Realistically speaking, if Russia and USA were to go to war, Russia would stomp our asses right?

Realistically speaking, if Russia and USA were to go to war, Russia would stomp our asses right?

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with conventional forces alone, no. the trouble is that the russians with almost certainty would use nukes, and then it's all a bit more up in the air.

either way, those crazy fucknuts who try to provoke war with russia - mccain, graham, hillary, ... - should frankly be locked up as they endanger humanity

We would lose the nuclear war because our allies are either incompetent or unequipped

No.

Shitty meme

The US excels at conventional warfare, and would more than likely stomp out literally every other country in the world in the event they went to war, including wars where the US is on the "attackers".

Russia has better nuclear capabilities.

It all depends on what type of warfare you are considering.

>conventional warfare - flawless american victory
>nuklear war - doesnt really matter everyone dies

Russian conventional forces largely consist of extremely outdated and poorly maintained cold war era equipment, manned by poorly trained and motivated troops who are little better than conscripts.

It wasn't until 2 years ago that the Russian military transitioned from rags to socks.

However, there are a lot of them on paper at least. Plenty of rust-bucket T-72s that'll need exploding, assuming they can actually move.

A nuclear war is not worth talking about. Now that a man with stones is in control of the football a nuclear war is extremely unlikely. Nuclear war only becomes a danger when one side believes the other will not effectively retaliate. That isn't the case with strong leaders in charge of both arsenals.

It would depend entirely on the allies.

>usa only country in history to have the ability to successfully invade russia
>for past hundred years the entire world has been focused on preventing it from happening

Assuming there aren't any nukes, we'd win every time.

>Russia has better nuclear capabilities

Ha! False.

They'd probably overrun Europe at the start. But they wouldn't really destroy us though.

Do to Obongo the US Army in it's current state could end up with something as bad as Somme or Verdun in terms of a disaster. The USAF would be semi useless on the offensive do to Russian SAM systems and the US Navy would dominate through brute force.

One advantage they do have is mobile TELs. Makes a pre-emptive counterforce strike basically impossible. The American minuteman silos, while not precisely vulnerable, aren't as robust in this regard. The US makes up for it with large numbers of extremely capable SLBMs.

US can wreck anyone at conventional warfare. US is utter garbage in non-conventional war against non-state actors. Smart enemies know not to engage in the US in conventional war. The US is too stupid to avoid war against non-state actors.

Russia should draw the US into more losing quagmires than it can handle, let the social effects of these wars take their toll on the American populace, and let the US defeat itself through infighting. Seems to be going pretty well so far.

Flying Witch was really really comfy

US military have been grinding XP on easy mode forever so they can be ready for end of level boss russia

russians: grew up shooting wolves out in the taiga

americans: cry when the net goes down

well yeah, both sides have a enough subs with nuclear ICBM's that landlocked ones dont even mater anymore.

And both sides can talk shit as much as they want, but when these subs go silent both sides will clench their assholes waiting for the punch.

just gib us all those abrams sitting on the field instead of the shitty 12 mortars we got way back then

>The US excels at conventional warfare,
The ones i trained against and with didnt know what covering fire meant

>gibs me dat

Man, fuck NATO.

Our military is THE BEST but our europoor allies rather spend money on invaders jameel and achmed rather than have real militaries anymore so they will be entirely useless.

>implying we send our best to guard 3rd world shitholes in Eastern Europe

Problem is that, Russia is a continent and well know for being shit at naval battles.
The US Navy would beat shit out of everything costal, but that's a small part of Russia.

Exactly this. Russia doesn't even have much of a navy anymore. They made news by sending a carrier to the Mediterranean a while back and it sailed through smoking like it's 1916. While it's conventional forces capability does have teeth, anti-aircraft defenses and fighter jets for instance, it's only been able to keep it's prestige by investing heavily in it's strategy nuclear deterrent.

isnt 101 supposed to be decent at best?
we actually fulfill promises

That's fucking bullshit.

And if they somehow didn't, well that day they learned (I'd hope) so what's your fucking point?

I know civ paintballers and gamers that understand what cover fire is, so I don't really believe you.

>It all depends on what type of warfare you are considering.
>type
>of
>warfare
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>Russia is a continent
By the same standards, so is USA.

Yes and no.

SLBMs have targeting limitations, and communicating with them can be difficult in wartime due to running submerged. VLF comms are extremely low bandwidth and the send facilities are targets for attack. Also, you might want to reserve your subs for targets not struck in the initial volley. If you completely blow your load and your enemy still has missiles left that you can't possibly hit because they're running silent and deep, then they can dictate terms.

>Realistically speaking, if Russia and USA were to go to war, Russia would stomp our asses right?

No. It's more like the world would end in a nuclear fireball.

