Why do you Sup Forumsfags not like Single Payer Healthcare?

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America is full of counterproductive people who will literally suck up taxpayer money like a black hole.

All these fancy Socialist policy's will only function correctly if the vast majority is positively contributing.

>you have to by healthcare, or else we'll ruin your life

t. federal govt

>MUH SOCIALISM
>MUH AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM
>I-IF WE EVER H-HELP MAKE IT SO THAT THE POOR CAN OBTAIN HEALTHCARE, THAT IS SOCIALISM

>He doesn't know about reallocating our tax dollars to more healthcare and education and less on wars

>acyka
Are you Russian?

It's shit.

>paying your whole life through the nose for a subpar health coverage

I wouldn't mind if we were a fully white country. Minorities take advantage of welfare, whites only use welfare as a safety net as intended.

The more free stuff people are offered, the less incentivezed they are to work and pay for their own needs.

>Because of the actions of the few, every poor person should suffer!!!
Do you know how prevalent welfare abuse is even in America?

>actions of a few
Nigger, are you aware of how many shitskins milk welfare benefits?

Sup Forums is incel on steroids.

Women actually use health care, if women posted here t'would be different.

Sure, because only lazy and entitled people can get sick, and need healthcare that doesn't send them in to debt.

>The few

People straight up die in waiting rooms here because every retard and their mother goes straight to the ER everytime they bump their toe on something

moral hazard

It's not my job to take care of you and your family, that's your responsibility.

It's a good idea in theory, but we're not in theory we're in a country where we have a whole underclass of leeches who already wholly subsist on the government tit.

Because they dont understand how it will lower medical prices and could potentially result in them even getting a raise and think it will just increase taxes by 100% or something. That or they are aware of the above but would still rather pay extra just so poor people suffer more.

Oh no! That's way worse than going 10+ years without care because it isn't affordable. That would just be terrible! Patients with life-threatening conditions are seen first. If you wait 5 months, its because you can wait 5 months.

>meanwhile, my healthcare costs have tripled under obamacare thanks to jobless retards like you
Why do all liberals constantly deflect from the fact that giving people who don't want to work free shit isn't a solution?

i dunno it seems nice but i dont think it would work in america, its barely working in canada and sweden

i heard japan has a really good system. does anyone know anything about it

>Drive up demand through the roof by allowing everyone into the market driving up prices as its all covered by gov money
>Anyone now will go to the doctor for anything, further driving up demand, people will be more lax with their health as it is covered, driving up demand
>Supply is inelastic as it takes a long fucking time to train a doctor
>GUFDHHF PRICE WILL GO DOWN

t. fucking retard

It's treason in the United States of America.

>Why must I pay for YOUR hospital bills?

Siri, what is Insurance?

I would support it if it included a health marshal that could force people to lose weight and not smoke.

Nice goalpost moving friendo

Our tax dollars go to a war machine that protects other countries so that they can afford to have their taxes go to healthcare. Fucking moron. Hopefully Trump doubles down on charging our allies for protection so we can pay for healthcare.

Insurance subsidized by tax paying population? Thats all single payer is. You think watching 14% of your income disappear for Social Security is bad wait until we have single payer.

Whos fukin payin bucko?

because privatized healthcare works amazingly in my country

Women use healthcare because they're hypochondriacs (pointless doctor visits) with fucked up emotions (anti anxiety/depression meds) and they need birth control.

>My premiums have tripled thanks to Obamacare!
>Doesn't realize that Republicans have gutted a program in the original bill that protected insurance from unexpected losses

Something I shouldn't be forced into paying for

Because I was left permanently disabled due to the incompetence of Quebec's single payer system. I only survived because I DIDN'T follow the orders the many doctors I saw gave me and I only found out what was actually wrong by googling it myself and asking them to test for it.

>>Doesn't realize that Republicans have gutted a program in the original bill that protected insurance from unexpected losses
So why did obama sign it then if he didnt want it?

>Siri, what is Insurance?
completely optional you retard, nobody is FORCED to pay for your fat fuck ass.

>why dont you want a health care monopoly that the government controls?
Why indeed

>deflecting from the fact that insurance went from 4% of my yearly income to 12%

Guess you'll have to build your own roads then. Good luck!

