What's wrong with unions exactly?

They seem pretty bro tier, helping out the working man. Why is Trump against them?

>gib more monneis

Same thing thats wrong with communism. It looks good on paper but doesnt work in practice. Trouble with unions is they eventually become corrupt and start only working for the union rather than the workers that they exist for. Pensions are starting to dry up because of misappropriated funds spent pushing political agendas.

Trump isn't against unions.

Norfag here

In Europe, unions everywhere aren't just "helping out the working man", they are basically actively pushing for far-left policies in every area of life. It would not be surprising at all to have a union requesting less """stigmatizing""" news coverage of Afghani immigrants. The people who rise in the ranks are always the insectile radical.

In the US not all unions seem like that - the border agent's union have endorsed Trump quite strongly. I've seen no indication that Trump is against them.

The question pro-union people should ask is: can we ensure that unions are just pro-workers in this specific field, instead of globalist-socialist political slush funds and agitation committees? I think the answer is no, so I'm against unions generally. Trump would also probably think the answer is no.

Only a kike would be against paying their workers what they deserve making.

I am in seiu1199 and they're democrat fags. Before election they robocalled begging us to vote for Hillary. The day after election they robocalled talking about the right wing takeover of the white house.

Fuck these cocksuckers. They send me their lib newsletters and they go right into the garbage. Niggers.

> you have no legal right to do this job unless you join this union and pay a part of every paycheck you get to the union; also you can't work if we tell you not to

> hey man why are you upset we're just helping the working man

Fuck off.

unionfag here (not by choice)

because seniority is everything in unions
it doesn't matter how good or bad you are at your job, if you've been in long enough, you're untouchable unless you fuck up very badly.

it pisses me off because i'm the best at what I do in my department but i'm not allowed to get paid more per hour than my more senior colleagues who are lazy slobs. Hopefully I'll find another job soon.

absolutely nothing. don't listen to anyone telling you otherwise.
The American Worker is All. fuck the capitalist banker jew class legally exporting jobs to 3rd world countries to be done for pennies destroying our economy and the worker. Unions were one of the last bastions against this and now that the jew has destroyed them we are paying the price.

If the unions were against exporting jobs to 3rd world countries, they would presumably have been backing Trump and opposing Hillary.

>Hostess Union rather the company die than negotiate
>UAW gave billions to politicians who sent all their union jobs to mexico/canada

They became the mob but the shitty kind who didn't do shit to help those who paid for protection

>Al Capone donated millions to help the community during the depression
>Yakuza where the first responders to provide aid, shelter and food during the tsunami

Private sector unions are fine. But when they move into the public sector they start using their political muscle to push politicians who will give them more shit. Everything's fine until one day 80% of your state budget expenses are labor related and then you can barely afford to keep the lights on. Then people start leaving, then people get poorer and then you realize the state goverment is helpless to do anything because they are locked into 20 different contracts that prevent them from making meaningful change.

When a union goes too far in the private sector the factory shuts down. When the union goes too far in the public sector it just keeps getting worse until the people suffer.

> what they deserve

What anyone "deserves" to make is decided by everyone voting together with their wallets. That's democracy, which union supporters claim to love so much before they use the power of the state to force workers to join and pay them.

Unions get their workers paid far higher than their labor is actually worth by using strongarm tactics. They destroy incentive to do good work and to better yourself at the same time.

I'm not a coalminer faced with working the only available, dangerous job available or living like a savage in a homemade shank in the woods feeding my family with squirrel meat. I have a multitude of options if I don't like the job I have, options that don't involve blackmailing employers into giving me privatized handouts. Fuck unions.

In the US almost every major union has been basically run by the mafia for decades. Unions were fine when they were actually just collections of workers with no political power but now they're in bed with the government and exist almost entirely for the purposes of getting votes and funnelling money to crooks.

That's because the AFL-CIO and SEIU are no different than Wall Street.

The Union bosses are just as corrupt.

jobs were shipped overseas because of unions and their grossly overvalued pay for mediocre performance at menial jobs

Union reps getting paid to go to "meetings" half the week and forcing the rest of the department to fill in for them.

this is 10,000% true

Unions are not bad. As long as they are not underwritten by government immigration policy. Or over written by government required membership in their ranks

>jobs were shipped overseas because of unions and their grossly overvalued pay for mediocre performance at menial jobs

brought to you by companies that don't want to pay for pensions

They were vital and necessary for workers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when unsafe working conditions and poor wages were a thing. But them something changed. The government started doing what unions purport to do for their workers by ensuring their safety along with wages and health. Today unions simply distort the market and turn a $12 job into a $30 an hour job and that cost is passed on to the consumer.

the problem is they push lefty bullshit. i know because i'm part of one.

Yep. People in Detroit working factory lines were making $70 per hour if you factor in benefits.

Economically, they are bad. If successful, they artificially raise the cost of labor, which results in lower employment rates in that industry, and higher consumer good prices.

They're the labor equivalent of cartels. However, they're not morally "bad" until they abandon their voluntary interactions with employers and start pushing for legislation to give them legal power over private business (eg. laws prohibiting the dismissal of striking employees). Or until they infect the public sector.

>t. never worked in a union shop
If you had you wouldn't have to ask.

>helping out the working man
the lower class are the niggers of the classes