FUCK DOCTORS AND FUCK THE SICKCARE INDUSTRY

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that looks like a kike

Most doctors are in it for the money.

doctor here AMA

Is this refferring to drug reps or actual money? Maybe consulting? Give link faggot

How do we lower healthcare costs in general Sup Forums. The root of all problems is 5-6 figure medical bills

Two-thirds of Americans are currently in the care of a physician that is being paid by a drug company, and they may not even realize it. A study conducted by Genevieve Pham-Kanter, Ph.D., surveyed more than 3,500 adults and linked their doctors to data from Open Payments, a government website that reports pharmaceutical and device industry payments to physicians.

>be fit american
>go to doctors
>does blood work
"you are healthy come back in two years"

h-hi sempai

med student here

you're gonna make it

>Give link faggot

If this is about consulting and surveys it is literally nothing. Doctors have been paid for consulting on drugs since the 70's and is legal in 99% of countries as long as you declare it as income. If it is about PAYING DOCTORS TO USE THE DRUGS it is much more serious

we need to hire more women docs, they are better at their job and will cost less thanks to the gender pay gap.

you litterally are not affected by this, as long as your ensurance works with the company your doc is affiliated with.

thanks, this monday I'm gonna do some extractions, poor bastards.

I'm a neurologist, this is mostly bullshit. The doctors getting kickbacks are those that over-prescribe drugs that are not medically needed, like testosterone or hgh. They are usually Indians in "wellness" clinics, and the patients are mostly municipal workers whose insurance covers it, no questions asked.

candida
parasites
diet
thoughts?

There's a public website you can go to and view your doctor's money received from pharma shops. The two or three I reviewed took their payment in forms of informational lunches. It's all itemized. Very benign office lunches - for the docs I looked at. That's not to say some are more attached to pharma than others.

a lot of doctors will sell medicine based on the fact that the pharma companies give them money to do so regardless if its the best product

>You need someone like this to sort shit out.

>An analysis created by ProPublica in 2016, however, found that doctors who received money or even just a meal from drug and device makers prescribed a higher percentage of brand-name drugs overall than doctors who didn’t.

>be fit american
>go to doctors
>does blood work
"you are healthy come back in two years"
>gets shot
FTFY

Kek

I think where there might be larger concerns are junkets. Weekend stays at a resort here or there. 'Training' in a nice city that's really a mini vaca. Again, there are now disclosures that are searchable to the general public.

Eh, if he prescribes an expensive patented drug instead of a generic it can be thousands of dollars in increased costs. Some plans make you pay a percentage of drug costs.

Can't wait for my kickback :^)

>tfw lower class pre-med student

Not all of us are in it for the money, I'd be a doctor even if it paid $20K a year.

What year m8?

>Most doctors are Jews
>most big pharmaceutical heads are Jews
>Jews manipulate the system to siphon cash flow and kickbacks at the detriment of society.

Why does this surprise you?

IMO liability is one of the biggest reasons for expensive healthcare in America. Another factor of high liability is that everyone ends up seeing a doctor when they go to the hospital; you don't need a medical degree to tell someone they have a cold, but a hospital isn't going to take that chance. If doctors weren't in such high demand diagnosing the flu/indigestion/doing basic check-ups, medical costs would go down

there is not that much of a price gap between drugs of different companies, at least not here. (and we have pretty much the same pharmaceutical companies worldwide)

second year, should be in third year but I fucked up big time.

pretty much this, you put in too much of your life to it. If you don't enjoy being a doc, then not even making 600k/y will be enough.
Since you don't have time to use it lol

desu even though we won't start practicing until we're in our early 30s, this is still the fastest way to make big money for people from poorer backgrounds without rich daddies with connections.

Are you enjoying med school so far? I'm only in my second year of undergrad.

3rd year Master race. Done with surgery. Life is great.

OP is a fag, this is a total crock of shit.

No. Fuck you. I'm sick of this shit.

Every damn day I have to defend the virtue of doctors and researchers against libshits who attack them just so they can virtue signal.

