I am genuinely confused on why leftists seem to be islam apologists...

I am genuinely confused on why leftists seem to be islam apologists. What are their arguments for defending a religion that contradicts seemingly every liberal value that they promote? Is it moral relativism? What truly blows my mind are the mental gymnastics they must undertake to believe that a hijab or burka is symbol of feminism. Help me understand this Sup Forums

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It turns out they agree with Sup Forums about the Jews, they plan to just support Muslims until they melt israel

Leftists love the worst in everything, with the only stipulation being that this holds true as lings as you're not white.

Leftists are bat shit fucking crazy. There are leftists who fucking belive that monopolies in Healthcare are good because they drive down prices overall and make healthcare better.

Because they want to use any tool at their disposal to undermine and destroy white society and the traditional family structure. Doublethink comes naturally to them hence the obvious contradiction in would be values washes over them

they're nothing more than useful idiots

Pic related is Taliban tho, not Islam
Burn those plastic bags

>What are their arguments for defending a religion that contradicts seemingly every liberal value that they promote?

That it doesn't really do so because don't you know words don't have any meaning and unless Muslims are in the process of cutting your head at this very moment it means that they're perfectly fine and even if they do cut your head off well then you probably provoked them and thus it's your fault.

Look, it's not much use to try and rationalize leftist's belief. They're your enemy plain and simple. They want to hurt you. That's pretty much the only thing you need to understand. They. Fucking. Hate. You.

In Iran they arrest over 2000 women a day for defying strict Islamic laws.

Islam will change, we will change it by aiding those who wish to see it changed.

1 reason only: Because it hurts White Christian civilization. No other reason. No complicated mental gymnastics. Islam destroys Christianity everywhere it goes, and Liberals hate Christianity because they promote family, morality, community, etc.

The left is not just "stupid" or "confused", they know exactly what they're doing. They're eroding the White Christian West by any means necessary, and their favorite tactic is breaking White People's spirits and corrupting them.

That's also why they love Blacked and immigration so much, the corruption and destruction of White Beauty and White Civilization.

Modern (((Leftists))) are just cultural marxists

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Leftists and Burka durka doos are both anti-west and find solidarity in whiny victimhood culture.

Leftists want to die and be submissive to non-white hands and the extreme mudslimes want to kill and enslave them.

I'd dare say they were made for one another.

>In an effort to silence critics of political Islam,
advocates needed to come up with terminology that would enable them to
portray themselves as victims. Muhammad said he was present when his
then- allies, meeting at the offices of the International Institute for
Islamic Thought (IIIT) in Northern Virginia years ago, coined the term
“Islamophobia.”

Muhammad said the Islamists decided to emulate the homosexual activists
who used the term “homophobia” to silence critics. He said the group meeting at IIIT saw “Islamophobia” as a way to “beat up their critics.”

found the cuck

The existence of radical Islam breaks their brains.

Leftists are supporting Islam for the same reason why RIghties are supporting gays. They want to trigger the other side,

Cultural Marxism means casting the most powerful group at the moment as the oppressor while everyone else are the oppressed. At the moment that identity is white, male.
When the whites are dead, next in line are the Jews or the Chinese. They'll destroy everything until there's only the lowest race/identity left, such that there is no more class or distinction.

>it's not real Islam guys!

This, if critcism is ever leveled against islam in front of a liberal they will invariably try to paint christainity as just as bad in the following sentence. Seriously this happens with every leftist i ever talked to.

>next in line are the Jews
Only if the beast they created, turns and eats them.

i`m leftist and i wish islam to dissapear soon.
Fucking stupid religion. And also, fucking jews sucking child penises, fundamentalism is degeneracy.

look southern-american brown thing, I know about the "this has nothing to do with Islam" but you gotta be retarded to deny the fact that burqa was made by Talibans

and other cunts thing the invisible hand would put down the prices, guess the fucking invisible hand is so fucking inside their assess it talks by them, like a fucking puppet

"A woman's right to be forced by their abusive Islamic husband to wear a black curtain over them every day is ... sacred!"

