Capitalism created more poor people than communism

Capitalism created more poor people than communism.

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>commies unironically think this is true

Communism killed them instead.

False.

Actually false

And you should kill yourself if you vote for Macron

Came here to post this 30 million dead under Stalin alone, not to mention Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Sage in all fields

>source: my ass

In communists experiments everyone is just poor (except for the ruling elite) so in the end nobody is poor.

>>commies unironically think this is true
the reds never saw our supermarkets.

SAGE

>implying capitalism or communism ever killed anyone

In either system people can exploit others for their own gain

Actually, the war against poverty and equality created more poor people than either did. Anytime the government gets involved you can bet everyone loses.

With capitalism you get at least 1 rich person. So no, it really hasn't.

u cant be poor if your dead aye comrade

Unregulated capitalism keyword unregulated

its pretty hard to be poor when you are dead instead

Sage

True dat.

You don't create poor people or poverty, they are the default nature of humanity on this planet. What needs to be done is the implementation of a system to create wealth, and capitalism has a good track record of doing so compared to communism.

Kek
Nice one kiwibro.

False on so many levels.
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY

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Communism created more starved people than capitalism.

the second opinion posted here is indeed the best opinion posted here.

Yeah, but those under communism didn't have a choice.

so someone has read thomas sowell
good

99.9% of Americans own a fridge
95% own a car
85% own a computer (2014)

>>erase the ability to evaluate wealth
>hey, looks like we solved poverty!
communism, not even once.

Sowell is a monetarist shill. Decent otherwise.

honest question. How exactly does communism lead to starvation?

Removal of incentive to work.
>Why work when the state will give you free things?
This kind of thinking only works until there are more unproductive leeches than there are productive members of society

You're right, dead people can't be poor.

Communism doesn't give handouts. You need to be working in a government sweatshop for your "free" communist housing and lack of food.

yeah because the definition of being poor in a communist dictatorship is being either dead or having literally nothing.
So yeah by that logic the poor people created by capitalism outweighs the dead and ultra impoverished created by communism only just

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okay, you can now build your case, we are now more than 30 posts into the thread, time to provide your arguments

>thinking capitalism is a zero sum game
>third month of current year

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Capitalism doesn't create poverty. The stupid and lazy do. Anyone can be a millionaire in a capitalist system if you have the knowledge and ambition

Why aren't you a millionaire then?

Because he clearly lacks the knowledge and ambition? I can't speak for other anons but I'm comfy with my middle class life.

Comunism simply got rid of the quickier so you didn't notice them

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sage

>Anyone can be a millionaire in a capitalist system
Not quite. For every one successful business that you see, there are 5 failed ones that you don't see. Connections and luck are just as important as knowledge, skill, and ambition. In some cases more.

More accurately, anyone can have a comfortable life in a capitalist system if they have the knowledge and ambition.

The real redpill is that globalism/interventionism has caused more deaths than any ideology in existence.

>Capitalism doesn't create poverty

Poverty is a structural feature of Capitalism. Capitalism cannot function without poor people to do the shitty jobs.

Not everyone can be rich, not everyone can be middle class in a Capitalist society. If everyone worked hard there would still be millions of poor people.

You can swallow this red pill, if you like. I suspect you won't. Pussy.

Sage goes in all fields

Niggers created more poor people than both combined.

> globalism/interventionism

It's called "Neoliberalism". Globaization is the result of Neoliberal economic polices.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Umm...no.

Communism industrialized the majority of the planet. It lifted the majority of the population out of rural poverty.

These are just facts.

Globalization and globalism are completely different things you mong.

The former is merely the exchange of resources and specialization of labor across the world, as a result of an uneven distribution of both. Importing bananas from Mexico instead of growing them in Iceland, type of thing.

The latter is the destruction of national, cultural, and enthnic boundaries, coupled with rabid egalitarianism, with the ultimate intent on forming a single authority with which to govern the planet.

