Should Nuclear Energy Deniers Be Punished?

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To be fair, there are plenty of nuclear plants ran solely to maintain our nuclear arsenal. It's why thorium never took off.

no but they should be mocked forever

Punishing people for having a different opinion is the opposite of freedom. They should instead be educated as to what nuclear plants actually do and why they're safe.

Punishment not necessary. Jill Stein and those who think like her remains and will forever remain irrelevant to the 99.9999%.

absolutely
let them pay for everyone's (((green))) energy

They should be nuked.

This babbling cunt should be shot or locked up , causing mass hysteria over a the best alternative for energy is the most irresponsible course of action. What a literal piece of degenerate shit

Liberals should be gassed. The end.

Look, I'm as pro-Trump and pro-Nuclear as they come, but she's right to a certain degree. They don't "explode" like weapons, but when they malfunction the damage is much longer lived due to increased half-life of radioactive material. Compare radioactivity of Chernobyl to Hiroshima.

>shoot nuke
>it blows up
omg this is dangerous!! nuclear energy == bad!

dunno about the security of American nuclear plants but the moment they shut them down you most likely end up relying on neighboring countries (with a much lower security standard) selling you something for a ridicules price (because you depend on it) you previously made yourself
its literally whats been happening here in Germany since 2011

i am not against renewable energy either but destroying decades of research/development/optimization over night for some hippies wet dreams is bullshit

oy vey shut it all dow- e-eeeh? israel shutting theirs down? i dont think so, they need it.. for safety reasons...

>Chernobyl
Built by communists. Of course it exploded.
Not a single plant built by Westerners has had a meltdown.

Chernobyl happened because of retarded design.

>shut them down
>elements get too hot due to lack of cooling
>elements go critical
>nuclear plant is destroyed

Is crazy plant lady actually a terrorist? She also called trains carrying fuel something like fuel bomb death trains multiple times.

DUDE I LIKE TOTALLY FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE AND SHIT

and human incompetence

Never Trust The Nuclear Devil. Coal and Oil have served us well and there is no risk of us running out of either of those.

Nobody ever got cancer from coal.

>They don't "explode" like weapons, but when they malfunction the damage is much longer lived due to increased half-life of radioactive material. Compare radioactivity of Chernobyl to Hiroshima.
see, this is what idiots actually believe

United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation on Chernobyl:
>“Among the residents of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine, there had been up to the year 2005 more than 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer reported in children and adolescents who were exposed at the time of the accident, and more cases can be expected during the next decades. Notwithstanding the influence of enhanced screening regimes, many of those cancers were most likely caused by radiation exposures shortly after the accident. Apart from this increase, there is no evidence of a major public health impact attributable to radiation exposure two decades after the accident.”

>Apart from this increase, there is no evidence of a major public health impact attributable to radiation exposure two decades after the accident
>Apart from this increase, there is no evidence of a major public health impact attributable to radiation exposure two decades after the accident

Why is thyroid cancer the ONLY measurable harmful effect of nuclear fallout? The reason is Iodine-131. It has a half life of 8 days. Thus it is strongly radioactive. Since the human body stores iodine in the thyroid gland it can cause cancer there, which is why the government gives us iodine pills against nuclear accidents or attacks. After 80 days the amount of radioactive iodine is only 1/1000 so after a few weeks iodine is not harmful anymore.

The other radioactive materials have such a long half life that they are not radioactive enough to cause damage to a human.

Sooo let's check this out.

>no risk of running out of a finite resource

Are you retarded or...?

You don't seem to realize that the terms of engagement have changed in the political arena. Whether or not we take a morally superior pro-free speech stance, the Left will continue to violently suppress anything they disagree with. It's time to start hitting back hard.

>and human incompetence
>implying Soviets were human

No, but it'd be nice if Hollywood and such stopped depicting Nuclear Plants as ticking time bombs when they're quite safe.

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Thyroid cancer in general has greatly increased. Why is that? Because we discover it much more often nowadays. You know, thyroid cancer has extremely low mortality and most people who had it in the past never even noticed. Only nowadays with better diagnostics the rates have increased.

Why do I mention that? Because of pic related.