US could not effectively invade Russia without total war, a draft, and fuck the UN and Geneva convention time. And even then, the exact outcome is uncertain beyond millions of dead.

Russia can't get enough conventional forces to the US mainland to matter.

Europe would be completely trashed in any event.

No nukes? It would be a stalemate because US wouldn't be able to perform a succesful land invasion, but Russia wouldn't be able to retaliate because their entire navy would be under the ocean.

>Europe would be completely trashed in any event.

again.

The should have let patton have his way.

Ideally you'd want to have a survivable ICBM force such that no first strike could possibly take it out, making ALCM your highly versatile backup system for the ICBMs, and your SLBMs as the final fallback weapon weapon when all others have failed. When everything else is radioactive ash the subs can still be unscathed.

they won both world wars ..... sooo ..... yeah

recently they out maneuvered us in the Ukraine and Syria so nothing has changed.

Depends on whether they invade us or we invade them.
We would have to repel their forces in less than 6 months else we would fall like a house of cards.
As for invading them? I dunno. Most countries that try end up dead, but I'd say we're at the point where winter isn't going to be as much of a game changer.

>platoon commander requests covering fire from americans to assault a 50.cal trench line
>7min later we see americans running in front of us
>all dead

>urban combat
>time to assault a 6 story building
>see americans climbing over a wall with no cover
>2 min later
> all dead

russia and america have different force projection doctrines though

russia is at its extreme logistical end when going to syria, for example. they're focused mainly on protecting russia and russian interests. when they deploy airborne its airborne armor, not light infantry

america goes balls on long range deployments using light infantry and winds up over-extended.

another difference usa relies over-much on tech while russia says here's a gun kill that fucker over there. no you don't get a radio, asswipe.

last russians aren't as pussy about long wars like the usa is. we can do 3 years before everybody gets tired of everything and starts crying.

They were when they had a job to do. Now people request to be in that unit because
>muh ww2

You talking about the same Russians that get shot down by Turks?

What's the war over? What are the objectives?

That seems of the ultimate importance. Are we fighting to keep Russia out of some territory we have an alliance with? Are we fighting to keep Russia out of a territory we are not allied with? Is Russia attempting to keep us out of territory they don't want us in? Are we fighting to conquer Russia outright? Is Russia attempting to invade the mainland U.S.?

I honestly and unironically believe the United States of America has the ability to neutralize any nuclear weapon, before it reaches U.S. soil and is keeping it hidden.

Try saying it in English next time.

>english is difficult
>american education
pick one

No.
More.
Wars.
Among.
Whites.

PERIOD.

The Ruskies are our brothers.

Lets see, America couldn't win in:
Vietman
Iraq
Afghanistan

Against a bunch of 3rd world farmers and goat herders.

Yeah, im pretty positive russia would curve stomp us. And you know what?
I would welcome it, fuck this country.

Bullshit, all of these three countries were turned into smoking craters.

I blame the media (read: leftists) trying to turn everything into Vietnam. Everything is a quagmire to them and therefore politicians on both sides want to have 'light' forces that supposedly can be withdrawn more quickly than heavy armor when the media inevitably turns the public sentiment against the deployment. Of course, such light forces tend to take heavier casualties, and then the politicians, due to media pressure, force them to be up-armored and slowed down with all sorts of ridiculous arbitrary rules of engagement to the point where the one advantage that they had has been completely eroded.

Light infantry is supposed to be able to move overland on foot, avoiding things like IEDs which must be placed on roads, paths, or other cannalizing terrain. If you heap 150lbs of shit on them then they can't fucking move overland, and end up having to do road moves everywhere, and get blown the fuck up. So then the response isn't to lighten the load of the infantryman, but to uparmor the light vehicles used, which is completely pointless given you can't put enough armor on a MBT to stop an IED, let alone a fucking humvee or MOWAG.

Only time my platoon was ever able to get the element of surprise was when we walked somewhere or got inserted by helicopter. Any time we did a road move we hit an IED, got ambushed, or gave the jihadis time to hide their weapons and pull the 'just an innocent farmer' routine.

Politicians should go heavy and brutal from day fucking one. Go big or go home. Major deployments with overwhelming resources and wide open RoEs or don't go to war.

No. Realistically speaking, if the US and Russia went to war you better pray to whatever god you believe in because you and everyone else would be meeting him soon.

Anyone telling you either side would win in a direct confrontation is an autist.

No. They'd go into debt within weeks. We're already in a huge amount of debt and it's not effected us much because we manage debt all the time. We're a global super power - Russia's not.