>mudslime family typically has 5+ kids everytime
>those will grow up voting democrat

really makes you think why they are pushing public opinion so they can mass import hundreds of thousands of rapefugees

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Doublethink to promote an anti-white male, anti-equality, anti-liberal agenda. Liberal in the traditional sense, not in the neo-liberal way the left currently uses the term.

I suspect a lefty believes all humans are good if given a chance. So any mentioned issues are just the person lacking said chance. Or as they would say:

Love trumps hate.

Any discussion against that is obviously racist or religionist.
But deeper down governments need people to replace the lack of babies to stop the economy collapse.
And the ones that will maintain population levels are the religious types. Those against contraception.
Problem solved.

The first time I saw one of these, I thought Death was walking down the street.

This. Leftists REALLY hate Jews but since they are too cowardly and feminine to gas the Jews themselves, they'll import Achmed to do it for them.

I've realized that the leftists ideology is just a means to an end and that end is authoritarian power.

So they will ally with Islam, the most authoritarian religion.

Another chance to post this essay!

>You can talk all you want about Islamophobia, but my friend’s “intelligent, reasoned, and thoughtful people” – her name for the Blue Tribe – can’t get together enough energy to really hate Osama, let alone Muslims in general. We understand that what he did was bad, but it didn’t anger us personally. When he died, we were able to very rationally apply our better nature and our Far Mode beliefs about how it’s never right to be happy about anyone else’s death.

>On the other hand, that same group absolutely loathed Thatcher. Most of us (though not all) can agree, if the question is posed explicitly, that Osama was a worse person than Thatcher. But in terms of actual gut feeling? Osama provokes a snap judgment of “flawed human being”, Thatcher a snap judgment of “scum”.

>I started this essay by pointing out that, despite what geographical and cultural distance would suggest, the Nazis’ outgroup was not the vastly different Japanese, but the almost-identical German Jews.

>And my hypothesis, stated plainly, is that if you’re part of the Blue Tribe, then your outgroup isn’t al-Qaeda, or Muslims, or blacks, or gays, or transpeople, or Jews, or atheists – it’s the Red Tribe.

- slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

TL;DR, For many left-leaning people, it's more important to fight nearby right-leaning people than to fight faraway Muslims. Because right-leaning people (in the West) tend to dislike Muslims, supporting those Muslims becomes a natural opposing position.

sometimes as a guy a thought comes to my mind: what if i converted to islam. Its pretty much everything left is not and id take shit ton of white wives :D

first of all,

>the enemy of my enemy is my friend

hence Reps hate Muslims that's why Dems love them so much.

also they think that they can retrain Muslims to retarded monkeys that will do the democratic parties bidding like they did with black people.

But the problem with Muslims is that they are a way bigger evil than an opposing party, because they will establish their own party after gathering enough of like minded individuals

The real but boring answer if they see them as useful idiots they can make vote for their various causes so they can get their power back in the United States, in Europe they vote for leftist causes as long as leftists look the other way toward the wife beating so the more the merrier.

Shit, I should have read all the posts, sorry.

It only works for brown people though. Women will see through your cuckdom and will not love you.

You could marry into some brown hooded chicks though.

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They aren't.

Lefties are stupid. They side with Islam because they know the right dont like Islam. They hate Jews because they see white people, not snakes that would see the entire planet enslaved if they had the means.

There's no such thing as leftist "principles" m8.

They just hate themselves but project it outwards slightly so that the hate their home culture.

They don't like Islam or really want to "apologize" for it. They just want to use the idea of it to flagellate themselves (i.e. their native culture)

>Love trumps hate.
I didn't knew dead people could trump something. Well unless you use them as puppets.

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classic case of "I like anything you don't like"

Republicans / Conservatives HATE anything that is not fundamentalist Christian. The tolerate jews because most of their Bible heroes were jews

So liberals love anything that's not Christian.

When Republicans / Conservatives started hating Islam, for the obvious legit reasons, the left jumped in front of the bullet because it gave them another chance at arguing and being general dumb asses.

Because they lack any sort of reasoning and are blind to irony.

Pretty easy. Globalist want islam in countries so they pay high ranking officials to influence policies like education. Many people these days really listen to authority because that's how the work force works, and that's how life for the majority works. Noone wants to search shit up because that's way too much effort. Hence why uncle and aunt ask you to fix your computer when you go on google and solve it in less than an hour. Thus with constant msm and people in authority telling stuff you end up with hivemind liberals.