>Thyroid cancer incidence in children and adolescents from Belarus after the Chernobyl accident
>Yellow: Adults (19–34)
>Blue: Adolescents (15–18)
>Red: Children (0–14)

Notice something here? Thyroid cancer onlly increases decades AFTER all the radioactive iodine has already disappeared. Thus I claim that the UNSCEAR got it wrong and Chernobyl did not even cause thyroid cancer except for that tiny initial bump.


CONCLUSION:
In Chernobyl not a single radiation related death has been recorded after the accident itself, which killed several of the incompetent reactor operators who caused the accident and were exposed to a sudden extreme burst of radiation.

In Fukushima NOT A SINGLE PERSON died from radiation, even during the accident. However, the evacuation has led to many deaths due to suicide, so the evacuation was infinitely more lethal than the reactor.

People are illiterate about radiation, that is why they fear it without any logical reason or scientific evidence. Reactors even during huge man-caused accidents are absolutely harmless to human population. Nuclear fallout is an unproven meme popularized my retarded socialists and tree huggers.

This is true. /Pol apparently doesn't know about Handgord WA

*Handford

>To be fair, there are plenty of nuclear plants ran solely to maintain our nuclear arsenal.
How many is plenty? Isn't it like 3 reactors of which 2 are more or less pocket research reactors?

ecpecically with new age generation IV reacotors which maintain passive safety features. Such features can function with the laws of gravity and phyiscs , entirely without human aide or any form of power assistance.

Nuclear power is , within regulations or NRC, is without doubt the safest form of energy conversion and greenest.
>tldr Jill stein is a fucking retard

Yes. People who are denying the best source of energy ever devised by man are standing in the way of the future.

Good Christ, what a moron.

Liberal education at its finest. Great points, and nice argument with a fundamental flaw. That's why there was an uninhabitable zone in Chernobyl for decades. To prevent mortality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone

Nigger.

A girl in my calculus class apparently thinks I'm an asshole because I said wind turbines are ugly (literally lowers real estate value) and many are needed to power a city; nuclear is a better option.

Liberals get emotional very easily.

Valid to an extent. There are other leaks though. I'm pro-nuclear, just want to make sure the plants are built well - and that Jill Green's idiocy isn't misconstrued by either side.

Thorium never took off because the nuclear industry within the united states is base line uranium oriented. Uranium being such a integral part , meaning all our enrichment((gasoeus diffusion etc)) etc are all uranium focused. The move to thorium , even with its breeder properties, wouldn't be economically worth it.

The reason why we have such strong dependence on uranium as a main fuel source, is yes, due to our initial strives to reach an atomic weapon. But in today's world they have hardly in common, due to 4 or 5 % enrichment for a LWR compared to 95% HEU for a nuclear weapon

ugly isn't a real argument but lowering property values is trivial compared to opening a nuclear plant next door.

But I do agree, nuclear is the better option.

Not just that. Nuclear actually indirectly saves lives because of all electricity generating technologies it has the lowest fatality rate, lower than even solar, wind and so on.

A NASA study has calculated that if we had not used nuclear power, there would have been 1.7 million more deaths and projects that an other 4.4-7 million lives will be saved thanks to nuclear in 2010-2050. Thus nuclear is actually a life saver.

This exclusion zone is pure idiocy. There is exactly ZERO evidence that living there has any detectable negative health consequences. They do it to pander to fearmongers, not because it is actually a smart thing to do, see Fukushima evacuation.

Nuclear is the only viable option for our power needs.

She overheard a friend and myself talking, I said the ugly part to be (somewhat) comical. She didn't even engage in the conversation! She told my other friend in the class she thinks I'm an asshole and doesn't like me, lol.

Liberalism is a mental illness.

Reagan never should have shut down the asylum system.

You can't educate the mentally ill.

You seem to have avoided all of his arguments and brought up no evidence to counter the poster's claim.

