Do people publicly praise democracy because they genuinely believe it's a viable system, or because they fear being demonized for disagreeing with a system that favors the lowest common denominator of civilization no matter how retarded?
Why should a NEET that plays video games and masturbates to porn all day have as much of a say in the direction a country should take as a graduate degree holding working professional that works 50 hours a week and raises a family?
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Most average folk can't even give you a good reason for why democracy is "good."
The truth is that egalitarianism is something that looks good on paper but shits the bed in practice.
You're essentially giving power to the retarded mobs.
The retarded mobs that don't know anything about how financial markets work. That don't know about equities or bonds or forex or even the stock market.
The retarded mobs that think borders and national security are racist
The retarded mobs who get all their "information" from Facebook memes and bandwagon political opinions.
>Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else.
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>>Why should a NEET that plays video games and masturbates to porn all day have as much of a say in the direction a country should take as a graduate degree holding working professional that works 50 hours a week and raises a family?
Because they're both equally affected by what the government does, idiot.
this. people think its good because theyve been told its good. they neither know or care about its faults because "equality"
While you do have a point its fairly obvious at this point that A) Not everyone knows what best for their country let alone themselves and B) there are a great deal of people who simply take up ideologies and ideas simply because they either don't care to form their own or are too stupid to.
Democracy is a wonderful system when it's in place in a nation where personal strength is not only championed but highly encouraged (or enforced, for that little bit of irony). Smaller nations can also benefit from the system greatly as they would be closer to a tight-knit community than the US for example. The US is just too big and just too diverse for honest Democracy to function properly. You can't split 350,000,000 people down the middle and expect Side A or Side B is going to be 100% fair losers, which, although I believe it's being overblown a bit, is exactly whats happening since Trump got elected, before even.
>the government taxes a NEET as much as someone who works fifty hours a week
Yeah the government takes from the guy with a job and gives to the NEET.
If government wasn't involved, it would be theft.
Every political system is vulnerable to abuse and corruption. From monarchies to communist states. In the end they're all lies we tell ourselves to keep advanced civilization from collapsing.
Democracy is the system of the west because of our heritage. When the west falls it might be replaced by something else or the son will keep to the ideals of the father. Bitching about its faults and failings on a mongolian throat singing BBS isnt really worth the effort unless you're drunk or a retarded anarchist
Every group usually votes in its own interests. With no voting restrictions the poor dominate the system by way of laws passed to their short term benefit, too many restrictions and the rich dominate the system same way(like the trainwreck of the late roman republic). The trick is to set it up so that the largest voting block is middle class white men, ie the ones that just want the government to stay as small as possible
The heritage of the West is monarchy and empire. "Democracy" is a meme founded on classicist idealist notions of Ancient Athens and the Roman Republic. They forget that Athens went through several periods of monarchy and tyranny before the "democratic" system was finally conquered by the Romans, whose own republic was far less egalitarian than these classicists might have you believe. The Romans themselves eventually adopted empire as a means to end the vicious political rivalries to which their nominally-democratic system had given birth.
The "democracy is Western" meme only arose from the American and French revolutions, and look where it has gotten us now. Europeans are being systematically replaced as a demographic in order to commandeer democracy and turn it against us.
Democracy is the central cause of the present deterioration of the West.
Democracy is retarded. Meritocracy is where it's at.
The American and French revolutions are part of our heritage, even if they're relatively recently on the large scale. Is nationalism not a part of our heritage because they're also recent?
What's the point of having democracy, then? What if public opinion is susceptible to manipulation, and the middle class begins to vote against its own interests? What if they elect representatives who then vote to open the gates to flood the nation with millions of barbarian immigrants?
No, the "trick" is to set up a non-democratic government that protects private property rights and European populations and their heritage without fail.
History has shown that republics are the best form of government
>ignoring the point
>the post
Obviously not that poster but god youre dense. The point is that civilizations which adopt democracy crumble, and were far more stable under less democratic systems.
You're trying to argue that I dismiss democracy on the basis of its "recentness." You miss the point entirely.
