Can somebody explain why healthcare exists in the first place?

Can somebody explain why healthcare exists in the first place?
Why not just have privatized health insurance?

Because then what are you going to do about the literally millions of people who can't afford it? Or the fact that it has been getting more expensive for decades, and the percent of the population who can't afford it goes up every year?

If you say "nothing" then congrats, you just lost the election to someone who offered them free healthcare.

Health insurance should be treated as a luxury, not a necessity. For those who can't afford it, they have to work up to being able to afford it.

Congrats, you just lost the election. Your tax bill to pay for other people's healthcare will come in the mail.

exactly! Why should I pay for somebody else's health insurance if I have a fairly safe life, but they're the poor sucker who lives on edge and gets in a car crash? Not my fault.

Doesn't matter, there are more of them than there are of you.

If you can't come up with a solution, they will just take it from you.

This is the way the world has worked since forever, once you have too many people who can't afford basic necessities, and the rich refuse to provide an alternative, they kill the rich and start over.

Why not get rid of those welfare Queen aircraft carriers you guys have(13 of them BTW) and spare some cash for the sick&poor?
Isn't the state supposed to take care of its citizens?

People want free shit.

And this, boys and girls, is why only those who pay into taxes should get a vote.

was angery. but then read your last bit der. U are correct. this is the only reason.

So how do you stop people from blowing up hospitals or just going in armed and shooting the shit out of people when it refuses to treat a dying patient? You think they're all going to go "ah well, too bad, I guess I should have saved more money!"

No. As much as I agree with your sentiment that it's a service and not a luxury, it is not feasible or realistic for it to be operated that way.

I agree, people like Trump shouldn't get a vote when there are 10 million people who have jobs, but still need food stamps to survive.

This might shock you, but most people are willing to pay slightly more taxes to not see their fellow men die in the streets.

National security is more important than a few faggots who can't take care of themselves.
If you aren't healthy it's your own damn fault.

People want free stuff, and politicians use it to create a codependent relationship: the politicians are dependent on the people being dependent on them.

A negative side-effect of democracy.

Why should anyone be FORCED BY LAW to buy health insurance?

>the solution to the problem is more gibs, goy
If you cant afford to eat while working full time youve either made terrible decisions, need to cut some luxaries, or need to move out of your overpopulated shithole.

This is what most faggots say until they are broke and lose a few fingers
Oh well,rather dump millions of dollars into guns & bombs than help the sick! Right?

There's literally no other way to pay for it if you want to do things like allow people with pre-existing conditions. Even Paul Ryan and Donald Trump know this and put a 30% tax into their healthcare bill if your coverage lapses.

The only other option is to have universal healthcare.

Lol, I can get health care and then not pay the bills. It's literally nothing. You just get harasses forever.

And this is why people who say they will cut benefits lose every election to people who say they will leave them alone or expand them.

Trump promised to increase gibs too, you know.

Everyone should just die by 35 the old fashioned way.

THIS SEEMS REASONABLE

The states job is to
>establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,

Not to provide health insurance.

I have a rare auto-immune disease that literally cripples me. I did not contract this disease, it is genetic although nobody in my family has it, the chance of getting it is so low. It's simply bad luck.
There is no cure for this condition, however thanks to special medication (self-administered injections), I am able to work a full-time job in IT.

I pay about €400 a month in income taxes.
The medication and treatment costs about €1000 a month.

What does Sup Forums think about this?

THE POINT IS TRUMP IS GIBBING THINGS TO WINNERS NOT LOSERS

LOSER=NOTROPHY

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Are you one of those "Keep your government hands off my medicare" people?

Pretty sure you could fit healthcare under "domestic tranquility".
Seeing poor people die around you would be pretty unsettling.

Stay in your socialist utopia.

Give a man a fish, teach them to fish, yadda yadda.

Government gibs are bandaids at best.

t.disability fag

Here in europe we think of healthcare as a universal human right.
That sounds abstract, so think about it like this:

Even if you only earn 2k per month, I personaly wont let you die of a fucking random disease like cancer.

You may have had bad luck in life, born poor and stupid, with no chances to ever become successful, but you may be a good person. You may have children that you love, and that you treat well. People will cry for you, even if you never managed to have a decent income.
When you get cancer, and the treatment is easily possible but costs hundrets of thousands, it is just not fair to you or your children to just let you die because you never earned much money.

In economic terms, and republican USA perspective, I know there is on such thing as fairness. If you dont have enough money for the treatment, you deserve to die, because obviously you are not worth the treatment, in monetary terms.

But from a human perspective, the european perspective, we wont let people die just because they have not enough money.

We know some people dont deserve our universal healthcare, but if we would shut it off, many people who deserve it wouldnt get it anymore. So we let the undeserving have it, just so we can save those who deserve it.

Degenerate druggie

It's nature's way of telling you that you're weak and should die.

DO NOTHING? GET NOTHING

>privatized health insurance?