If shit hit the fan, realistically speaking, we'd all be fucked because Russia knows this as well as we do, so it'd be a nuclear war. If we go to war with Russia, the bombs come out, and it's end game in act 1. No survivors.

maybe if your working in fucking finance or repairing trucks. American combined arms are spectacular, we get hampered by our velvet gloved politicians and restrictive ROE's. If you were to give the same ROE's as the Vietnam war and 10,000 marine infantry, ISIS wouln't last a month

Hypothetical scenario where nukes don't exist:
USA invading Russia - Russia wins
Russia invading USA - USA wins
Russia and USA fighting on neutral ground - USA wins because of superior logistics.

Nukes:
Mice and rats get to build up their own civilization.

Hivemind. Literally 1 post apart. Glad someone else understands how serious a threat Hillary was to the world, if elected president. Starting shit with a country with a vast nuclear arsenal should be the last thing on anybody's mind.

Trudeau would probably nuke the urban and suburban retards that voted for Harper. But seriously we can't let him get the newQler codes.

we won in Vietnam, the VCwere backed by China and Russia in their back yard and we still forced them to the peace table. It was the south that lost the country after the americans left.

Our military doesn't work against insurgents with nothing to lose. Russia has cities, factories, bases, ports, manufacturing centers, and other targets that would cripple their ability to keep fighting if targeted and they have no real way to match our Naval and Air power.

Shit, China could jump in on their side and it would just mean more targets for us without any real change in threat.

What do you mean?

This user is excellent.

The thing to remember about Russia's national memory is that they've sustained terrible invasions from their West. They lost ten million young men in a single fight last century.

>makes sense that they want buffer states
>makes sense that they're triggered by nato encroachments
>makes sense that US neocohens want to trigger Russians by encroaching on their western buffer zone

Srsly, going forward, pls just understand that Russia is paranoid asfuck about their western front because they have a yuge nat'l memory about invasions from such.

Being light infantry is hell. You are excepted to do everything with out any support or at best 81mm mortars.
Still rather do that than be a wage slave and earn 0,16€/h

no

This. The Russian narritive is a desperate attempt to show they have power with poking the bear. War with Russia certainly wouldn't end soon or well.. similar to Iraq and Afghanistan but in my opinion much worse when it comes to civilian and friendly deaths.

War is the biggest generator of money the people in bed with the left have. It makes sense they're trying to do this, doesn't make it okay. If the US isn't at war there's less for our media to report on. It's irresponsible for anyone keeping that narritive alive. In my opinion organizations shouldn't be able to keep that shit alive but that wouldn't be considered constitutional.

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Thats the difference between the rest of the world and us. We are used to being coddled. While they sleep next to a mortar crater at night not giving a fuck. Those countries got rekked, yet america never established a clear victory. Couldnt seal the deal. Too many regulations, too much political bullshit.
Putin doesnt have those limitations, russia would undoubtably bring war to american soil through mexico, and the minute america sees a "red dawn" scenario people would buckle. The popular thing to say is that muhhh 2nd amendment militants would fight and help, but most of those larpers would shit themselves at the sight of a ruskie aircraft.

In Soviet Canada all the 81mm mortars are given to artillery so they have something to shoot.

Grunts only get 60mm, which we basically never use because they're too heavy to hump, and if you've got a LAV you just use that and the Carl G for fire support.

wow that was one retarded video

>Russians
>white

>100% true strories by estonia

You Bulgarians make some good crackers.

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Our air power is irrelevant against s400's
Its the only reason we havent rekked syria.
The navy is a meme.

speak for yourself numale

If conflict was on US soil we'd stomp their asses. You think all the vets and gun owners would put up with Russian occupation?
Russia is the least of our worries DESU, it's China and N.Korea that we should be afraid of. N Korea is crazy and China has a huge ground force.

the country that has more national pride and more racial and religious homogeneity will win

of course rusia would destroy you, while you amerishits would have niggers and feminazis protesting the war on the streets while you are bombed to fuck

Every company has 81mm add on platoon, and every platoon has CG m2. CG is fun as fuck unless you are doing urban combat. But at best you get a DAF truck to transport your shit but for most part you walk everywhere

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QUICK, this mobile coal facility is being towed toward your shoreline and is only 2 miles away. How do you respond?!

>locked up

nah, skinned alive with a box cutter ala mexico

>Couldnt seal the deal.

What do you mean "couldn't seal the deal", they'll be fucking goats for the next 200 years.

you posted that two minutes after I posted an 8 minute video...

Heheh lazy dumb Americans amirite

>nukes fly, everyone die
>thats the way we say bye bye

invade through mexico
>travel across the atlantic or pacific, doesnt make a difference either way the USA is going to know well in advance and have subs and planes fucking with you the whole way
>travel through the desert, while keeping a huge army supplies from the other side of the world
>go through Texas run into Ft. Hood Ft. Bliss or any of the many air force bases
>go through California run into the Marines and Navy fighters
> go through the middle still in desert now with higher elevations to deal with, your going to get surrounded by Army and Marines

Russia's Northern Fleet would be trouble just because they are on their home turf up there. If Canada were to be still under cuck Trudeau, he would probably allow them to simply walk into northern Canada and set up shop. That could be an issue.