Every fucking one of them will fabricate an image of heroism and victimhood out of the opportunistic, degenerate family of Henriette Lacks, and yet not one of them will give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who's actually tried to make the world a better place.

> not knowing this was happening
> not realizing they give medications they are paid to """"promote"""""

Any tips? I'm going to start preparing for the MCAT this summer, already have quite a few volunteer hours at the local hospital and my GPA is around 3.8.

>not realizing the Afghanistan war was actually a war over poppies for GSK.

There's still a couple pills for you to take.

2 whole dollars
fugg big pharma :DD

Aside from cutters, why do you exist? 99% of your functions can be replaced with a competent EMT, pharmacist, nurse, and google.

One reason why costs are so high is that most people don't even pay their damn bill. We could easily cut bills to a third and then still make more money if they actually did. Too bad for the people who actually pay. Multi-million dollar MRI machines and drug development trials don't pay for themselves.

>sempai
>not senpai

fuck off you shit

surgeons are just highly paid plumbers.
doctors will be replaced by high end analytical systems within my lifetime.

let them have their fun.

dat post
dem digits

Do some volunteer or club or even hobby that is not medically related. In your interview talk about your intentions with medicine or what you see as challenges for your cohort of physicians. Don't be a dick. Don't be an autist.

>I know nothing about medicine

pharma grifting is a human right or something

help me out euros I can't remember the exact phrasing you use

Pharmacists know more about it than you guys desu

I don't live near niggers though. Only poorfags have to deal with high crime areas. I live in the city with the highest rates of shootings in the country (or it was recently) and it's like one neighborhood on one side of the town filled with niggers. 80-85% white, like 3% unemployment, it's a nice city by all accounts. Just that one part. I imagine that's pretty common for all but the largest cities.

if your healthcare system was treated & funded like Japan's public education it would be covered by local house/sales taxes and accessible to everyone

instead it is a parasitic business that bleeds your nation dry

healthcare is not a business it should be handled and funded like military or (Japan's) public education

aka nationalized


meanwhile in Egypt...

The Egyptian government gave the military a license to establish a pharmaceuticals company. According to the prime mister’s decree, the National Authority for Military Production, which is affiliated to the Egyptian Armed Forces, will establish the Egyptian National Company for Pharmaceutical Products. The announcement came after President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called upon the military to play a bigger role in major infrastructure projects and in the distribution of subsidized goods. While this step could be seen as a solution to the shortage of a large number of drugs and the soaring prices of available ones, it also heats the already-existing debate on the army’s control of the Egyptian economy.


Egypt nationalizes pharma

Eh you could do well in like patent law or actuarial science

Thanks, man.

I wasn't born in the US and I'm bilingual (my name will also stand out in the list of applicants). Do you think that could help me?

I could talk about how I had to adjust to living here, learning English and other crap like that. I wish I could claim URM status, but I'm from Europe.

>patent law
You need to graduate from a top 13 school, but it's possible.

>actuarial science

Sounds like a government job, which you usually need great connections to get.

That's cute, pharmacists don't know shit compared to most first year medicine interns. I know this from rounding with 8 different pharmacists. They attach a common symptom to a drug without understanding the disease, just like nurse practitioners.

Maybe, if Eastern European, can talk about squalor you lived among, public health, etc. White is still white though, you know the odds.

I really hate doctors. I have a chronic condition and I self medicate. I haven't been to the doctor in two years, even though I'm supposed to have monthly check ups. They're driven by the free market forces, and you simply can't provide adequate care that way. I'm pretty healthy after some years of been really sick.

>They attach a common symptom to a drug without understanding the disease,
You're definitely thinking of doctors
soz

What condition? What medication?

you're just saying that because you haven't been to a private pharma party with fat piles of coke and thousand dollar hookers.

>Has never been admitted to a hospital
Unless you're talking about outpatient 10 min visits with your primary care physician, you're talking out of your ass. Even then, that's due to him wanting you out of the office faster, not lack of knowledge.

Don't you think the entire URM system is racist as fuck?

In school for 30% of your life. How is that okay?