>It lifted the majority of the population out of rural poverty.
Ahahaha. That's why the rural populations of the USSR and China were so well off under communism, right?

>Globalization and globalism are completely different things you mong.

"Globalization" is the result of Neoliberal economics. Neoliberalism is a project to co-ordinate the disperate regions of the World into "One Market Under God".

This is what NAFTA, TTIP, etc, etc, are all about. It's the creation of a single global free trade zone.

Neoliberalism is an attempt to facilitate the free movement of capital, products and people. These are the three pillars of the "free market".

This will require the destruction of the Nation State and national borders. It's why our cities are overrun by niggers.

I've just given you the red pill. It's up to you if you want to swallow...

>These are the three pillars of the "free market"
You're forgetting the absolute private ownership of property, which. Don't blame the free market for the garbage you see today, blame governments for destroying property rights and pushing their kike agendas.

*which doesn't exist anywhere.

>heads I win, tails you lose.

I've given you the truth.

It's up to you how you deal with it.

>communist bullshit
>the truth
Ok.

>Communist

Neoliberalism isn't "Communism". It's a form of market Capitalism.

Neoliberals have been in power since the early '80s, they took control during Reagan's Presidency and have been calling the shots ever since.

>free market requires trade agreements
kys

and no. it does not require the destruction of nation states. it requires the deconatruction of government itself, and of course the welfare state.

That's what I'm saying, it sounds as though you're rejecting market capitalism outright. Or have I misunderstood?

Yes, a better quality of poverty where the poorest of the poor could still afford food shelter and a tv with the liberty to bitch about it.

Communism created a starving middle class too terrified to complain.

> it sounds as though you're rejecting market capitalism outright

Do you want your country overrun by niggers?

That's what the "free market" offers.

Impressive bait. It received 63 replies. 5/10.

socialism requires the initiation of the use of force, thus it is evil.

it is very simple. or you can take the consequentionalist route and wait for the 56788th state to fail because of socialism, then scratch your neanderthal eyebrows and ponder why socialism just doesnt seem to work out.

No. The free market offers every property owner to dictate what goes on in their domain. If you think free markets would result in niggers overrunning anything, rather than being immediately liquidated as soon as they threatened someone or their property, you have a very poor understanding of the subject.

spbp

>t. ahmed
go back to pakistan, faggot.

>No. The free market offers every property owner to dictate what goes on in their domain.

If the market attracts niggers to compete for jobs in your country or region. there's nothing you can do.

The market has spoken.

Our cities are full of niggers because they do jobs for less money, it's that simple. The market doesn't care about skin colour, nor, culture.

People were rich before capitalism, and capitalism made them poor?

>what is automation
>what is welfare
What about achieving a better society over time rather than just killing a lot of people and hoping the problems go away too

>Communism
>not American consumers who are so stupid rich off capitalism that they buy any plastic piece of crap china can make

Capitalism created more rich people than communism.

>racist Foucault lover
Why don't you get aids and wheelchair out of the window too

>What about achieving a better society over time

"Better" for whom?

In Switzerland people who do the shitty jobs get 4000$/month for them.

In Cuba doctors make 20$/month.

>The market doesn't care about skin colour, nor, culture.
That is entirely up to the consumers to decide. If they want to pay a premium for having their shit produced by white folks, that's fine. If they want the lowest price possible and are fine with nigger labor, that's fine too. If you find yourself being outcompeted by niggers, you should probably kill yourself.

The reason your cities are full of niggers is because your government welcomes them all in and gives them your money in the form of welfare and social benefits.

PROOF NIGGA

If niggers worked they wouldn't be niggers.

The problem is they don't work and live on welfare instead.

For everyone. What delusional marxists don't want to swallow is that capitalist societies are improving over time. They would not even accept a capitalist society which has done away with the problems of poverty because they are so far up their own ass in postmodern cliches

It removed incentives to produce.