That IS healthcare.

U.S. runs on a privatized health insurance system.

This is the biggest issue with American healthcare system.

Memers don't understand that healthcare is just one person for another, be it private or public. If you don't have people paying into it then you won't have an efficient system. Too many people not paying, and your premiums will skyrocket so even those who could afford it before won't be able to afterwards.

The true redpill on healthcare is universal private health insurance system where everybody must pay into a personal private insurance company which competes with others thus lowering the costs.

None of that "muh poor people" libertarian nigger meme arguments that's based on feels.

Just because theres a lot of poor and stupid people who want something, that doesnt mean its a good idea. Hence why they shouldnt get a vote. If you want to be part of the decision making progress you should have to contribute more than you take.

Its seems weird to me how Americans go about healthcare,land of the i-dont-give-a-fuck-about-you,seems kikeish
But who cares anyways, knock yourself out


>promote general welfare
Curing the sick doesn't apply here,right? Probably not,that's un-american!

Thats what a society is for.

The strong help the weak. Anything else wouldnt be worth living in.

2 thirds of the debt in america is non decretionary from welfare, social secruity, and medicare. Military spending an eighth of total spending. Puts our debt problem in prespective.

Naw I'll just go to the emergency room and never pay.

GET SHOT FOR TRESPASS NIGGER

>establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,

>justice

Subjective, many people define this as including health coverage.

>domestic tranquility

There's been a huge raging debate over health coverage.

>common defense

What happens if germ warfare happens? Do we just let our infected population die?

>general welfare

Health is a pretty general thing desu. Pretty self explanatory.

>blessings of liberty and posterity

>Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Eat ass you lolbertarian faggot.

>human perspective

No. Only from a (((modern))) perspective have we decided that health is a responsibility of the state.

Too bad the world doesn't work like it does in your basement.

I'm not going to help idiots and people who cannot be helped.
You help people help themselves. If they can't then that's really their own problem.
Your way of thinking is exactly why you're all so weak. The weak die. It's good for the human race for the weak to die.

>Or the fact that it has been getting more expensive for decades
I do something about this, not healthcare. Healthcare is ironically a bandage for a deeper and larger problem.

Yes, nature, the whole universe, tells him that.

And we, as humans, WONT HAVE THAT. We fucking help the weak. We are not like nature, that crazy bitch. We fucking help one another, we help and protect the weak. If that means rebellion against nature and against the whole universe and a god if there is one, then be it.

The universe and nature are fucked up, and I am not here to blindly obey them. We help one another.

Its weird that the founding fathers never considered healthcare to fall under any of those things. Really makes me think.

Sup Forums has a strict 18+ rule to prevent edgelords like you.

no "free" healthcare for everyone would help to get rid of all the fats and stupid useless genes that are around. But who would then vote for the politicians?

>ITT:
>"The weak are food for the strong"
>vs
>"The strong protect the weak"

Which side are you on?

Woah ! easy there ! don't post spooky bones pictures without a warning please, I done a fright !

Wrong. You should want to help them. You should not want the government to force you or anyone else to help them.

I'm 26 faggot.
>The weak are food for the strong
Never said that shithead. I'm for looking out for yourself. Socialized healthcare is forcing people to protect the weak, which is wrong.

Youre not helping anyone, hans. Youre voting for the government to take money from other people and inefficiently spend it on those who contribute nothing.

Because you can't run a successful capitalist society is most of the society is dead, dying, or too sick to sustain themselves. How would a country the size of america sustain itself without a majority of its populace dead, dying, or too sick to sustain themselves?

the world is brainwashed with marxist bullshit

You're a mighty fine retard for a 26 year old.

So does yours.

I help you help yourself. I will not do things for you that you can clearly do yourself unless I owe it to you. I'll still be nice and perform random acts of kindness but that's for anyone and random.

LET THEM DIE

>be american
>go to life insurance
>I had leukemia when I was 12
>it seems I don't fit in the criterion of the insurance company


Nothing wrong with it, right americans?


>BUT MUH FREE MARKET


I love free market, but there is a thing in europe called "Ordoliberalism" and "social market economy" who solves stuff like this.

Get fuck yourself

What? Do you think I'm injecting the marihuanas or what?

The injections simply neutralize part of my immune system, the injection itself stings and gives me no good feeling whatsoever (apart from reducing my symptoms ofcourse).

Sorry, but I believe the strong should at least try to help the weak,that's called having sympathy and civilization

>I'm not gonna help anybody
No surprise here,you faggots couldn't help anybody even if you tried
>imagine how many American lives could have been improved or saved if Obama invested those millions into public health and not handing it to Israel, Saudi Arabia,Palestine, China,etc,or wasting billions in the middle east
Really made me think

I know, and i recognize it as a problem instead of pretending its a good way to handle the situation.

No one is asking for you to help those that won't help themselves.

>If they can't then that's really their own problem.