This is probably why Sup Forums and other places could give two shits because everyone here are neets with too much time on our hands. We like to search shit up, we like to do things on our own. Thus when authority comes we question before accepting. When following guides to do handiwork I don't just follow one video, no I end up watching so much so I don't fuck up what I do. Whereas the majority of people would follow just one guide. This has dire consequences as for example that dude who bricked spanish people's 3ds because they followed his spanish guide and used his files that he gave him, causing thousands of spanish people losing their 3ds permanently.

Thus look at sources, discuss, put in effort. The truth will always shine brightly if you look for it. It may be hard but it is worth it.

>The left is not just "stupid" or "confused", they know exactly what they're doing.

Wrong. They are just useful idiots who fell for the jewish scheme of cultural marxism pic related

Dems are haram as fuck

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I like to think about how the reddit usa leftist complain about the christians of usa and how the muslims will be about the same values but much worse

>What are their arguments

left = anti white men
islam = eternal enemy of white men

go figure

Racewar now. Gas the Muslims!

leftists should be purged together with them

Saudi allies. Stop thinking ideology isn't propaganda for autists

Because it's a brown people religion. They like to say 'but look at all the bad things Christianity says in the bible' ignoring the fact that no Christians practice in that level of extremism. White men should convert to Islam on mas just to watch sjws heads explode.

Because they're both anti west and anti white, so seeing as that's the lefty's primary goal this decade that's who they're siding with

Ahmed knows his shit

Niqab is much different

stupid Talibans :^) don't even know real Islam

>Only if the beast they created, turns and eats them.
it's already starting, albeit slowly. you can see it in france, where jews are emigrating to israel in huge numbers because the huge increase in muslims has created a huge increase in antisemitism.

muslims dislike christians and atheists, but they absolutely despise and hate jews with a passion.

The reason is that the muslims are a convenient source of votes, and are useful to do physical violence against their eternal enemy, white men. Furthermore, if leftists acknowledged the problems with Islam, then they would strengthen the hand of white nationalists, which is the last thing the left wants. They will continue this insane racket until the Muslims kick them out of the seats of power.

Disagreed. You don't have to be a 200lbs farting neet in order to proceed through life with great planning and caution.

I don't exactly know the definite meaning of "neet" but I would say my social life is above your average bob and I'm constantly busy with Law school yet I still question government indoctrination and 3rd world invasion, this trend of paranoid neets needs to end for labeling people who question authority as neckbeards or something dumb.

Scott Alexander is outright stealing his point of view from Moldbug and other Nrx bloggers.

Liberals dont hate jews, they hate zionists

Its about time pol had a discussion and did research on reform Judaism in the US, which originated in Prussia/Germany in the 19th century, and then took root in NYC and Chicago in the early 20th century

In short It was associated with abolitionism and equal rights for blacks and women in the US, and had a fallomg out with other jewish sects

Pol , for all its suppossed understanding of jews, knows jack shit about actual jewish history

there are so many stupid answers in this thread, the simple answer is multiculturalism which is the belief that all cultures and cultural practices are equal, they must defend islam for multiculturalism to succeed
now we can take one extreme example of different cultures in other countries that shouldn't directly affect leftists
>spanish murder of bulls for sport
>islamic murder of gays for religion
leftists strongly oppose one and turn a blind eye to the other, why is that?
because one can be changed and one cant
they know eventually the spanish will give up bullfighting because the spanish are civilised people who bow down to peer pressure, they can keep attacking it and eventually succeed leading to good feelings and pats on the back
they also know the muslims will never bow down to western moral lecturing and it will probably just strengthen the muslims resolve to keep doing it, that doesn't lead to good feelings does it?
muslims in the west are much the same, they will never change because of leftist activism, but they can make others in the west stop criticizing the Muslims and even better that lines up with multiculturalism so they do that instead, good feelings all around when they can 'make a difference' by voting for a muslim apologist politician etc
its all just down to doing whatever is easiest for them and getting that pat on the back

>import millions of subhuman mud slimes to your country
>your country becomes jihad land in the process
>"h-hey guys, at least we showed those jews how serious we are! r-right?"
No, kill yourself, shill.