>being a doctor is the fastest way to being rich
>forgets about the student loan ball and chain
>forgets about Med School loan ball and chain
>forgets about malpractice insurance
>forgets about being worked like a dog because of block clinic practices and hospitals packing schedules with more patients

yeah I mean have fun with it depending on the field you go into

but honestly the only field that pays big money at a young age is computer science, but you have to be good at it in order to move up in it

NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE CAN CHANGE HEALTHCARE

(((THEY ARE SLIDING IT)))

We go through the same eight years of schooling and many do a residency. WE are the missing link for health care.

70% of this shit is acute/preventable.

(((they))) don't like us because we are taught to treat the cause, not the symptom. Of course if you need pharmaceuticals, we will prescribe, but that is not #1 in our books.

insurance doesn't even cover us most of the time and on top of that the FDA/AMA do whatever they can to keep us out of the game.

I am more in favor of factoring in economic advantage/disadvantage... If you're the child of a black or Mexican physician, or just one wealthy colored parent for that matter, you're in. Meanwhile I know guys from trailer parks that have no accommodations beginning since elementary and still make it through college and to medical school.

Short answer, yes, I am against it.

>tfw have economics degree
>studying to be a doctor
>Just want to open an investment bank specialising in healthcare companies
>Can't do so unless I can get big money on board by showing them skills and experience

I hate my life.

Even our wikipedia page is fucked (and we cannot change it).

>Naturopathic
>Doctor

If you said osteopath, I wouldn't laugh. If you said holistic medicine fellowship, same deal. Wtf does naturopathy offer to diseases not based on lifestyle? How do you treat periorbital cellulitis? Crohn's?

>Back in 1999 I went into my doctor because I had a really bad cold. He told me it was because I was under a lot of stress at work and prescribed some blood pressure pills.
>I thought doctors knew what they were doing so I started taking them.
>In 1999 I weighed 190lbs with a 34 inch waist.
>Since I started taking the blood pressure pills I started to gain a lot of weight. I couldn't figure out why I was gaining all this weight so I went to see my doctor about it.
>The doctor said "you need to take this other pill as well as I can see you are having problems with your circulation."
>Within 5 years I was taking 8 different types of medication.
>I had gained over 130lbs in those 5 years.
>I went into hospital with what I thought was a heart attack.
>They said it was just my chest muscle and it was ok.
>Prescribed me even more medicine.
>gained even more weight
>fast forward to 2017.
>I now weigh over 400lbs.
>I have problems with my vision, sleep apnea and now a host of other problems.
>The solution? even more medicine.
>I look at my pictures from 1999 and wonder what happened to that guy?
>I don't know how to fix my problems now but I realize that I wish I never went to see my doctor way back in 1999. I would still be in shape like my brothers and dad.
>nobody in my family are fat except me.
>Never occurred to me why I was getting so fat till one day late last year a woman in one of the stores asked me what medicines I was taking.
>I asked her how did she know I was taking medicine.
>She said "I am a retired nurse. I can tell looking at you that you are on medicine from your weight."
>She then told me about doctors get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies and how she saw it herself many times.
>She said she really didn't know how to fix my problems because my body has been transformed by these meds and if I tried to get off them I would die.

FML

My advice to you guys is this. Unless you really REALLY need to see a doctor don't go.

Can someone guide me how can I get these kickbacks when I move to the US

Ha, had no idea so many medfags would be on pol. MCAT, grades, volunteering, essays, LORs, interviewing--find your weaknesses now and iron them out. You're going to have to sell yourself, getting in is like online dating--make your app sexy. If you interview at liberal schools be prepared to fib up some nonsense about the tyranny of food deserts and systemic racism--both huge memes at Cali med schools for instance. Cast a wide net--MD and DO. The only people who doubt DO's are premeds and the upper 1% of MDs at academic centers. GL.

>cutters
You mean the literal butchers

>She said she really didn't know how to fix my problems

I could probably do your medical history given the time. Yes, sounds like polypharmacy and physician error. Unless you are on steroids and have a Cushing syndrome from an acquired adrenal dysfunction, your weight gain probably is only minimally due to a medication.