If you can't have more than the other guy, then why bother working more than him? It also lacked the economic calculation properties of a market, and thus led to massive mis-allocation of resources. People were asked to produce X items, regardless of quality. So they ended up producing crap that, often, was of no use.

>Capitalism created more people than communism.
Fixed. Unfortunately communism managed to influence capitalism, so that all those new people are niggers. The amount of niggers has grown about 20 fold in the last 100 years. The amount of whites about 1.5-fold. We're so evil, allowing hundreds of millions of blacks to even be born..

LOL, as if everyone being lower class shitstains, except for the Elite of course, is any better. That's what Communism is all about. You're either dead, lower class sweatshop worker, or part of the Elite.

Meanwhile Capitalism... some lower class (which is natural human nature, some people are stupid fucks), big middle class and a quite large amount of people who are doing well. Now THAT is a system that embraces human nature. Gloooorious

What did she mean by this?

Woweeee made me think, I'd rather have no personal belongings, no future, have more deaths and instead of more poor to rich we just get everyone poor except the corrupt gommunist leaders

Switzerland has a strong welfare system, with compulsary insurance schemes and redistribution of wealth by government in the form of investment in infrastructure spending. They even debated the creation of "citizens' wage" in the Swiss Parliament recently.

Cuba has been subject to international sanctions for the past 50 years.

Chalk and cheese.

Cuba has been subject to a blockade from one country out of hundreds, and it did so because the communist revolution directly leaded to taking over the American factories without compensation, so well justified.

Cuba has even stronger welfare system in terms of GDP % used. Thing is, the 100% of what communism creates is quite lower than the 30% of what capitalism creates.

>That is entirely up to the consumers to decide.

No.

It's up to the employers to decide: cheap labour verses expensive labour.

Guess which one market logic chooses?

>The reason your cities are full of niggers is because your government welcomes them

Neoliberal governments "welcome" immigrants because it keeps wages down, which means greater profits for employers and cheaper products for consumers.

This is the free market in action.

Yes but Switzerland does not embrace communist ideology. You cannot support Marxism with an example of a well run capitalist system. Marxist often use this evasion tactic; but Marxism and communism are far more than an efficient welfare state and specifically the elimination of religious freedom is one way in which communism is detestable

> What delusional marxists don't want to swallow is that capitalist societies are improving over time.

Do you live in a cave?

Have you seen the state of your country?

>massive mis-allocation of resources

this

Basically, communism is only feasible when you get a society that doesn't function at all and put them to produce food, but the moment your economy gets more complex than just food and houses, the mis-allocation of resources produced by central planning leads to failed investments and massive poverty.

That's why they always use the transition from feudal Russia to communism as an example, they fail to provide one example, however, of an economy that isn't more than what you or I could come up with if we were in the position to decide how millions of people should be used.

Yes, cause under communism they just starved under capitalism they suffer but they can still maintain a acceptable standard of living

I guess you cant be poor when youre dead so yeah

>(which is natural human nature,

Appeal to nature fallacy so soon?

>Marxist using trump rhetoric
Immigrants do not in fact keep wages down. In many cases the short term solution to economic stagnation is to use immigrant labor which creates opportunities for expansion which then allows for more competitive wages. I work in construction with many illegals who make the same or more than I do. The anti immigrant populism of trump is akin to various other communist narratives which are without any basis in reality

>Taking over the American factories without compensation, so well justified.

Er... the sanctions are in place for ideological reasons, not the "taking over of factories"...

Communism is based.

>Yes but Switzerland does not embrace communist ideology.

Er... who claimed it did?

Cos it has killed them.

Yes I have. My grandfather worked in a factory as a child laborer and today that would be illegal. I see today a people who are suffering from too much prosperity if anything. Also the major problems in my country are attributable to the abandonment of Christian morality which is a separate issue and would only be made worse by communist rhetoric