentenced under anarchocapitalism?
Anthony Taylor
Hoppe touches on this.
Outside of totalitarian dictatorships which are getting rarer and rarer these days, invasion requires public support.
What are the reasons for invasions based on? The actions of the government you are attacking, ie X government funded so and so group, X government has attacked your ally. Following this the governmental system is demonized. No one came to kill random people, they came to kill the national socialists and their central government.
The point I'm making is it's much harder to justify a war when you have no government to attack and you are instead attacking a random group of people who have done nothing but peacefully trade with you. Imagine if for the last 100 years american armed forces had never set foot on arab soil, I doubt ISIS would have near the propaganda.
But what about just invading to acquire land? While possible imagine if the united states decided to invade congo tomorrow for no reason of state sponsored terrorism, no dictator to dispose, no hostile action, they just wanted some land. The other world powers condemn the war as an expansionist conquest and shun the country invading.
Of course if someone did attack defense agencies could coordinate because after all they are defending a business, deals for foreign pmc's could be struck etc.