You only have to look at the cost of single payer in other countries. Germany pays around 5.5k per person annually, we pay about 9.5k

If germany can pay 5.5k we can pay 5.5k to get equal care as germany, if we pay 6.5k we will have roughly 20% better care than germany, can still claim the best healthcare in the world (nowhere better paying for doctors to go after all), and save 3k per person

And since your employer is no longer having to pay 5ksingle/17k family per healthcare anymore, but is instead simply paying higher taxes to offset no longer having to cover your healthcare (canceling medicare/medicaid gives us 3k per person starting, so the new corporate tax makes up the 3.5k difference instead of paying what they currently do directly for employee health plans) they can afford to give you a 1-2k per year raise

Buisnesses win because its still cheaper overall for them.
Middle class wins because now everyone is covered as they already were but now doesnt have to worry about ever not having healthcare ever again
Poor people win because now they are covered
Everyone wins who deserves anything good happening to them.

>Why do you Sup Forumsfags not like Single Payer Healthcare?

Don't know what it is,don't care enough to look it up.

You want lower prices? Increase competition.

Single payer systems cost a fuckton. When you're forced to pay huge chunks of your paycheque for it and then you spend 15 years having an easily diagnosed and treated disorder go undiagnosed, leading to permanent nerve damage in your spine and appendages... It doesn't seem worth it.

Its almost like those fucking libtards want us to think it works in other countries or something ... Wait.

>pic related
>what happens when America retreats from its defensive positions

Lower prices =/= affordability.
Lower prices =/= accessibility

Private companies can refuse your right to service can't they?

because now the majority of Americans believe healthcare is a right. Obama successfully shifted that overton window and all of you trump seals will be clapping like mad when whatever trump care is becomes law

I almost died as a child because doctors here fucked up in a similar fashion, a misdiagnosis. (they said it was a stomach flu, it was type 1 diabetes and i went into ketoacidosis)
That happens, it has nothing to do with the healthcare system. I know someone whos dermatologist misdiagnosed skin cancer a while back.

Examples of other countries national healthcare fucking up is not an argument, since ours fucks up too.

>Lower prices =/= affordability.
retard argues its not affordable while stuffing his face with chipotle and starbucks coffee costing him over 100 a week in food.

kill yourself fat fuck.

>It's another dumb young cuck wants other peoples hard earned wages episode because hes never worked a job.

One day a socialist will make a thread who unironically learned marx, and isn't just a small child with the life experience of mildew.

Heres the deal, if you implement single payer you also have to completely dismantle the current insurance and medicare policy framework down to nothing, allow interstate competition, and destroy medical patent laws. Then you maybe just maybe a shot in the dark get close to 5k.

Now explain to me how the multi billion dollar industries subsidized by the current system would opt in for this adjustment, or the politicians they control. And then tell me how long we stay at 5k as moral hazard sets in and demand skyrockets as every betty loo goes to the doctor for a stubbed toe. Germany which is full of robot society loving autists probably only manages it because of prudence, wasteful American lifestyle would see us back to 9.5k in a year.

A single insurance company for everyone, they tell medical companies they need X drug/service/etc provided for the people, said companies bid on it like a military contract, the most competitive offer is accepted.

Because I live under it and it fucking sucks. All that happens is that more and more funds are diverted to cities to cope with an ever growing number of randomers at the expense of everyone else who all end up paying for proper health insurance as well just so they can actually see a competent doctor. It's a fucking stupid meme.

I don't know too much about it but from I do know: fuck you and fuck you bills, faggot.

>Oh, you have to pay $100,000 for your chemotherapy but can't afford it? Better stop eating food!

Chaffetz please

FIFTEEN YEARS of peripheral neuropathy, when we KNEW I was anemic and not ONE doctor of the 30+ I saw bothered to check my B12 or antiparietal cell antibodies. Not ONE.

If it's just random chance, then I must have rolled snake eyes 100 times in a row.

>A single insurance company for everyone, they tell medical companies they need X drug/service/etc provided for the people, said companies bid on it like a military contract, the most competitive offer is accepted.
cant wait for our jewish government to make those honest deals with other jewish companies.

