Free Market capitalism (not ancap) is best economical system in history of man kind

Free Market capitalism (not ancap) is best economical system in history of man kind.
Prove me wrong

Protip: You can't

Retards will still vote to have less options in their lives for some reason.

Equalityof opportunities is the only kind of equality in my book

Yep especially in EU.
People here unironically think that USA economical system is bad and that Europeans have better standard.
I think Communist propaganda is running strong here. Everyone is shitting on USA but everyone would sell their mother to live in USA and other Anglo saxon countries.

People just like to be dogs on leash

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Just look at the state of affairs related to capitalism in the usa and china. Free market capatilism is being used to enslave the communist china.... That's wrong. Same thing is happening in American too. Capitalism = new world slavery

usa is so broken... If you defend free market capitalism, you're just as bad as the rich folk, which are as smart as a redneck on meth. Fuck the ultra elite and fuck you Op for making me reply. I hope you KYS

If you tried to point how free market economy is failed system you just posted picture of Socialist system where bureaucrats write laws and regulation for big business to keep them away from competition.

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>regulation for big business to keep them away from competition
That comic was made in 1889. Sherman Act was in 1890.

Commie why you so angry? Did Free market economy bring such prosperity to USA or not?
Are you able to afford Smartphone,TV,Radio, Fridge...etc for dirt cheap prices thanks to big corporations which were able to invest large capitals in large manufacturing to mass produce things for significantly cheap price?

Can you just look at street and see how much cars are on road? Are all these people that drive these cars fucking rich? Nope they are average Joes where capitalism and big corporations were able to produce this product at affordable price, you couldn't imagine so many cars with such gadgets 100 years ago.

Don't tell me system is totally screwed because of Obamacare and this shit, this is because of Socialist policies not because of free market.
I hope Trump goes and deregulate market as he promised, this would bring miracle again.

Because of people creating monopolies?
Delegating equal power to every human being is basically the same as anarchism.
Some peoples job should be to build houses. Other peoples jobs should be plumbing.
And some people need to be in charge of the laws so that rich people cannot set up a system which only governs them. Socialism does this by paying everyone a decent salary, and taxing people according to their income- i.e by percent.
And then voting democratically on who should be in charge of this delegation.

in ethnically pure nation states only

Well problem is lack of transperancy in democratic system.
Problem is not in free market economy, free market economy works flawlessly when democratic system works and there is transparency.

Once you start playing shady games and you have secret programs its start to go downhill.

Fix trasnparency issues.
Free market is most fair system in world because each according to his ability is able to earn and prosper, (ITS NOT ABOUT EQUALITY) because equality doesn't exist nor should people earn same. I bet you wouldn't like if some retard earns same as you do and he isn't able to wipe his ass

Islamic economics is GOAT. It combines free markets with social welfare.

Says the commie that lives in Croaita.

No commie/socialist here. Just straight fed up being the rich mans lapdog for scraps while my nation goes to shit.

Corporations do what they did for profit... Thats it. If youre under the impression free market capitalism the solution, you're the problem. We are living in age where free market capitalism isnt controlled by the people but by the very few.

Where is your free market capitalist power in your shit eatting country? Oh yeah... You dont have it... So get back to work while your corporations rape your country in the name of free capitalism.

No, I would not. But you would sell your mother for a sum of money, wherever you'd have to live.
I don't want to live in a place where education is relevant to my parents income and the justice system is rigged to favor the wealthy. I don't want to live in a place where having an opinion that differs from the majority is frowned upon, and where being dumb and rich with as less effort as possible is cool.

Typical from you, Muhamma-Hans

>people who have never lived in communist countries defending communism
oh boy, what a thrill

Shhh, ex-soviet states are under the delusion they were worse off under "commies" (state capitalism, actually).

Nevermind that people are getting more and more frustrated with capitalism and democracy in ex-soviet bloc, and that was according to research in 2009.

Capitalism is a playground for parasites, morally insane satanists, and jews.

Last paragraph is America in a nutshell.... Its heartbreaking...

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Lol why do you have mentality that something should be controlled.
Just kick this concept of regulation of control out of your head, the free market system is self regulating and controlling.

Big business can only become big if you voluntary give them money and wealth and if you give them you give them because they provide cheaper and better product then rest.

And if you are not satisfied you can go to other corporation or bussiness.