Yes, the revolutions are part of our heritage, but can we not objectively examine the damage democracy has caused since? Why have European populations been in decline, and why has European heritage been under siege, since the advent of contemporary democracy?
In 1960, the US was almost 90% white. Now it's just over 50%. Why is that? Could it be that our elected leaders decided to betray the very demographic that made liberal democracy possible in the first place? Why are public celebrations of European heritage vilified and attacked, but marches for the Islamization of Europe are tolerated?
The French Revolution should be reversed. It was a grave mistake.
>Why should a NEET that plays video games and masturbates to porn all day have as much of a say in the direction a country should take as a graduate degree holding working professional that works 50 hours a week and raises a family?
thats why the US is a republic you dumb nigger.
they are the lowest common denominator
I knew that moron I was defending my own post from the first part of his post that said that the wests heritage was only monarchism, implying that democracy isn't.
Because democracy was corrupted like every political system inevitably is. America didnt form in the 1960s, saying that 'democracy is bad because in the past 40 years of America's centuries long history people have ruined democracy' is stupid.
Because I'd rather not have to go to war in France because German Monarch wants a piece of Spain
You can make an argument for WHO should be allowed to vote, or what for of Democracy or Republic is best. But an unelected political/monarchic elite will always screw you over
>Because they're both equally affected by what the government does, idiot.
>equally
lol no
>thats why the US is a republic you dumb nigger.
but legislators are elected by majority vote
Egalitarianism in democracy sucks.
My vote should have twice the value.
Retarded guy's vot should have half the value.
Fuck uneducated rednecks and dumb feminists.
Right to vote should be earned, just like everything else.
I actually think that's because Democracy+Captalism created good times which raised week people who think that being misgendered is as bad as starving or being pierced by a spear.
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the US had the same political system since the late 1800's? Back then, the US South wasn't TOO different from Mexico as far as living standards are concerned, so Mexicans didn't have as much an incentive to immigrate(invade)
Looking back before 1960, why the native Anglo Protestant population react against the increasing tides of Irish and Germanic Catholic immigrants in the mid-19th century? What about the Italians and Slavs who came later?
What did the originial Indian natives do when they realized they were being colonized and outbred? Do you think they have a vote on whether or not to save their culture and homeland?
Because democracy sucks the least. Any other way to determine who has power will be shitty for the regular people. Democracy is the least corruptible.
Good point. Correct me if I'm wrong but in Ancient Greece, only white male landowners could vote. Also, every year the worst performing/least popular politician lost their job (may have even been exile, not sure).
>Democracy with higher standards
Maybe it was never meant to give the plebs a voice.
How is this even a rebuttal of democracy? As long as the representatives elected actually do their fucking job and a nations borders are protected its not a problem.
That is why "democracy+capitalism" must come to an end, one way or the other. Democracy and private property rights are essentially incompatible because mob rule inevitably negates individual liberty.
In the late 1800s, living standards were pretty much the same everywhere except in the largest cities, so yes, you are correct on that point. Both the US and Mexico are still democracies to this day, so why do Mexicans flee Mexico to live in the US? Why is our democracy seen as better than theirs?
So why did/do the politicians not do their jobs and protect the border? Who told the voters to elect people who refuse to do their jobs?
absolutely, let's take a huge population of infinitely complex human beings, most of whom, out of no fault of their own, have not yet realized anything close to their full potential, and judge them based on how well they perform simple tasks and make petty, materialistic contributions to society. sounds like a utopia for people without minds or souls
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HUMAN ADVANCEMENT WAS WAY BETTER IN THE FUCKING DARK AGES WHEN EUROPE WAS RULED BY FUCKING GERMANS AND EUROPE TOTALLY DIDNT LANGUISH FOR 1000 YEARS IN SUPERSTITION, BRUTALITY, AND AUTOCRACY. AND THE ENLIGHTENMENT NATIONS TOTALLY DIDNT PROVE THEMSELVES SUPERIOR TO THE AUTOCRATIC ONES IN DOZENS OF WARS AND DEMOCRACY TOTALY DIDNT SPREAD ACROSS THE GLOBE. AND HUMAN WELL BEING TOTALLY DIDNT ADVANCE AT THE GREATEST RATE IN HISTORY BECAUSE:
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Propaganda, lies, stupidity and indoctrination. Like I said democracy is just another system and every system is corruptible. That doesnt make it inferior. Rome was a fucking empire when it fell due to, among other things, rampant barbarian immigration, are you going to blame democracy on that?