Globalists are the one who WANT to unite Europe, but they cant because nations are too different to be one state, too many cultures, languages and conflicting histories. Thats why they need to erase your nations to the level of amorphous multicultural shithole without a shred of national identity. That way theres no national or ethnic unity, no history and no pride. Then they can unite you, make you easily controlled, eventually take away everything that makes you German, or French, or Dutch and then precede to rule over you and make money on perfect thoughtless, spineless consumers in sanitized corporate environment, you will become perfect sheeple.

But it seems to me that no ethnic European can sleep soundly if he isn't contributing to destruction of everything that made Europe great.

they just hate the west and want top bitch about "whatever" place and circumstance they live in.... its all recreational outrage from a spoiled generation with too much time on their hands. If any of those fags ever actually went to the middle east they'd be enriched so fucking fast they'd never bitch in west ever again.

The US also has the first amendment and the bill of rights

Its a giant shit test to force a rewriting of the entire constitution on the lefts terms of conditions

That is why they denounce the founders so much

America was founded on judeo christian values, the system of government and constitution was meant for an intelligent and moral populus

shut the fuck up you pathetic worm

Sweden yes.

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Because they were never about freedom, separation of church/state, women/minority/gay rights or any of that other nonsense. The Left at its refined and central core is about destroying the culture or moral if you will of the White man so that the Jews can enslave us. The Frankfort School was created to figure out why Communism never took hold in the West the way it did in Russia. The reason they concluded was that White cultures provided happiness to White people and therefore had to be destroyed from within.

>paranoid neets
yeah there's totally no reason to worry about your country openly being gifted to literal strangers who despise the cultural foundations of the country itself.

Also majority =/= your own experiences. The exception is not the norm. This should be explicity known. You're on fucking pol with that weakass argument.

>the exception is not the norm
Everything I said you can easily see being said on 4chins. I can't count how many times people have posted can how can I do X. When they can fucking google it. Let alone sauce on pics when they can search it on google.

KYS.

lol this is so clown

youtube.com/watch?v=hhkRQUtD_Jo

Bro, I hope ur willing to risk your life for the people you love. Its time to take back our cities

youtube.com/watch?v=hhkRQUtD_Jo

instagram.com/p/BQOOPXDDdMd/

Also can I figure out what the fuck you're disagreeing about? Just the part about the meme neets or my whole fucking argument. Hell you're supporting argument.

reminder that socialists are destroying ISIS in Syria whilst you say leftist aren't combatting Islamism

Every leftist I've ever talked to thinks christianity is a FAR greater threat to peace than islam.
All they really care about is the diminishing of christianity, and what better way to do that than to adopt a new religion?

Leftists still want to overthrow Assad who is helping kill isis...

>socialists
Are you talking about the YPG? the YPG who goes around with antifa flags, the same antifa who support mass immigration all through Europe?

Not really m8. Some dumb liberals maybe but most leftists are anti regime change.

>no competition
>you define the market value of each healthcare service
>"Let's make it really cheap and accessible so we can't make a profit!"

Yeah, nah

George soros and friends and the untouchable obama and hillsry clingon

You are naive as fuck or a shill for (((them))) pulling some interesting mental gymnastics

>most leftists are anti regime change
how much do you get paid to shill on the internet?

you do realise Baathism is a left wing ideology too you retards? You will not find any serious leftist organisations outside Trotskyists who support regime change.

they want to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt... But they ignore the horrors of the culture that comes forth from Islam.

Just what i was thinking. Liberal Millennials have been conditioned since youth to resent White civilization for being ""racist"" and ""intolerant"".
They dont love islam. They hate Christianity
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>You will not find any serious leftist organisations outside Trotskyists who support regime change.
top fucking kek how new are you? welcome to Sup Forums now get the fuck out.

google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=ypg antifa&tbs=imgo:1

For all of the last century up until about 1980, leftists were intensely dedicated to armed revolution, "liquidating" (killing) the "bourgeoisie" and the "capitalists", toppling society, killing all the religious people, and overall just dreamt of the screaming ecstasy of mass murder.