No. Our military is shite.

we're just using the russian strategy to see if it works

I respond by watching their drunk vatnik pilots continue to crash their newest airframes into the sea and laughing.

Im a veteran, nice try.

>The US is the only super power
>You need us because we're the only ones strong enough to protect you
>YOU, ESSÉ! - YOU, ESSÉ! - YOU, ESSÉ! - YOU, ESSÉ! - YOU, ESSÉ!
OR
>Bwaaaaa- our allies won't help us we'd lose ;__;
Which one is it?

the first two minutes was enough
The scenario was so retarded. Also Russia would stomp the US in that scenario. Video was made by US shills. Also what the fuck is up with that retarded muppet

Humping the Carl G is full gay. I wish we had something like the SMAW that can be broken down.

They were fucking goats before america got involved, whats your point?

They couldnt seal the deal as in iraq is still the wild west, hence why isis still has mosul.

There are still troops in afghan fighting, and vietman was more or less a "stalemate" everybody knows that.

The russian airborne rpg 7 gave be morning wood because you can fold it.

You underrestimate the European Armed Forces.

We have the superior technology and good trained soldiers

Depends on what kind of war and which theatre it is in. A nuclear war would likely have no real winner anyway, so we'll discount that.

If the theatre was in Eastern Europe, and the war conventional, Russia would have the immediate upper hand, likely reaching Germany before NATO could build up strength on the continent. Not only that, but it's likely China and India would allow Russia to accumulate wartime debt meaning that they would have a ready supply of quality, but cheap, weaponry. NATO, with its manpower advantage, would likely push Russia back to her borders, and if she didn't surrender an invasion would begin.

If the war is in Syria, Russia would have the upper hand, whereas in Iraq the US would.

No way in hell conventionally, nukes might even it up a little but I doubt their nuclear capabilities are up to snuff compared to us either anymore.

Depends Russia can basically nuke the world 3 times over and have dirtier yield weapons.
The us has pinpoint accuracy with it's weaponry.
In let's say a typical small country Russian special forces and Russian defense capabilities are devastating as they can outsmart mode gulf war era early 2000s devices.
If in pure conventional weapons assuming nukes are not used Russia can deal some serious damage to the united States military ground capabilities especially. However if the united States can maintain some form of air superiority Russia is screwed and they know it.
Basically America wins but at high casualty rates. Russia loses badly that being said Russia wants to take on the united States economically. Putin's ultimate goal is to diversify his resources as he knows oil can't be his only financial goal. If Russia is able to get sanctions lifted in 2017/2018 modernize it's economy and bring in foreign investment into all areas of the country and make the nation wealthier he could return the Russian federation back to super power status by 2025.
All of this could be achieved through ruthless diplomacy and economic reforms. in turn he modernizes military capabilities and destabilizes eastern Europe he has a sphere of influence to keep NATO on edge.
Vladimir Putin is Russia's Richard Nixon.

I like how liberals protest Brexit like this by admitting how much of a bother Islam is to both the economy and society.
>Haha conformity is inevitable! Why resist???
>Declaring yourself oppressed, while shouting "Resist!"
Classic liberal cognitive dissonance. They're so scatterbrained, they don't even know what they are anymore.

Have you ever been to fort hood or bliss? I have.

Us army based are not designed to defend. They are more or less training/housing units.
Most bases have to order ammo im advanced to mee range qualification standards.
America is not fit to defend. A lamd invasion

we haven't even left the EU yet m8

Here's the thing - I don't get why you Americans don't just go fuck up your enemy and leave him in his misery. That's what war has been about for about 10 000 years.

No, you have to make a "bastion of Democracy", I've read the books of your Kissinger and he complains about this as well (needing a moral justification). These people have done you wrong so you fucked them up, I see no reason for leaving the country in a better state than the one you found it in, when said country has done you wrong.

ISIS is in Mosul, big deal, you fucked up Saddam, that's why you were there. Afghan is a hellhole, well - yeah - why do you have to rebuild it?

Eesti is so adorable, you can have anything you want!

How about a B-52 armed with some B61s?

Having served in russian army, I can say that there are nicely-prepared and combat-ready units and there are shit units.
I got drafted into a shit unit, and I consider the year of my mandatory service a lost year.
Realistically, we can't really answer this question, since there is possibly no person on Sup Forums who "experienced" both armies.
I'd say that we have an advantage in troop forces and subs, but the americanski have advantage in naval forces and air forces.