All I'm hearing from you is MUH FEELINGS, NUCLEAR IS SCARY, and BAN SCARY TECHNOLOGY

If anyone is acting like a shitlib, it's you

>It's why thorium never took off.
redpill me on this, I've heard a bit about it, but not the full gestalt

Pros
>Nuclear energy is a life saver
>most dense form of pure energy
>practically no harmful emission, besides coal usage of uranium mining trucks
>Near 0 percentage of melting down etc
> Can actually down blend HEU to a LWR operation fuel of 4~5% , thus elimination nuclear weapons
>Can power 55% of the energy req of south carolina with 4 nuclear plant
>ect etc etc

Cons
>liberals are but hurt

liberals deserve death

Gordon Mcdowell just put together a 6 and a half hour video today that will tell you literally everything and give you all the sources your heart could desire.

Thorium is always interesting, but pushing for all forms of nuclear is what we need, especially the international push for fusion.

youtube.com/watch?v=2oK6Rs6yFsM&t=10159s

Libs gonna lib.

For actively trumpeting their own education they certainly shut out more than a few inconvenient truths.

>b-but nuclear is bad! because uranium will run out in 2050 just like peak oil totally happened in 1980!
>we rather let the government use that uranium to make nuclear weapons instead of using it up and producing electricity

>nuclear actually isn't that cheap :^)
>that's totally not caused by the ridiculous amounts of regulations where even the permission to build a reactor is valued over $100 mil on the market
>and the many safety regulations and fees and redundancy everywhere
>and competing technologies such as solar and wind receiving ridiculous government subsidies
>totally not like in an actual free market nuclear - especially with newest gen reactors - would be much cheaper :^)

The very short version is that after building the 2nd generation of light water reactors that were just scaled up submarine power plants the US had two options for new nuclear technology.

Fast Neutron Breeder Reactors and the Liquid Salt Thorium Breeder Reactors.

The Fast Breeders were centered in California while the Liquid Salts in the Southern States.

Nixon said California got all the funding, because back then Republicans could win California.

The industry had the experience using the light water reactors and said we don't need a new tech this stuff works well enough. So to this day the US and most of the world only builds light water reactors and it took till 1997 for a viable Fast Breeder reactor design to be completed and approved.

If she got that emotional about you saying turbines are ugly, she will probably shoot up the school if you comment negatively on the appearance of her backpack.

>Liquid Salt Thorium Breeder Reactors
>muuh Thorium

illiterate spotted

thorium or uranium, you can both use them in the same liquid salt breeders. the only difference is uranium has much higher energy density than lmao thorium, thus even with liquid salt breeders using uranium is much smarter than lmao thorium

the fact that she has a phd and posts stuff like this is strange

>Reactors blow, for miles and miles in a large radius the grounds are unlivable areas
>Pollute the area with radiation poison
>spreads through animals, bugs, water and air
>Pretending they are safe and can be maintained for all time
Not worth it. I hate saying it, but I agree with the hack.

i kek'd hard , to think that liberals actually consider those ideas to even remotely be the primary proponents of nuclear energy make me want to shoot my self in the face with a rocket launcher.

People are so fucking retarded


furthermore; ANYTHING that requires huge amount of government subsidizes to even be competitive should be banned instantly

I'm actually getting a minor in nuclear engineering, and my professor for my first nuc class literally shits on libs all day , its quite funny

Show us the evidence of that happening.

We'll be waiting.

I'll save you some time. Look up the IAEA's report on the extent of damage that occurred due to Chernobyl. Come back after reading it.

Thoruim can be turned into U-233 in the reactor; U-233 is useless in PWR and LWR but MSR can utilize it. Uranium has a higher energy density potential, sure, but Thorium is so monumentally cheaper (there's billions of tons of the stuff just lying around as mining waste.)

Literally this just posted on Sup Forums

>Not a single plant built by Westerners has had a meltdown.
What is 3 Mile Island for $200, Alex?

I want to fuck Jill Stein

you realize Chernobyl is a wildlife sanctuary now right?, birds literally nest in the roof of the sarcophagus. I don't know what type of scientific illiterate you are but radiation is not that scary, its really fucking hard to get yourself irradiated to the point where its damaging.

>Jill Stein

Hands down the biggest con-artist of this election. Even bigger than Bernie.

Partial meltdown.

She's fucking right. Look ar japan. Also she knows abt the isis plans to weaponize. Green is redpilled

you are actually correct

however from the top of my head without fact checking it I remember that the fuel price is negligible in the overall cost of the reactor's life time so you might as well just use uranium

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image relevant

Most americans outside scientific circles know nothing about nuclear power/radiation other than "its dangerous". I love spooking people with the americium 241 button inside smoke detectors under my gieger counter reading at like 40K CPM.