And it is not just the physical border than must be protected, but the people within it. Why should it be acceptable for foreigners to squat in our lands without paying taxes or adhering to our laws and customs while our governments subsidize their existence as our own citizens struggle against poverty and unemployment?
No one posting here is old enough to vote so their opinions don't matter
Oh, so you're saying that if the people vote for rampant barbarian immigration, it is superior to monarchy?
Rome fell for a number of reasons. The barbarian invasions were a symptom of the dysfunction within the empire, not a cause.
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They praise it because everyone else praises it. In reality, it's just as shit as any other system because masses are just as easily swayed as individuals. Whether you have one king or one million kings the end result is the same.
No I'm saying that every system fucks up. I'm not saying one is superior to the other, I'm saying they'll all ruin themselves inevitably. There is no utopian system or million year empire outside of 4x games
Cap fag.
I heard they're like hackers on steroids
>every group votes in its own interests
The retards in the USA prove you wrong
USA is a Constitutional Republic, a democracy.
So I guess the dumb-ass you talking about is YOU.
If you can find a flaw in the system so you impress people but if they're not impressed they're greedy don't forget to inform people about the flaw so get the girl or guy that values your intelligence because to some people with intelligence is attractive the ones that don't I think it is are bad people
Ah, so you're just a defeast, possibly even a nihilist.
So tell me, why should anyone care for such opinions as yours if you say, as you do, that defeat is inevitable?
It is the individual that is flawed not based on characteristics but based in the mind so show him the proof if he's not convinced by proof where is he getting his from
This.
You could take the smartest people in the world and manage to make Anarchy work. (But they'd fuckin' stop because it's too much effort)
You could take the dumbest people on the entire planet with an idiot-proof system and they'd still fuck it up; they just don't use it and say "fuck you" and then you end up with african countries.
>republic always equals democracy
Hilarious. It's like you don't even know that the only people allowed to vote according to the original Constitution were wealthy white landowners.
I agree that democracy makes no sense as often the majority are wrong. Still, if only the educated were allowed to vote as you suggested, trump would not have even made it through the primaries. Which i guess sounds more like there is a problem with the education system than with selective voting rights
>USA is a Constitutional Republic, a democracy.
The US is literally not a democracy. So the only dumb-ass here is you.
Defeat IS inevitable. Everyone dies, everything ends, thats not defeatism thats accepting a fact.
That doesnt mean you stop trying it means you accept that inevitably when you're long gone whatever you made, whatever honorable intentions or genius guided you, it will all be corrupted and destroyed by the generations who come after you that lack the experience and comprehension that drove you.
Meritocracy
>perform simple tasks
>make petty, materialistic contributions to society
>utopia for people without minds or souls
I don't think that's what he meant dude. In fact, you have just described the wage slave existence in a modern democracy, where men's lives are about as meaningful as a dirty dead dingoes dick.
>accepting defeat isn't defeatism
Okay, kid, time for your nap.
Defeatism is the acceptance of defeat without a struggle against it. Accepting defeat while still looking to create something or make a meaning in your life is realism.
There's more than one way to teach a person it requires an experiment
Anyone can experiment if you tell them how if you don't tell them how everything works you show them fact every time there's a technological advances it's because a lot of people were or at least remotely not everyone knows how to check and do it for themselves so you have to show them by having them do it with you but you have to keep it simple do it slow for the simple people because people are simple and complicated Simplicity is moderation
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive (((treason from within))). An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the (((traitor))) moves amongst those within the gate freely, (((his))) sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the (((traitor))) appears not a traitor; (((he))) speaks in accents familiar to (((his))) victims, and (((he))) wears their face and their arguments, (((he))) appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. (((He))) rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, (((he))) infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
It always comes back to the Jews somehow.