Did Bill Gates exploited anyone? Nope he made product that people found usefull and he created many jobs and opportunities based on this product and also his products based on Windows created countless other jobs indirectlly?
Did founders of google expolited anyone? nope you voluntary use their service for free and they only earn by ads.
You have envy because people became rich and they became in fair way and you and other gave them money and power.

You people can't seperate FREE MARKET CAPITASLISM with SOCIALIST MARKET where there are thousands of bureaucrats making laws and regulations against small business.

If somebody makes laws that benefit big business its called socialist country.
Minimum wage is biggest socialist law in book and most damaging, because it destroys competition for small business.

So are you saying communism was good idea? Every commie system its showing how great it was just look at death tools and prosperity it brought.

Its the best but you need to add protectionism.

Free market capitalism pits the working class fighting against each other who can work for the lowest wage. It is anti-people, anti-nationalistic and anti-white.

Crony Capitalism is not the same as a free market economy. Free markets depend on people buying things, when people become lazy is when monopolies start to form.

That's right amerifat. don't worry about spics and niggers, care about the selection of burgers available.

How mad were you, when you realized Karltural Marx was right?

Well problem is lack of transperancy in democratic system.
- valid point.
But consider this, if the marked is not regulated then a 10 year old can buy a gun.
We need regulations.
Socialism is just trying to imply the regulations where they serve the best for all people.
And no, if i was doing the same job as a retard who could not wipe his own ass i would first of all reconsider my current employment and second of all see if the retard is doing his job. If a retard does his job i have no problem paying him the same as my little brother. But i would encourage my brother to study harder and get a better job.

Yeah how'd socialism work preventing all those shitskins from coming over and leeching off society huh?

A fucking leaf thinks it's either or situation.
>American education

Gas em.

How do you prevent it from warping into crony capitalism or corporatism?

How do you contain usury in a truly free market system? Or inter-generational compound interest? How do you contain the impact of landlords, similarly?

It's pie in the sky m8. Like all of these good-on-paper ideologies, it assumes humans will magically overcome their biology to become perfectly moral entitites.

Yes, it's better than the other good-on-paper ideologies assuming you come from a large family with a lot of social contacts. It fucking sucks if you don't, and all too many of us don't.

Dude... You got it wrong.

Bill gates did exploit people... He still does.
Google exploits people all the time.... Just review H1B visa in america and how google, apple, oracle use them.

You can choose to avoid these companies, but being so pervasive and using america's government, they successfully duped us into believing we HAD a choice.

Brother, i want you with me in arms when we cut the ultra elites heads off. Please do more homework before sucking "free market capitalisms" dick. That mantra is what bill gates and google want you to repeat in your head, practice in words, to live by.

Enjoying all this misery and death
Also, your leaf is showing

I just fucking love how cucked Amerifats are. "hows socialism gonna prevent 3rd world leeches" Like not letting them in,and booting slackers to work camps isn't even considered an option.

Or you know, starve them to death while you and the neighbors have a nice barbecue by the pool in the backyard of your white homogeneous community and everyone has an AR-15 slung over their backs in case they violate the NAP.

>be socialist
>let them in
>pay them to rape
>"Socialism keeps niggers out, fucking stupid amerifats and your individual liberty."

If you want an actual functioning nation, market economies are the only logical way to distribute resources. Commies are completely divorced from reality.

THICC

What part of not letting them in don't you understand? This is how cucked amerifats are.

You're literally incapable of doing that tard, enjoy that EU Reich thing going on over there I'm sure Schulz will socialize your asshole with BBC.

This is problem with Socialism where if you want to implement law and regulation that is trying to serve best for all people but just skin deep and its not looking of consequences of this law. Its one sided regulation.

For example minimum wage law only looks perfectly good on surface: OH everyone is forced to be payed more and everyone will be happy but on other end its also increasing cost of employing someone and increasing cost of product or service produced which in turn will destroy jobs and products provided.

You just can't trick system for everyone to prosper You can by same token demand $100 minimum wage and you know what would happen.

Everyone should be free to choose what they want and do business how ever they like and government should only have role to protect people from each other.


Government should only be entitled to public sector which is more efficently run by government something like roads and other things...

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>put the Sim City 2000 down and go outside.
You need to do more homework.

lol u tard, why did you have to change subject? can't admit you were in the wrong?

Any stateless system will turn into plutocracy or feudalism

Dude, nobody is forcing you to work for Bill Gates and Google, nobody is forcing you to buy or Use their products.
And for people that don't have anything better to do than being exploited from Microsoft is much better then digging trash bins for food.

