Both socialism/communism and fascism/nazism suck. Prove me wrong

Both socialism/communism and fascism/nazism suck. Prove me wrong.

Protip: You can't.

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This is why your right wing alliance shit will never take off. You think I've forgotten how you've called us leftists all these years?

They all lead to problems. The only good ideology is modern conservativism or moderate Libertarianism. Government is always prone to corruption no matter if you have democracy or dictatorship. So why not take enough power from them that corruption would be useless.

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the only good ideology is libertarian socialism

Every ideology sucks ass.
The solution is a human purge.

Communism and fascism are opposite sides of the Hegelian dialectic. Christian theocracy is the solution to the problem.

You want the government to have less power while at the same time be socialist?

You're not wrong. You're basically stating fact.

Of course, that doesn't mean every socialist/communist regime has to be authoritarian. Look at Norway!

He means marxist communism. Which is much, much harder to achieve than anything.

Doesn't exist. There is no such thing as libertarian socialism, they're literally a contradiction in terms.

why is perpetuating inequality good

you know that conservative/ moderate libertarian/ neoliberal policies are the real oppressors of you poor white bois?

>why is perpetuating inequality good
Because we are unequal.

I'm actually much more familiar with Kropotkin and Bakunin and that tradition and a fan of Bookchin and Öcalan

There's some good in Marxism, but I think Marxism-Leninism is pretty thoroughly discredited by the disastrous results in basically every country where a Leninist vanguard party has seized state power.

a little inequality is a given in any society but having 99% of the population live in shanty towns while 1% live in tall skyscrapers isnt a real solution

see this, and read some Kropotkin or Öcalan

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I just don't believe a system can work without the order of government.

Well duh. They're both socialism. It's literally the one thing Hitler did wrong.

I urge you to read some Bookchin or Öcalan

Democratic Confederalism (and libertarian socialism more generally) isn't about no government, you have local direct democracy and a confederation structure.

fascism is better, it makes your hair all silky and smooth!

oh god, kek has spoken...

You have to go back

Both Americanism and Liberalism suck. Prove me wrong

Actually don't because you'll only convince me further of your stupidity

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So we should all live in shanty towns?

Our societies are built so that if you try, and you take every opportunity, you can become rich.

I'm 35 living in a gated coastal town in Perth. I took my opportunities.

There are no societies that have 99% in shanty towns, but I will give it to you that having a super rich 1% may damage opportunities, but they still exist.

get out CIA

>Both socialism/communism and fascism/nazism suck

Neither of them are economically feasible.

Whats wrong with a fascist republic?

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kek agrees apparently.

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Catholic theocracy to be exact.

Spain (helped by Germany in the civil war) was probably close to how it should be.

"The "economic miracle" was initiated by the reforms promoted by the so-called technocrats who, with Franco's approval, put in place policies developed in Spain. The technocrats, many of whom were members of Opus Dei, were a new breed of politicians who replaced the old falangist guard. The implementation of these policies took the form of development plans (Spanish: Planes de desarrollo) and it was largely a success:

Spain enjoyed the second highest growth rate in the world, only slightly behind Japan, and became the ninth largest economy in the world, just after Canada. Spain joined the industrialised world, leaving behind the poverty and endemic underdevelopment it had experienced following the loss of most of its imperium in the 1820s."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_miracle

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My grandma sends her regards.

wtf i love socialism now!

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finally someone who doesnt go with the in-joke. but still this is probably bait

Has anything been more lied about than fascism?

What the fuck does that even mean, you dense fuck?

>The only good ideology is modern conservativism or moderate Libertarianism
>Government is always prone to corruption no matter if you have democracy or dictatorship
what about limited government? they're there only when u need them and it takes longer for them to become absolute authoritarian

The Brookings Institute found that in the USA today, you can get out of the deepest, darkest ghetto and move into the middle class by follow 3 steps:
>Graduate high school
>Get a job
>Don't have kids before 21

Wealth inequality isn't an issue in the USA, unless you're approaching it with a pinko crab mentality.

Bump

thing is, those opportunities don't even exist for a vast majority of the people

just because you made it out of this mess fine (congrats i guess), doesn't mean the system works for every single person out there

there's no such thing as equality, especially not in our current system, but socialism, or at least democratic socialism, is a good route to provide equity and an actual system that gives an opportunity for everyone

and no, i don't believe that a 100% shanty town situation is the ideal, but if our current system keeps perpetuating the inequality that exists today then 99.99% shanty towns might just be a thing

good goy

except those things can be 'treated' with things like

>guaranteed healthcare
>abortion availability
>guaranteed education
>guaranteed jobs

when you start blaming the person who is victimized by a system rather than the system itself, you've lost your way

>pinko crab mentality

what does this even mean? is this an argument?