Your caps lock is on m8
>technological advances and higher standards of living are due to democracy
Are you sure burgerbro? Not being a smartass. Empires make alot of advances too. The Nazis made incredible advances (they were ahead of the west going by the patents discovered at the end of the war and remember, the SS basically became NASA), and they were anything but democratic.
That is fucking retarded. If i were fuhrer i would have you shot for spreading such a destructive world view. And long after i had died, and my reign as fuhrer had become but a footnote in history, the act of killing you would still have been just as effective as it was when it was carried out, for it would have permanently stopped you from spreading filthy nihilism
Maybe he's a realist you dumb yank.
Name one empire or political system that has never failed or eventually fallen. I'll wait.
Democracy is the most retarded political system ever made, both in its theory and in practice.
Distribution of obligation. If everybody have the same blame then no one is at blame. Not pretty, but hey, at least schlomo gets a free pass if he messes up.
>Do people publicly praise democracy because they genuinely believe it's a viable system
almost everyone falls into this category
>or because they fear being demonized for disagreeing with a system
some highschoolers fall into this category
You really have no fucking idea what nihilism is do you son? Nihilists think life is meaningless and thus do nothing and care about nothing. Did you miss the part of my post that said;
>That doesnt mean you stop trying
Life ends. Its up to you to make it worth something while its still going on. And thats all kinds of ironic considering I'm spending my day off here..
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Defeat is not the word, it's impermanence. And you are 100% right.
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Reminder democracy is essentially biggest political system of group think and that multiculturalism mixed with democracy is not possible as you have to sacrifice your culture when accepting foreigners as people who have equal say as natives, rendering their culture as equal as the native's in the face of democratic process.
Democracy subsumes the power and spirit of self.
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This Sven knows where it's at.
the only systems that matter are Democratic Republic's like the USA, or Anarchy in the form of an empire run by those who truly love humanity rather than evil dictators which is 99.999% impossible without hyper advanced technology aiding in that. a Democratic Republic however needs to believe in manifest destiny or similar, otherwise they won't conquer their species and unfortunately political correctness or politicians in general deter patriotism that enables the citizens' lust for war so we need dirty tactics like false flagging, scapegoats etc. to instigate a war the citizens can get behind. to lead humanity is to allow a modicum of corruption in your government, but it is up to how much those at the top love their country, or in the wider scale how much they love humanity which determines whether they control that corruption or let it loose. no other system beside those will prove fruition for our species
>Sven
Nah he's most likely named Mohammed
I don't know, he didn't call for a caliphate.
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So what was your intention in telling us that everything we do will one day be undone? It really cannot be anything other than an attempt at making people apathetic when they're considering the future of their race and civilization. This is the sort of thing i would expect from a jew
Because I think the truth is important. If you're so weak as to become apathetic from the truth you don't deserve shit. Isn't this the board that prides itself on the redpill?
>the only systems that matter
According to what, your opinion? Certainly not history.
>Anarchy
Oh dear...
>empire that loves humanity
Wew lad
Listen m8, loving humanity is not human nature. It's an ideal. It's also not a practical political system or approach. Honestly you sound a bit like a kumbiyah lefty, but I think you mean well and are just a bit too idealistic. Like I used to be.
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>Why should a NEET that plays video games and masturbates to porn all day have as much of a say in the direction a country should take as a graduate degree holding working professional that works 50 hours a week and raises a family?
Because the NEET is not a cuck desu~!
Who the fuck said we had a democracy in the first place?
>lmfao
Don't worry m8, this is pol. We know!
The fault doesn't lie in the retarded mobs presence but the fact they are willingly uneducated, or worse, willingly accept information from biased sources that conforms to their biases.