Imagine how much world benefited from Google and Microsoft products on contrast how much they "exploit" overwhelmingly they improved world.
Because everyone fundamentally tries to exploit you and use you to maximal potential.

You are also able to bargain with Microsoft because if they need you as worker you can set your price if you don't want you can refuse and someone else can take it.

Because you're in the fucking EU and talking about stopping immigration, that's a joke right there. I'll be over here behind the wall starving shitskins after cutting welfare and having individual freedom while you can be over there paying for niggers to kill you.

I was under the impression this discussion was on the level of theory, you didn't dismiss gassing people after all. On the note of reality, our gov selling our cuntry to highest bidder seems very free market capitalistic to me.

-This is problem with Socialism where if you want to implement law and regulation that is trying to serve best for all people but just skin deep and its not looking of consequences of this law.
- This sentence makes me feel bad. Stop it.

And yes, if the minimum wage goes up so does the cost of employment. But consider the fact that if the minimum wage goes up, then people have more money to spend making the price of the product at hand more expensive increasing the employers profits.
You are probably not very good at playing chess are you?

EUcuckopians are have over inflated pride in Europe like college art professors who think they have all knowledge of world,

Europeans think they are somehow more intellectual and cultural than Americans because muh Socialism, here is always same commie propaganda how Americans are stupid but never being in America.

Even if Americans don't have general knowledge of world WHO GIVES SHIT, they do they job and they do job effectively and earn money.

Europeans like to learn bunch of useless facts about history and art that they will never use. We think that somehow makes us better to know how to recite capital cities of world.

WHO GIVES SHIT only thing that matters is if you are efficeint in what you do aniway you'll spend your life in factory or office doing absolutely different thing and you won't use 90% knowledge that you learned in school.

We Europeans like to waste resources on stupid shit.

>Real free market has never been tried

That's right stupid goy. Don't have a culture. God created you to work for us.

And whats problem there Norway? This is exactly what I said its problem when you increase minimum wage....

I am against minimum wage because only big bussiness profit from them and cut competition.

>Dude, nobody is forcing you to work for Bill Gates and Google, nobody is forcing you to buy or Use their products.
>And for people that don't have anything better to do than being exploited from Microsoft is much better then digging trash bins for food.

>Imagine how much world benefited from Google and Microsoft products on contrast how much they "exploit" overwhelmingly they improved world.
>Because everyone fundamentally tries

You taking all this context like your heroes (google, apple, steve jobs, bill gates, insert new age tech company) like they never tempted a person for money? Like they never dupped others in to doing their bidding. You make it sound like there was a decision, through captialism. You are looking at this topic from the top down. Try looking at it from the bottom up.

Nobody is forcing us to work in america... I get. This is not so much in China, where most of the world shit comes from. Try telling people there to 'not work' because ultimately you fuck the rich. See where that gets you?

Now tell a group of poor people not to work for the man, cause "free market capatilism". Youll come across the same shit the chinese would come at you with.

Judging by your posts and what you said, you are a rich fag. You can't look at the whole picture because your rich parents and your rich world is all you see.

Heres a homework assignment : live like a poor person in american and get to be lile Bill Gates. try it and see what happens. From your perspective, you will achieve being bill gates.

But reality is a mother fucker... And you need to stop playing sim city 2000 and stop being a keyboard jockey for the rich.


Did you know, most of the elite never lived like you?

Anyone who doesn't own their own business doesn't get a right to fucking complain about capitalism.

Obviously it has flaws, but socialism and communism don't allow me to form my own economic enterprise by signing a few papers.

Hey man, i don't have to agreed to you opinion to respect you as a person. You shared your opinion, and put it up for discussion, i can respect that.
But from one man to another, you seem like a smart person. Just read a bit more about the other points we have been trying to make, and then make another conclusion for yourself.
Nobody wants to see people begging for coins to buy food. And we all want to solve the same problem. We just need to read more, acquire more information and then we can make better conclusions.
So anyhow, thanks for raising an important question, but try to listen to peoples arguments a little more, and stop defending your own arguments so unquestionably.

Listen to this Ameri-cuck.

Do you like sucking dry, rich elitist ballsack?