>single payer
>.gov is the only payer
>no multiple payers
>illegal to spend own money on your own body
plus my way right away, I hate waiting in lines

It might work in an all-white country, but even then only for a limited time

Eventually things will break down, as is the case with all nations. Give people an inch, and they'll take a mile.

Start with giving into the demands of these freeloader Bernie types. Just a single-payer healthcare. Okay, cool. Now I don't have to work, but the tax money will go to my medical bills. Not so bad, right? But then I want free college, too. Give me that, and I'll start to think about what else I can get for free.

In fact why should I ever have to provide anything for myself when deres all deez rich folkz, they got all this money and they ain't tryna give us nunna that

All those liberal shithole european countries will eventually devolve and break down into that. It's human nature for people to enjoy when someone else has to foot the bill. It's not sustainable.

>why do you not like the plan we want for you, just buy the damn health insurance goyim.

no.

>>Oh, you have to pay $100,000 for your chemotherapy but can't afford it? Better stop eating food!
probably should have actually taken care of yourself instead of being a fat ass and having a 100x increase in cancer risk.

you could also buy private insurance and pool yourself with other healthy individuals to make it dirt cheap.

My friend's mom is a hospital administrator and can go on for hours about what is wrong with the US system. I asked her about single payer, and she claims it will never happen here because so much of our economy is tied to private healthcare. It would be like killing yourself to get rid of a parasite.

The classic lefty straw man.

the only reason american healthcare requires health insurance to be affordable is literally because of the collusion between healthcare providers and insurers.

Massive inequality of people paying for it.

Mainly gibs niggers getting a free ride.

Its not really a mystery why places like Japan can pull this off.

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Because they don't come with a complimentary cute redhead.

>not treating preventable shit ahead of time when it's cheap
>only treat is when its life threatening and ridiculously expensive
>person can't pay for it because they're poor
>hospital has to treat them anyway because they can't turn away people from the ER
>hospital jacks up prices for everyone else, or gets bailed out by government
Either way the poor dude is getting subsidized by everyone else. Sounds like single-payer already, only you waste a shit ton of money by not treating the problem early because it's not life threatening yet.

>Then you maybe just maybe
If other countries can do it for X amount there is no real reason we can not either, only artificial reasons which can be destroyed.

>how
start doing it, shoot the people that offer resistance. They are playing with peoples lives already anyway. Its already a matter of life or death.

Germany is the second most expensive healthcare in the world after us, other countries with national healthcare do it for less. I use germany as an example specifically because we only have to pay more than germany to have the highest paid in the world.

I concede we do have some lifestyle issues. The thing is those issues are only allowed to happen as part of the overal system. If the FDA wasnt corrupt then the things in the food causing the conditions that have people on a dozen different pills every day would go away as well.

It is definitely a drain the swamp kind of problem.

why do you think that is in the US, that people go to the ER instead of a normal doctor?

Exactly it doesn't matter if you are capitalist or socialist when your population is shit to begin with.

Show me statistics on how prevalent welfare abuse is in the United States.

There are people over 16 that actually think like this?

lol

>All those liberal shithole european countries will eventually devolve and break down into that.

We have been hearing this shit for decades.

>everyone who has cancer engaged in risk behaviours

wew lad

>you could also buy private insurance and pool yourself with other healthy individuals to make it dirt cheap.
But that is not how it happens mate. You pay twice as much for lower quality

Because someone has to pay for this shit and, having had a decent paying job, it means higher taxes for me -- something I cannot afford.

People who want this want a continuation of mommy and daddy taking care of them.

They're being used by the people who will make the big bucks off of it.

Michelle Obama actually tried to stop kids from being fat fucks but Republicans went ape shit over it :/

Who the fuck is this girl and why do I keep seeing her on this board?
>inb4 "her"

You're just delusional if you think collusion and corruption wouldn't immediate re appear the second you establish a gov backed system, then you get the UK where Indians who brought their Doctorate from a Chinese degree farm end up being your doctor because supply can't meet demand.

And what are these stats, just mean average health cost per patient? Median? Considering most internationals come to the US for very advanced operations any mean will be distorted. Don't try to make violent social change, if you don't understand economics, statistics, or how human nature distorts incentives.