>agreeing with jill stein

she is fucking looking for mass hysteria, shes being a manipulative cunt that has no idea what she is talking about. Cmon fellow burger dont fall for that LEEE NUKES meme ,, ffs

> I'll post a meme, that should substitute for my lack of substantive knowledge

>To be fair, there are plenty of nuclear plants ran solely to maintain our nuclear arsenal.
>solely

Are they producing energy? If yes then you're lying.

BTW, nuclear it green energy which global warming cucks should like.

This. Uranium is about as common as platinum.

so I quickly googled and the only useful image I found right away was this one

you see the fuel costs are negligible, barely above 10%

No, bit Gilf Stein surely needs a good spanking for being such a qt granny.

This is actual clickbait journalism and you know it. I want hard scientific evidence, not the Jew York Times.

>>>>

You can't literally detonate a nuclear plant. The uranium is not enriched enough.

>violence against a Stein
Don't try to start that race war shit here.

Literally all of our enrichment facilities, fuel fabrication facilities and fuel reprocessing facilities are all designed solely around uranium. An upheaval of those facilities wouldn't economically be worth it , due to the fact that uranium is still in a huge abundance, and we have DU which is still viable for re utilization. For the moment thorium is actually a meme ,, but in the future i foresee it will take precedent over uranium

the basic is that the materials used in LFTR reactors are extremely corrosive and we don't have any material that can handle it.
it's much more cost effective maintenance-wise to use traditional uranium/plutonium since your reactor doesn't corrode so quickly.
nuclear engineers are well aware of thorium, there's currently no feasible way to use it.

If we're going to talk about Jill Stein, why aren't we talking about how her recount revealed Hillary Clinton conducted massive voter fraud in the election? This is FAR less relevant.

>what is lung cancer

6/10 made me reply

You still haven't posted any proof

literally this

hence why is is ignorant spewing hysterical arguments trying to drive the uneducated into a lama semen gargling induced autism rage

Thorium is the vaping of nuclear energy. At least try to hide your reddit, faggot.

fuck nuclear energy, teslas work is the way to go but modern science is full of shit to acknowledge it.

trump will bring teslas teachings to light.

>The nuclear industry is overregulated
Goddamn son, you have a serious case of the retardeds

It's true if they don't have proper safety standards in place and considering the incompetency of government bureaucracy do you really think they make sure they are all protected against shit like a huge solar event?

you saw it, the ibis wills it. teslas spirit shall rise

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literally why not both , nuclear energy is by far the best and always will be.. say hello to Braunau am Inn for me please

we can design reactors today that cannot melt down

>ionizing radiation is the only bad kind of radiation.

So blue pilled that its reached cancerous levels.

That's her opinion but I'm pretty sure that it's the only a matter of time before we create plants that can survive on nuclear waste making it even better.

I'm well aware that it is, homie. But it's a good meme to get people interested in learning about nuclear.

How are we supposed to follow his example when he didn't write anything down because he was an uber-autist Serb?

> nrc.gov/about-nrc/regulatory/licensing.html

literal bong

see nice sp00ky colours though friend

>Italy can't into high school

> potato nigger has an 8th grade education

>can
Doesn't mean that they are all updated to be failsafe

Regards to the future of nucleal energy the utilization of spent fuel ,depleted uranium, has more of a chance of being the future than thorium does

>Phones have been proven to damage sperm count
>Ionizing radiation is the only bad radiation and you should only care if it kills you.

>Mexico

All generation 4 reactions utilize 100% passive fail safes that don't require human interaction or the presence of electricity to engage

will do bro.

nah, only with extreme precautions is nuclear energy safe. it is inherently dangerous and thus as i said needs expensive and great precautions. also we do.

tesla was working on ways to harness never ending energy from the earths atmosphere, nuclear energy creates waste.

he doesn't own the knowledge, we will have to arrive to it on our own, or someone eventually has it written down.

get to fucking work scientists of Sup Forums.

also look into hermeticism. tesla told us "if you want to know the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration"

look up the kybalion to understand it.