You might just be fat.

periobital cellulitis - ABx man. 100% - then I provide support during/afterward for the ABx sides (decimation of GI flora)

Crohn's is very tricky, but manageable for the most part. Much has to do with patient compliance and stress reduction. It also depends on how serious / to what degree the Crohn's is in.

If they are having a serious flare, hospitalization, 100%. Immunosuppressants, antiinflammatories, etc.

If they are managing, that is where I come is. If they catch it early, that is where I come in. We provide the missing link and could lower over health care costs immensely.

SCD, periodic fasting, make sure they are getting enough EFA's and antioxidants, there are a shit load of herbals that can help ameliorate the inflammation and some supplements/aminos to help rebuild the enteric mucosa / wall for UC. Not to mention pretty common nutrient def. that can occur secondary to IBD and lead to further complications.

I'm still in school, but man I have a respect for both sides of medicine. We definitely deserve a place in the spotlight.

Just continue being immoral soulless Pajeet and the offers should roll in. Welcome btw

Medfag here, this is true, I prescribe random shit to healthy people all the time for the pharma gold

ABOLISH THE FDA

END THE MONOPOLIES OF BIG PHARMA AND HOSPITALS

charge $10 for all ambulatory ER visits. If you can walk, you HAVE to pay $10 or no one sees you. Then scrimp on neonatal care and end of life care. We should be putting our bucks where we get the most quality adjusted life years in return.

The real problem of humanity today:

The Pancreas Prevarication. Pancreas? You have likely heard of the mythical little thing that many claim resides inside of you. But you have not seen it. You have not touched it nor do you likely know anything about it. But you think it's there right?

Wrong.

It's a pure fabrication. A lie. Made by those at the top to ensure their diabolical plans for humanity can easily transition into being. One day a new resident of the human body will be discovered and this one will need pills or treatment. As we can gaze upon things smaller and smaller as time goes on it is not hard to believe this future. Your kids may need injections at school for something you did not know existed since it was discovered after your time in school.

Doctors are playing a long with it, the nutters they are. The medical field is ripe with a history of torture, human experimentation and more. This has not changed in our time. The delight in the grand misinformation campaign, playing with our minds and bodies as they LARP the idea of the pancreas with us while we shower the sadists with money.

So, ask yourself, have seen your Pancreas? Do you trust the elites? Do you trust doctors?

If not you are more sane than I started out. Take the Pancreas Pill now.

The Pancreas is a prevarication

>tfw I was supposed to be in my second year of medical school right now but I got set back hard because my parents didn't trust me with their info so I never got FAFSA shit and got kicked out from my uni

Feels bad desu. I'm probably just going to end it all if I can't get back into school by March 31st (deadline for most 2017 fall transfers).

I owe like $30k to my original university and I can't get any loans for it. I legit don't know what to do.

I went to a chiropractic nutritionist after modern medicine had written me off. He saved my life.

This. Do we deny coverage for people who can't pay though? With EMTALA we have to pay once their SHTF. The dollars would be way better spent on preventative care.

I was 27 years old when I first started taking the medicine back in 1999. I was an athlete in high school and college (baseball).

I eat the same food I always did. Same type of food my family eat. None of them are fat. I am the only one that was taking meds.

It could be a coincidence that I started to just balloon up at the same time I was prescribed meds...

Funny because the nhs gives doctors kickbacks for not treating people.

>naturopath
>Doctor
Lmao

>scrimp on neonatal care

are you a fucking idiot?

So I had the idea you avoided western medicine, but used as an adjunct, that is essentially what a holistic medicine fellowship is, provided some evidence backs the use of the advice.

Prevention, maintenance, and letting a condition self limit are not anathema of MDs, we always get this SJW image of being money grubbing Jews with no social skills that think patients are just their pathology, and we only know how to give the right pill without regard to patient need. That Disney shit needs to quit, primarily the only guys ignoring the patient whole needs are surgical subspecialty.

>prevarication
holy crap that's retarded. I held a pancreas in my hand the other day. Have you ever even been in an anatomy lab?