>wahhhh yugoslavia was so bad even though it was a mixed economy wahhh

kys retard, you don't even know anything about your own nation

This
If commies want to try their shit again, they can do it in a way that doesn't force me out of my mutually agreed exchanges of value

Do you know that China is communist/socialist country? Do you understand that?
There is absolute no choice and either you work breathing cancerogenic chemicals or you starve to death, this is why socialist communist systems are dangerous man because big companies go to lobby for laws and regulation to cut small business from competition and people have less choice.
America is also heavly socialized today, with obamacare,welfare and other crap.

You can't force equality on people you can't force Bill Gates or anyone to pay you "fair" pay because nobody can decide what is fair only that you both agree on it.

Americans and world lost countless jobs with regulations because all jobs shifted to China, hong kong where its almost free labor, but yet in same time they are becoming incredibly rich.

post scarce economic theory is far superior

Except I don't because I fucking write my own paycheck.
Who fills out yours? McDonald's?

And yes I am not rich, in fact I don't have almost any assets, I am from Croatia bro you think there are rich people here?

I am struggling to find jobs next week I am going to Germany to work in MC donalds so this is how much I am rich. But I recognize why our ex soivet countries were so shit. because there was no freedom to do what you want. You are forced to do what someone tells you.

uhm no. I don't think so. Since the worker pays taxes on his salary, there is money actively working against class segregation right there.
And then when the employer earns the profits of selling his product he also pays taxes. Again there is money going towards fighting class oriented culture.
The employer has to pay taxes on the product he sells, when he sells it and when he buys it from the producer. Again money going towards better education, better infrastructure better healthcare and so on. In the bigger scale the employer has to sell a lot of the product at hand before he starts earning serious money. He has to increase (procurement?) - How much he orders from producer.
And he has to employ more people creating more tax money, before he can even begin to go big. And that is risky given hes margin of profits after taxes. Catch my drift?

It's the moves away from capitalism that has caused problems in USA, and China's reluctance to fully embrace capitalism that has caused problems there.

>the state opening your borders and throwing welfare at niggers is the free market
You hate capitalism because you don't even know what it is.

Brother, that is exactly what socialism wants. It wants to profit small businesses and make it harder for big corporation to seize control of the market.

>you're just as bad as the rich folk

Laying on the bait a bit heavy handed there m8

Read about it and think for yourself.

Forgot to tag you or whatev

Nope my friend.
Empoyer NEVER PAYS COST of taxation and other imposed things, it all breaks on back of employees and people buying this product.

Every empoyer calculates TOTAL COST involved in taxes and selling his product, and if there is Cost imposed he raises prices of goods or pays his employees less and makes them work more.

And this is also problem government should not decide where your tax money goes, they should not force you to pay for socialized Schooling or medical? WHY?
Because you have no opportunity to choose where you will go to school or to which hospital and if they provide bad school you are forced to go to it.

Same money that you say its taxed out of you to pay for yourself to go to school can be used by yourself to do exactly same thing and plus you could have more choice.

Why you think public school are so shit? Because they don't have competition and they can't get fired, they are protected like polar bears with laws and regulations.

pretty sure socialism is the same as facism and communism.

also free market fails when the general population is too retarded.

You rich fag. I cant stand you defending your rich way.

I give up... You are too intent on reciting Alex Jones and begging for your mouth to be fill by the global elite like you are somebody... Your just a pleb... Not even a cog yet you stand there and ignore everything I said.

Just KYS. Do it.

capital (machines, wealth, land etc) still gets accumulated in fewer and fewer hands as the years go by. Its obviously better then most other systems but its like the system still needs a purging every now and then. Otherwise you just have some rich fucks great great great great grand kids buying a bunch of land in the third world, renting it out to some poor peasants and basically living like a feudal lord, creating nothing of value but still living perpetually as Caligula.

>free market capitalism

>not ancap

this requires some explaination OP

Bro I am 28 and I have $3500 in my bank account this is all I earned since age 18... am I rich?

I struggle to find job because government makes hard for employee to give me job, they are forced to hire me for minimum wage and I am willing to work for less and gain experience.

Do you ever wonder why people complain about how when they look for job companies always require you to have 2 years experience but how can you get it if you never worked it? Becuase you can't offer to work for less or free before you learn trade.

I Would like to learn some trade but I can't because stupid fucking socialist government is not letting me work for free to learn trade where I can become competent.

Would you agree that obamacare was a socialist policy? and would you agree that hurts small businesses? Would you agree the corporate tax hurts small corporations in the US atleast? Dont Norwegians pay way more for products than we do in the states?