You have probably heard of Utoya, where Breivik killed? Both the current NATO chief Stoltenberg and the guy who gave the peace prize to Obama came from there. They used to sing a song which went like this:

WE WILL FILL OUR BATHTUBS WITH YOUNG RIGHT'S BLOOD
WE WILL FILL OUR BATHTUBS WITH YOUNG RIGHT'S BLOOD
WE WILL FILL OUR BATHTUBS WITH YOUNG RIGHT'S BLOOD
WHEN THE RED REVOLUTION COMES! YES IT COMES!

So.... you don't quite get it because nobody has shown you how intensely they hated the West. They wanted a Soviet-style and Mao-style cleansing, eradicating, mass murder, totalitarian complete reordering of all of society.

And these leftists didn't just die. They did this 30-40 years ago and are very much around still. They went into the media, into politics and education.

You can kind of see it here: youtube.com/watch?v=USORHBUmN4k

All of the objects of hatred were precisely the same as today. White people, men, capitalists, rich people, those against immigration. They were in favor of a one-world government, mass migration. "Imagine there's no borders" etc.

When you HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE the West

And HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE white people

And HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Christianity

And HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE the West

And HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Capitalism

Then Islam is awesome. Muslim immigration is awesome. It's literally the fucking best, better than anything.

These people aren't really liberals. JS Mill would horrify them irl to the extent they would probably spit in his face, and call him an oppressor.
The whole sjw thing is just code for marxist authoritarianism disguised as tolerance anyway. These people are useful idiots, nothing more. They don't know how to think, and hence don't know how to argue. This is why they try and shut down any opposing viewpoint with autistic screeching. They like Islam because it is identical to their true (secret) mindset. One of an absolute power base, where everything is decided by vague emotional finger pointing and infantile tantrums. Every parent knows to ignore these, but when you see an adult doing it, there is a tendency for rational people to think "well...there must be something wrong with what I'm saying/doing, because otherwise why would these people be shouting at me?"
People forget that it's possible for physically mature people to be emotional and mental infants. People forget that it is possible for people to appear normal, but actually be mentally unbalanced.
I blame a too free society. It is natural for youth to be rebellious, but we have created an almost perfect society, where there is nothing to complain about. So they invent nonsense and imaginary things to rebel against. I'd rather talk to youngsters who are saying "we are rebelling against the freedoms of our parents with a drift towards far right politics". At least they are rebelling in the right direction, though (being youngsters) will probably take it too far.
When you factor in the desire to have a more"representative" student base at Uni's, you have a recipe for disaster. Most of these snowflakes shouldn't even be at Harvard or Cornell. They don't belong there.

Oh yeah:

>seemingly every liberal value

What "liberal values" were there in any socialist country in the world?

Freedom of speech?

Freedom of assembly and thought?

Freedom of publication?

"Liberal values" isn't a thing for leftists. It was never a thing. It's a pretext and a piece of clothing they put on when useful.

Nice trash bag

Reform judaism

The answers are in part there

The other is india and the hippies

Liberals dont think it is literally that simple

Leftists are authoritarians at heart. All their moral preening and virtue signalling has one single goal: to make everyone else submit to their direct, personal control.

Islam is the time-tested method of achieving this, maximum suppression with minimal effort. Even the name of the religion means "submission" in Arabic.

Because it's against the White Right. Anything that even remotely goes against that they see as their allies and they feel if they get this other "minority" group some rights then they get them by default as well.
>Islam
Hates women and gays would glady go full isis on them
>Blacks
Hate white women and gays. Would gladly go dinadu on them.
>Latins
Hate everything that isn't their specific latin country of origin. Gladly go cartel on them.
>Gays
Already have gay males kicked out of the special treatment club. Gays and lesbians don't like trannys and nobody likes qx+.

All the while leftist sjws off condescending and entitled and at best annoy the people they're trying to help because deep down they think they're better than everyone who isn't them.

Look at the blm fuck white women attitude that came on strong after Trump won.

They have almost no real allies and are desperate to be accepted by anybody so they attach themselves to anyone they see and then try to claim to be their saviors.

Best part of that pic is that is what western leftest think a hijab is. Just a cute head scarf.

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