Single payer is not the answer, actually maintain the open market for healthcare and not bloating it with subsidy and patents is the answer. Or at least ban smokers and the obese form it.

>it means higher taxes for me -- something I cannot afford.
But you can afford 100k in hospital bills when the time comes?

>>everyone who has cancer engaged in risk behaviours
>wew lad
you realize its statistically correct right?

>But that is not how it happens mate. You pay twice as much for lower quality
which is why everyone is killing each other to come here one way or another right?

She tried and failed miserably. I agree republicans are fucking us over as well.

But you are OK with spending 80 billion dollars just to go to war. We can reallocate that money and probably just give everyone healthcare

Wow her hair color is beautiful. Is it real?

>Considering most internationals come to the US for very advanced operations
It's a lie. But even if it was true, are you proud that your country national healthcare is engineered to satisfy foreigners?

topcuck

Hello friend, I live in Canada. I know about single payer healthcare.

On a province to province basis, they'll spend anywhere from 45% to 55% of their total budget on health care. This includes federal transfers, so we can roll that into it.

Now if you make about 50K a year - slightly more than average, you're paying roughly 40% in taxes. So 20K. Half of that goes to health care, so 10K a year. Or 833$ a month.

This might seem like a great deal if you're a 70 year old lardass who smokes, drinks and never moves, but if you're young and fit, it's a horrible drain on your income for which you get nothing.

Absolutely nothing. You're paying 20% of your total income in taxes in exchange for nothing.

Have I said that enough? 10K a year for nothing.

That's why single payer healthcare is shit. Thank you for your time.

Fuck being in a risk pool with niggers and Mexicans; that's why.

Hitler was a national socialist. I love irony

>which is why everyone is killing each other to come here one way or another right?
Yes, spics, chinks, nigerians and poos are killing themselves to come there.

I am glad to know you are proud that your country is satisfying immigrants needs. After all we are all human ;)

I believe in nationalized healthcare.

>in exchange for nothing.
In exchange of being better then USA

This is a horribly misleading statistic. You should feel bad for using it.

> Why do you Sup Forumsfags not want to sacrifice your life for your country and then have to deal with the VA
Are you fucking serious?

Rand came up with 10% of all medicaid spending is fraudulent. That's just health, there many other social welfare programs like HUD and SNAP. Anything with a potential for fraud will always have it.

How is that ironic? The NSV only paid out to Germans in good standing.

A mongrel nation can't have single payer healthcare. Purify our demographics and then I'd be all for it.

You mean those countries that have hundreds of health care providers to choose from and not just one?
Hmmm

>You're just delusional if you think collusion and corruption wouldn't immediate re appear the second you establish a gov backed system

Its not relevant, other countries do it. If collusion and corruption is inevitable, its inevitable in their systems as well, and their costs are representative of the cost+collusion and corruption.

>I live in Canada
>Quebec
>Canada

our health numbers won't change with single payer, obesity and nig violence will still be there

>this is a lie
>assuming this is true
>this is true, am ashamed of this fact

Solution to health care in the US is to mandate that any and all insurance policies carry a minimum $5,000 deductible, adjusted for some very limited incentives such as preventive care and pregnancy. The reason why there's a problem to begin with is that people are so detached about the costs to provide health care. If people know that they have to make choices when they seek care, they'll be a lot less inclined to rush Dakota into the ER because hovermom saw a blemish on her face three weeks after walking down the peanut butter aisle with her and suspects the worst.

That's nuts, sorry dude hope you're better now.

>In exchange of being better then USA

What does that matter for the guy who's spending 10K a year on something he'll never use? By the time he retires at 65, he's spent 400K on it, and lost 10 times as much in potential investment interest to this. Imagine if he'd been able to personally save and invest this. He'd be able to pay for his own healthcare, and of a much higher quality and service than the months of wait time we get in Canada.

I once tripped and my knee bent 90 degrees forward. The wait time for an MRI scan was a full 4 months.

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Look at the stats, faggot. All the provinces fall without that 45 to 55% of their total budget on healthcare figure I posted. Quebec us currently around 51~52% if I remember right. Obviously on the higher end, because we spend like idiots.

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