W. HUGHES, Prime Minister of Australia, Saturday Evening Post, June 19, 1919 “The Montefiores have taken Australia for their own, and there is not a gold field or a sheep run from Tasmania to New South Wales that does not pay them a heavy tribute. They are the real owners of the antipodean continent. What is the good of our being a wealthy nation, if the wealth is all in the hands of German Jews?”
If the original conditions needed to vote were still in place we would have none of the decay we see today.
>white
>male
>owns property (not poor, likely not stupid)
>18yo cant vote
It wasnt about the lowest common denominator voting money into their pockets and making retard tier decisions based on sentiment. Our founders recognized that allowing low iq races, women, and the poor to vote would lead to exactly the problems we have today. Though it could be said that even if their system seemed great, if it could evolve into this so easily perhaps it isnt so great.
>idealistic
we have computers. let that sink it friendo, if you're even able to understand what this feat compared to riding on horses just decades before implies. humanity's tech level advancements are nothing to scoff at, and the course our technology takes us must lead toward global unification or we will all die either through an asteroid, volcano, or earthquake crisis. in the larger scope of our solar system we have a dying sun to worry about, for the epic scope of the galaxy we have a supermassive black hole to worry about, and for endgame we have the gravity of all supermassive black holes to deal with. NOTHING will be accomplished in our lifetime, only helping aid the single next step for the constantly refreshed generations and what I described prior must be our goal lest our history be for nothing.
the love for your people inspired Nazi Germany, you absolutely cannot deny their glorious fervor that shook the civilized world, so don't talk shit about ideals having no place in politics you small minded edgy cunt
It was only the citzens allowed to vote. You were only giving citzenship of were you were born (só a spartan would never vote in athens, unless be made something to gain the citzenship)
America was an ancient-Greek style limited democracy (restrictions on voting based on land ownership and social class) until VERY recently, not the hyper inclusive mass democracy espoused by European radicals
You seem to know plenty about the international Jews, but have you ever looked at the Jew within you?
It was the Nazis who faked the moon landings.
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Feels bad man
It's equality meme. The leftist want a leviathan political system to ensure equal treatment and outcome regardless of merit.
Democracy is a means to that end.
>Do people publicly praise democracy because they genuinely believe it's a viable system,
It's the best system in the world.
>Why should a NEET that plays video games and masturbates to porn all day have as much of a say in the direction a country should take as a graduate degree holding working professional that works 50 hours a week and raises a family?
Because that NEET is also a member of the same state that the working professional. The NEET will hopeful one day also be a working professional. Also if a war breaks out the NEET will be drafted way before the working professional and should have some say in whether or not he goes to war.
>Most average folk can't even give you a good reason for why democracy is "good."
You haven't offered a reason why it's bad.
>The truth is that egalitarianism is something that looks good on paper but shits the bed in practice.
Egalitarianism is the only reason why you aren't a slave right now.
>You're essentially giving power to the retarded mobs.
This is why the United States lives in a Democratic Republic.
>The retarded mobs that don't know anything about how financial markets work. That don't know about equities or bonds or forex or even the stock market.
Neither do you.
>The retarded mobs that think borders and national security are racist
>The retarded mobs who get all their "information" from Facebook memes and bandwagon political opinions.
And that's better then getting all your information from Sup Forums which is filled with bandwagon political opinions.
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He meant to say, "USA is a Constitutional Republic NOT a democracy.
Like I once called a person of color a NIGGER.
Forgot a part.
>The retarded mobs that think borders and national security are racist
Big business loves immigration especially illegal immigration.
>if a war breaks out the NEET will be drafted way before the working professional and should have some say in whether or not he goes to war
I haven't seen a shittier opinion in a long time. The NEET will have no idea if the army needs more troops in times of war and is unqualified to have a say in whether he should be conscripted or not.
I do care about the truth, but talking about the eventual inevitable failure of everything we achieve is an unnecessary black pill and very counterproductive to any political discussion. You never did say what your intention was either, quite sure you are a jew here to throw a spanner in the works of the goyim uprising