CAPITALISM AND CULTURAL DEGRADATION

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On this board we consistently talk about the issue of degeneracy and moral depletion in Western countries, how much of that do you think is contributed to by capitalism itself
>capitalism prioritizes choice and efficiency over all other economic "values". I posit that when those ideas bleed into social culture it breeds hedonism and individualized moral values
>sexuality becomes just a choice
>gender identity becomes just a choice
>dating is too much work and therefore hooking up is more efficient
>religion is too constraining to personal choices and therefore we secularize
>feminism is purely about female power within the business or "economic" sphere

etc. etc.

I know the National Socialists talked about this for years but in light of capitalism being objectively the best economic system for raising large numbers of people out of poverty, how do you combine the merits of capitalism with defined social and moral values?

I tend to agree that capitalism has led to these outcomes. I was a libercuckian in the past but I realized it's impossible to have free markets with social liberalism as it just races society to the bottom. Socially conservative policies with generally free markets could work.

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>government forcefully redistributes income to subsidize every degeneracy under the sun and actively import millions of undesirables

>omg capitalism causes degeneracy

Commie here. No shit OP, you just figured this out? I've been saying for years that capitalism and family values are incompatible in their essence. The commercialization of morality is an aspect of alienation under capitalist production.

Sure the government may subsidize some of this but at the end of the day people still make moral decisions about whether to consume it or not.

Even (((media))) pushing this is ultimately for shekels

the issue with capitalism is the inherent belief in individual and economic freedom, naturally leading to libertarian tier thinking.

This is a problem because the government/people must always have a level of authority over corporations/business's in which to prevent them from hiring foreigners or moving industry outside the nation.
It must never be a right for an employer to hire foreigners or ship jobs elsewhere for personal gain at the cost of the collective well being.

Yes comrade but objectively socialism always fails in an economic sense so going that direction isn't going to help either; could arguably be worse. Communism also opens up moral questions concerning hierarchy and equality which has it's own host of other issues.

Right, it in no way has anything to do with frankfurt commies realizing capitalism is the superior economic ideolgy and shifting thier sights on subverting americana

I think the key is to recognize the role of public governments in facilitating and subsidizing degeneracy. Consider the case here in Canada- with a publicly funded health care system, the cost of all the negative outcomes of a homosexual lifestyle (higher incidences of drug use, prolapse, HIV-AIDs, alcoholism, anxiety, depression etc.) are passed onto the taxpayer. Consider how different the situation would be if your healthcare insurance provider slapped you with massive monthly premiums for engaging in behavior that would make you less likely to survive and thrive.

I don't know about the free market and pedos, but there is a substantial amount of degeneracy which is underwritten by the taxpayer.

That's nonsense just because healthcare isn't subsidized isn't going to stop people from being gay. A more proper solution would be that of national socialist Germany where healthcare was nationalized but being gay was simply made illegal.

>objectively
Socialism, even in the bastardized form that existed in the Soviet Union, lasted nearly 80 years — much longer than fascism — before falling only under the weight of a concerted campaign of sabotage and subversion by the United States and its clients.

Communism never fails internally, but has always been crushed from without. Compare Germany, where the military brass nearly assassinated Hitler, or Italy, which fell apart practically as soon as the Allied boats hit the shore, and ended with Mussolini strung up from a gas station sign.

While true capitalism may have some bad moral impacts, have you considered that degeneracy may just be the natural human condition?

In everything you stated, there is individual choice. Ultimately, capitalism is about the individual having choice in the matter. To be religious or not, to be normal or trans, to raise a family or not. The goal in thinking with capitalism is "Society is a means to an end, not an end in itself."

If you want to have less "degenerate" values in your society, then insentient it. Create an atmosphere that nurtures what you want to see happen, while suppressing things you don't. People will either change, be miserable, or move. Either way You win.

No one takes communism seriously and that's why the capitalist west allied with communists in ww2 because they knew they weren't a real threat and would dissolve on their own in time meanwhile National Socialism and Fascism would not fall on their own and would require the world to destroy before they became unstoppable.

Fascist regimes in Spain, Portugal, and Greece had all broken down by the 1970s. The dictatorships in South America and the Boer fascism in South Africa lasted a little longer, but promptly caved in as soon as the end of the Cold War meant the US was no longer interested in spending vast sums of money propping them up.

But that's stupid user. What are you going to do, stalk everyone and make sure that they aren't touching their friend's dick behind closed doors? Going to prevent any two men being alone in the same room? You could try, but you'll destroy any semblance of liberty, or privacy. Now, if we were talking about a Hoppean society, then you could make being not-gay a clause in the contractual agreement prerequisite to joining your particular covent, at which point I say have at it.

In the current system, it's better to just let people reap the cost of their own degeneracy, and things like publicly funded healthcare prevent this from happening.

Even if being heterosexual were a term in a contract, good luck enforcing it. Those EULAs sure tell me what to do.

By that logic all one would need to do is bar publicly funded healthcare from degenerates.
But by that point we might as well just be dealing with them properly, quickly.

The nation must be run as organized and efficient as a military and just as a soldier on the front does not pay for their healthcare neither does the mother or worker at home.

I really don't see how homosexuals get in the way of anything. Even the militaries in WWII found that there is a very effective solution to soldiers sticking their dicks in even the most disease-infested sluts: the condom.

These racially weak/compromised states do not represent anything beyond a reactionary measure they took to defend their religion in an age where the jews tried to take it from them.
When these fears are eased as democracy poses no threat to their religion then they naturally no longer have the will to resist democracy/liberalism.

But what democracy/liberalism does pose a threat to is race. This is why it is unique for the Germanic tribes to be able to own this will to resist as they when subjected to the idea that their racial existence is threatened they will fight.

This is why it is of utmost importance to get it into the minds of every " white " person that their extinction at the hands of globalism is inevitable. The least racially compromised of those will then begin to take a stand slowly until it manifests into the national socialist revolution 2.0

It is something to " give " the religious of our society. Something to earn their radicalism and deep support.
Just as well being gay has no purpose in life. To have sex as a heterosexual should be reserved to the act of procreation- no sex before marriage- as such being gay cannot procreate and having sex for them is only to have sex. No greater purpose. Just individual perversion.

Being socially responsible while placing capital above all else is incompatible unless you believe humans are capital and you put them above all else.