Pharmaceuticals are powerful and come with unfortunate side effects. Not every patient wants to deal with that shit. Sure, lifestyle is HUGE, but someone has to approach that angle.

We can get people before they get sick. Not just sick, but REALLY sick. We can get them when they are young and not only help with minor acute issues, but we can teach them how to fucking take care of themselves, because nobody else will. The food industry, pharma, gov't, etc. All out to capitalize on that beautiful dopamine reward. It is a fucked up industry that (((they))) run. Sick patients are the best patients...

turn yourself into the police already!

End long term hemodialysis. Your kidney is failing, it's futility to wait on certain death. Sorry.

Well we should get euthanasia legalized ASAP kill all those geezers on life support

...

How much free time do you have?

the biggest costs in US healthcare today come from preventable ailments. increasing prevention is the best way to lower healthcare costs.

for starters, we need to stop trump's plan to scale back vaccinations. the fact that polio is coming back after 50 years is proof that these vaccine truther retards (people like trump) are causing real damage. damage that is very costly to treat. reducing other preventable ailments like obesity and STDs would also go a long way in lowering healthcare costs.

Found out my pain management doctor is a huge pharma shill a few months ago. He usually tries to prescribe name-brand stuff whenever we try a new drug, but he doesn't put up a fight if I ask for the generics (which I always do), so it's not a huge issue. But it was never disclosed to me verbally in the four years I've seen him, and the pain management center just put up posters disclosing that info this year.

The article I read said he was getting an easy six figures a year. Must be nice, right?

as a current med student, The amount of knowledge, expertise, and technical skill required of doctors is insane and with liabilities soaring through the sky. People only think about the people that get fucked by doctors but not the millions helped. I am in it for the money though not gonna lie. Most patients I see are self-absorbed know it alls that believe they know everything from one page on the internet. I am also too autistic to make any sort of connection and just want to make the diagnosis.

It's called a process patent neat stuff

Do hemepath or dermpath. Good hours and pay, no patients, all diagnostic.

fuck, sorry i'm sloppy right now with my thoughts; anyway, there is much to be said about preventative med / a more gentle approach. We get a taste everything, but if we truly enjoy something, we get further education on that modality.

We learn all of the basic a&p, biochem, microbio, pathology, psych, pharm, multiple nutritions, etc. plus physical manipulation, acupuncture/oriental, eastern+western botanicals, bit of hydrotherapy, and (i'm very mixed on this one: homeopathy).

Of those, I would say we need CEE with physical med, acupuncture, and pharm. (at least I would advocate that)

Did you hold a pancreas, or something (((they))) told you was a pancreas?

what happened, if you do not mind me asking?

Most pain doctors are shills DESU. Many are fee for service cash clinics too. Nurse practitioners love to do this shit. Try a certified pain fellow, usually anesthesia trains them.

i got parasites or some fungal issue or something that is causing me to digest things poorly if at all.

I like to try and do things the natural way. eat better and exercise, and avoid prescription drugs but i think i need some for my problem.
I saw a few doctors and they couldnt find anything wrong with me. I did one parasite test, once, and begged my doctor for an antibiotic/anti fungal/anti parasite all in 1 drug to see if it would help me. It helped immensely i felt like an entirely new person. But i only stayed that healthy for about 2 months after the treatment then things started sliding downhill again. So i told my doctor and he gave me a prescription for a new antibiotic because the one that worked was expensive as fuck but the new one didnt help. I looked it up online and the first drug he gave me required a minume amount of days to be on it and the prescription he gave me was 3-4 days short of that. also the recommended tests for parasites should be done about 3 times at different intervals but i only ever got 1 test 1 time.

So I want to try that old drug again because i think i may have parasites, or fungal problems. I found a doctor here in canada who prescribes drugs all willy nilly because the more patients you see the more money you make so make every patient a 5 minute appointment and just give them what they want right?

Anyways how do you test for parasites?
Have you ever given an anti fungal medicine to someone for something internal? seems very weird and unusual but someone else told me thats what helped them when they had the same problem as me.

I love how Trump's healthcare bill is going to give doctors who do this tax breaks :^)