That's where you are wrong. It's autistic 18 y/o thought that this that is regressive for the West.

If the government didn't force you to pay gibs for niggers and spics that don't need it and can earn it on their own then you should want to give to those, even if they can't earn it, as long as they truly need it.

well, take this the right way old chap.

- You should have been terminated before birth
- But seeming as you are here you should get "free" healthcare. You are also an asset in understanding the human body etc.
- UNunique people should NOT get "free" healthcare.

But the biggest problem is the consumerist society. All this "productive" consumerist activity and consumer "choice" isn't helpful, it lacks focus on needs. More people should be employed helping people like you out and you and they should be payed better to freely decide how to tailor the solution.

What i'm saying is if you work for an IT company that helps sell StarWars figurines you are a waste of space and should kys.

Healthcare costs weren't an issue back then.

>imagine how many American lives could have been improved or saved if Obama invested those millions into public health and not handing it to Israel, Saudi Arabia,Palestine, China,etc,or wasting billions in the middle east
If you weren't a newfag you'd know why that money goes where it goes.
They use it to make more black money.
I don't want any stupid collective handout schemes period.
What makes you think I support welfare?
I'm broke and still refuse to use it. You're not talking to some richfag here. I'm well aware of the realities of being poor.

I know why they send it there
Just pointing out how fucking ridiculous the us government is,even to its own

When the government stops giving money to worthless spics and niggers then we can talk about giving it to worthy recipients

We'd be better off trying to make sure as few people as possible are broke rather than subsidizing bad business and low wages.

So its the governments job to pay for something just because you cant afford it?

To these niggers, it's the governments job to wipe their asses so they don't get diaper rash

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You want to debate, right?

Terminally ill mom, 33, was refused access to chemotherapy but told she could get suicide drugs for just $1.20 - despite wanting to prolong her life

>Stephanie Packer diagnosed with chronic autoimmune disease in 2012

>The 33-year-old's insurance firm initially refused to pay for chemotherapy

>But suicide drugs were made available with a co-pay of just $1.20

>The Californian won battle after warning firm she would tell her story

>She is leading 'right to live' campaign in opposition to euthanasia activists

lolbertarians will defend this

It's only as expensive as it is thanks to government regulations. Look at how cheap healthcare was in the past

>inb4 muh technology

Yes even the highest tech healthcare was more affordable in the 50s

Sometimes you can only get rid of the symptoms and not the actual sickness

>If you want to be part of the decision making progress you should have to contribute more than you take.

So you shouldn't be able to vote then?

And then you die.
You repaired nothing and allowed the sickness to spread.

YOU ARE WEAK

ACCEPT DEATH

>can't fix sickness
>at least I can die without suffering as much

>implying

Struggle to live until death.
I don't want to live in an illusion.
I may smoke pot but I'm no escapist.

>implying

>I may smoke pot but I'm no escapist.

American posters are the cancer that's killing Sup Forums two bee quiet hornets.

>belgium
Go fuck yourself faggot. I have nothing to speak about with you.

>I don't want
>I
There's the problem
Its easy to say that now, until you get a painful sickness with no cure
Let the poor bastard have some morphine

>pot
Nice

>when you're a dumb pot-smoking loser and so insecure about it that you have to resort to ad hominems immediately instead of refuting the point

Kek'd

I bet you weigh over 300 lbs, too.

This is America and heroin is cheaper. If you're already terminally ill legality means very little. If you don't have the money for health care you probably already know a few drug dealers.

150lbs actually at 6ft2in.

The same reason you're forced to buy literally every other thing the government buys with your tax money.

More specifically, having this communal arrangement allows us to do things like treat people who arrive at a hospital unconscious, without waiting for them to show that they can pay.

Good/bad for them I guess
Also,
Coke>heroin

Not for pain it isn't.
If you're terminally ill you're going to want to fell like you're in a womb.

Because in America anything that helps black people or any minorities is attacked like crazy by the reactionaries. Its been that way for decades now.

>recently had my first seizure
>was behind the wheel
>totaled my new Mercedes
>I was banged up but I was fine
>wanted to go home
>they wouldn't let me and said if I checked out my insurance wouldn't cover the initial emergency room visit
>spent 3 days on bed rest in a fucking brace
>multiple cat scans, 3 separate MRI's,bloodworm
>told that I have a hairline fractures on my spine but since they werent causing me pain they weren't going to do anything


Total cost of care for three days was over $40,000.00

Thanks to my private health insurance my out of pocket expense was $ 700.00

It makes me wonder if they would have done all of those unnecessary tests had I not had insurance.

Thankfully I'm not terminated
>not doing DMT before death
Kek,pleb

It's also why having a huge ass prison system so fine but people will cry big government if you have something that helps homeless people.

lol, what's even the point? To dilute your own natural source?

>what's the point
None, your a dead man anyways, just cram all the drugs you can and
Go out in a BANG!

NIGGERS DIE

WHITES THRIVE