Well, that sound like pure communism to me. In Norway it does not work like this. Employer partakes in paying the taxes. As a matter of fact, he pays the most of them i believe.
But the reason we don't want you to pay for your school yourself is because we want everybody to have the same educational foundation. Not some rich people paying for expensive schools for their children, while people working at mcdonalds send their children to lesser schools. We want equality, not inequality that is the backbone of socialism. But not total control, that is communism.

Do you understand how mass people are able to afford computers, cars and other HIGHLY technological goods?

Because there was some DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY rich fag who accumulated alot of wealth and invested in highly expensive equipement and intelligent people to work on product and he did it on his own risk to make this highly sophisticated product like Computer or Smartphone so you could have it for very cheap price.

So do you think someone making such huge risk is not also entitled to earn some money back, but also mostly these big companies are not single handedly owned but they have shares where everyone can buy them and you can also get some profit.

Computer, smartphones and other things would never been developed if people were not be able to accumulate alot of capital and wealth to start these projects.

Bro, i feel you really.
If things don't work out for you, read about coming to Norway. Do it before you are too old.
I talked to a man last week about education, he told me he started studying at 31. he is 40 something now and has a wife and kids, a car and a house of his own. Socialism works man, if you don't believe me i dare you to try it. The Norwegian way anyways.

has it?

On paper it may seem that employer is paying taxes but in reality it always come back to employee and customer who bears cost of taxation.

Government can come and say to empoyer you must pay tax for worker and yourself so that worker is 0% taxed. What do you think it would happen? Either employee would get less money or either product price will be to proportional ammount raised. You just can't fucking trick system, something must give in.

And what do you think rich people do? They all send their children to private schools while plebs go to poor shit schools...

>Free Market capitalism (not ancap) is best economical system in history of man kind.
>Prove me wrong
>Protip: You can't
I don't know what special version of laissez-faire you think has never been tried, but in general it was a disaster compared to modern, regulated capitalism.
Compare the stock market crash of 1929 to the crash of 1987.

Can an irishman breed with your women?

you seem to be mistaking socialism with capitalism. The only way you would ever have a parasite in a free market economy would be if you were to even allow it in the first place. In any other instance, such a circumstance would have to be legislated into existence, which would end the free market nation.

That is one of the most cancerous pictures I have ever seen. Thank you, OP.

Man I don't know if I have strenght and time now learning new language and I don't think it would be easy comming to live in norway and finding job.

But believe me maybe Norway is functioning good now but wait 30 years and things will start to change rapidly, when you are no longer able to afford retierment, healtcare, schooling ....and other social programs it will all fall down on younger peoples back.

First generation always lives very good in Socialist and Communist system but always later generations bare cost.

Today I read on news that Croatia is increasing retirement age to 67... that means that they are running out of retirement funds also same happening in Germany and other countries... You will see how system collapses in our life time.

I only hope more people get educated about economics to not fall for same trap if it ever comes to collapse

Read some Basic Economics, my friend.

Would you agree that obamacare was a socialist policy?
- It was a step in the right direction.

and would you agree that hurts small businesses?
Would you agree the corporate tax hurts small corporations in the US atleast?
- I have not read enough to make a statement about this.

Dont Norwegians pay way more for products than we do in the states?
- Yes, but we are payed more in the first place so it works out.

Read about it, please. This is important for our species to work out, and i can only imagine the power of 350 million voices if they sang the same song. The world is literally depending on you reading about this, and creating a culture in which discussing this is positive and encouraged. Like old uncle Jefferson.

I understand what you are saying, sorry if i came across a bit entitled.
You are right, our state is very young and it could get bad in the future, but i do really believe our system will stand and prosper.
We will have to wait and see.
But this

- I only hope more people get educated about economics to not fall for same trap if it ever comes to collapse

I could not agreed more.
Salute my friend,
i will get drunk to that now
because you have made me very depressed
but you have made me think

>anything with money = capitalism
Rape is capitalism, as long as you throw a dollar bill at your victim.

>Prove me wrong
>(not ancap)
I don't think I can without quibbling.


If aliens invaded and it was necessary for the military to confiscate someone's science project to defeat the aliens then I guess it would be justified to violate their property rights.

Any Irish man is welcome to breed with our women. Im not sure you would like that tho...

"Ja, Ja! ÅHÆRREGUUD JA"

>stock market crash of 1929
>laissez-faire
kek

Thats what (((They))) want you to think.