Is this from Mein Kampf?

isn't the current trump agenda something akin to being called "national capitalism"? Naca! Ha ha ha

Preach it brother

what? no.
you're missing your leaf...

We must get rid of the bluepilled leftard nazis on Sup Forums.

why not? isolationist, but except of redistributing the wealth the rich get to keep it!

>This is why your right wing alliance shit will never take off.
This is exactly why it already has.

better to be a socialist than a free market shill

ancap is the only "political" system that is morally and intellectually acceptable

>I urge you to read some Bookchin or Öcalan

What should I read before these?

>Democratic Confederalism (and libertarian socialism more generally) isn't about no government,

With you so far bro

>you have local direct democracy and a confederation structure.

How is that different than the original 13 us colonies?

I agree but that isn't an argument

I assure you as someone who made it through the path of the jester, there really is no excuse for failure. In the end the thing missing isn't opportunities but agency. A complete lack of agency, that is, self awareness snf self actualization, results in the lower class. Other factors contribute, but without agency no recovery is possible. Ever.

The worst part is that none of the mockingbirds want to hear it.

Bookchin is more accessible, Öcalan is only available in English in kind of bad translations and can spend a lot of time on specifically Kurdish stuff.

>dude they were the same
>they just fought each other to death to the point of like 40 million deaths for no reason

Hoppe-style Libertarianism, AnCap (although I have no idea how you'd implement it), Feudalism and Fascism (but only during a crisis) are all acceptable. The rest are kikery.

What about Democratic Confederalism? They are currently fighting ISIS for us...

>abortion availability
No. Rest of those were okay, but allowing abortions and contraception is literally just allowing degenerate sex and underage pregnancy to run rampant.

wtf I love ford now

Georgism is a nice compromise senpai

National Socialism > Monarchism > Liberal Democracy > Communism

Dub's don't lie, this man tells the truth

Nazism made Germany great again, not starving to death like communism did

well, I wouldn't say they suck, but the're much better when combined

Capitalism is closer to fascism than communism is. Communism is anti-capitalism, fascism is not anti-capitalism, it's a more brutal form of capitalism

>degenerate sex
so? sex is pretty fun.

>underage pregnancy
that's what abortion availability is meant to tackle

Nazism is basically an Stalinist Communism though cept with the added bonus of hating the jews

>so? sex is pretty fun.
There's a time and a place for it though.

>that's what abortion availability is meant to tackle
Taking away their ability to have consequence free sex will have the same effect.

Yes u're right I want to move to USA to get me a slut wife to suck my dick all the day while I watch TV and I can't do that in Nazi Germany so I'm leaving

Fuck everything

>Nazism is basically an Stalinist Communism though cept with the added bonus of hating the jews
Not really. Fascism mostly uses capitalism, there's some government involvement but not nearly to the extent that communism has.

You're right. Both communism and fascism are collectivisms that appeal to people who have failed at life in some way... economically, socially, sexually, etc.

>There's a time and a place for it though.
Okay? Where's the argument here? It obviously depend on the person, not everyone has a 'morality' on sex.

>Taking away their ability to have consequence free sex will have the same effect.

That's completely wrong, though. People will still have sex for pleasure but, instead, they'll have to have the tens of babies like they did centuries ago.

Stalin actually removed a lot of (((rootless cosmopolitans))). He didn't outright call them out like Hitler did, but used their own linguistic/semantic tricks to eliminate (((cosmopolitan and anti-patriotic elements))), which was kinda cool

I bet you he will bring in god very soon

You're not right about that though.

And both Nazi Germany and Stalin were fascist.

communism is outright a satanist ideology. so it sucks the hardest

Too bad nationalism is never coming back

>People will still have sex for pleasure but, instead, they'll have to have the tens of babies like they did centuries ago
They had tens of babies because of high mortality rate. It's not like we had tens of babies in the 1940's.

Titoism is the best

>Nazism is basically an Stalinist Communism though cept with the added bonus of hating the jews

You know it's bad enough when you retards just lurk here.

Guess you cant talk about the truth on Sup Forums

Absurdism is best, prove me wrong, faggot.

I won't attempt to argue this over the internet, but the only thing I can say is that tearing off the chains of usury, perpetual debt, Hyper Capitalism/Socialism, and Marxism is what I ultimately care about. National Socialism offers these solutions and so i believe in it, of course with a few changes, but I encourage the reading of Mein Kampf, the stalag translation to be exact, if you want to get insight

why is that?

great führer

NatSoc is mathematically perfect. It's like an utopia where everyone is cooperative because they had grown up in trustful environment.

Silly Americans don't know anything.

Wut

Wut.

Nazis human founded genetic engineering, nuclear engineering, and space travel.

They would have dragged humanity into the platinum age. America wold have let the Nazis conquer Europe if Japan had not attacked Pear Harbor.

Theoretically, it's really an elegant economic system. Too bad it's far too stigmatized now to ever be attempted again.