So Turkey asked the European Union to help them (probably because they're fuken close to the Middle East and all the turmoil going on there) and they got a big "maybe" in response so now they're trying to influence the election in the Netherlands so that they get what they need to actually survive (or live better... not sure about their demands) and that actually pissed out the EU so they detained their ambassador who was trying too hard to influence the upcoming elections in Netherlands (which is kind of far from Turkey on the world map) in a manner that is far from being legal or fair.
Now Erdogan (President of Turkey) is calling the European Union and the Netherlands a bunch of Nazi (which is not far from the truth seeing as how they act).
Now my question is: Do you think all this counter productivity is helping defeat Isis more or helping save the sinking European Union which is going to sink anyway?
I guess both Turkey and the Netherlands are guilty of having abused some legal gray zone here.
On one part you have Tukey who try to influence the elections which is kind of a political gray zone when it comes from outsiders.
One the other part you have the reaction of the Netherlands who was way over the top and undiplomatic to the core. Sending an ambassador home is never a diplomatic solution.
So I guess the EU had something to win from Turkey getting it's ass kicked by Isis and that's probably why they lasted for so long.
The trouble here is that Isis took so long to make their way to Turkey that now everyone knows what they were planning from day one.
Juan Evans
tldr; Isis was created so that Turkey could be destroyed.
Nolan Long
Turks raped the shit out of every christian culture they came across and then shit on all of them, they are getting exactly what they deserve. All turks are worthless faggot roaches
Eli Perry
And of course Christians have no blame in this story... how typical.
Nathan Gonzalez
oh boy leaf calling other nazis
wake me when another 6 million jews are dead only then can you use the term nazi
Brandon Gomez
Instead of trying to influence peoples opinion you should answer the question that was actually asked.
Grayson Rodriguez
its pretty much a fact that Erdogan helped isis. Now theyre either turning back on him or its some kind of trap. Either way its bad for isis so even though i wanna be patriotic, i hope that we dont get help and fuck EU
Jace Thomas
>So I guess the EU had something to win from Turkey getting it's ass kicked by Isis and that's probably why they lasted for so long. They survived so long because roaches kept buying their oil, and saudi donations of course >I guess both Turkey and the Netherlands are guilty of having abused some legal gray zone here. Not a grey zone , that woman minister had no immunity at all t.lawgoy
Sebastian Hall
>Not a grey zone , that woman minister had no immunity at all. You can't deny that sending some diplomat home because they're talking is kind of rude.
Elijah Nelson
>a fucking leaf LARPing as roach diaspora
Justin Nelson
Not at all. You act like that roach cunt had some moral right to be in the Netherlands. She doesn't. If they want to cut off diplomatic ties with your god forsaken country then that's their choice. Fuck off leafroach
Ryan Ortiz
>Diplomat a random politicians who is not a recognized as a employee of the consulate or embassy by the host nation is not a diplomat. Also who is rude? Turkey clearly ignored the dutch and undermined them by sending that woman by car from germany
Liam Murphy
#whathappenedtodiplomacy
Gavin Bailey
Syria too, the USA needed destabilization so they could build their oil pipeline.
Ryan Sanchez
>ambassador She wasn't an ambassador but a member of the turkish parliament and a minister who planned to do a political speech which the Netherlands denied. She ignored the Netherlands and entered the country on her own accord forcing the Netherlands hand.
William Barnes
>a fucking leaf
Your whole post shows how little to none you know about the situation with Turkey.
Gavin Lewis
>they're fuken close to the Middle East they ARE the middle east
turks need to give anatolia back to the greeks
Grayson Ramirez
They didn't wanted her to tell the world what is going on in Turkey.
Anthony Clark
Rake all leafs.
Nicholas Phillips
>One the other part you have the reaction of the Netherlands who was way over the top and undiplomatic to the core.
Nah, fuck you
Jeremiah Wright
Theoretically, the Turkish politicians are there to talk about Turkish politics and gain votes in Turkey among double nationality Turks that can still vote in Turkey.
Ofc, in reality, they would be trying to influence Dutch politics.
James Nelson
Not only Turkey but also Syria and Iran. Shillary pretty much said it. >"The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability >is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad."
Josiah Morgan
Turkey is well known for interfering in foreign internal politics and often pushes that turks abroad see themselves as turkish and not patriots of whatever nation they are part of.
Secondly its a fascist, islamic nation which has no place in Europe.
Bentley Foster
we ll give it back if they can pay for it
Nathan Hughes
>Nah, fuck you Okay.
Julian Roberts
Turkey is well known for being a completely unstable government that gets overthrown every 10 years.
Cooper Adams
OP pretty much ignoring that Turkey Kind of is responsible for the Massacre in Eastern Turkey and Northern Syria Erdogan just pretty much made himself a next Führer, by killing the Kemalist Turk Opposition He trades weapons with ISIS and Al Nusra just to fuck up the Syrians and the Kurds and he tries to stirr up shit in the Turkish communities of Germany and the Netherlands, which makes Integration worse Hate to break it to you, but in this case the EU isnt the bad guy
James Harris
Not before they pay debts, roach.
Aaron Watson
She not only ignored Netherland's decision on the matter, but she entered the country via Germany with a full security detail escort that was armed to the teeth, with not clearance from the Dutch authorities to do so.
Erdogan is just playing his card to influence the Turkish diaspora to vote for the upcoming referendum that will essentially turn Turkey into a Presidential Republic - giving close to unlimited power to the President and allowing him to serve up to 10 years (with no restriction to run again if wanted).
This pretty much tells you how uneducated and stupid the Turkish diaspora truly is. It really tells you a lot that Turkish people from actual Turkey are scared of the referendum and of the idea that Erdogan uses the Islamist wave to pander to his needs, and the diaspora votes for Erdogan like there's no tomorrow, even though they have lived in a true democracy for tens of years.
Make no mistake, Erdogan is no Islamist. He just uses the imams all across Turkey to mobilize the uneducated and illiterate muslim masses - this will eventually bite him hard, as history has shown us when Islamists are used to topple an already existing power structure.
Ethan Rivera
*tries to get overthrown we rarely actually manage it
Jaxon Anderson
Even more reason to not join. The populace are violent and islamic, prone to infighting and corruption when they dont currently have a non-muslim enemy to rally against.
Isaiah Roberts
What if Erdogan did all this because he was told to do it by the EU?
And now that he delivered the EU wants to cheap out on him by not sending what they promissed thus leaving Turkey to die.
Erdoğan needs Hitler-tier power in order to not get lynched.
Tyler Young
It would make sense that they don't want them to talk now.
Noah Reed
Kemalist Turks are actually not that bad It is just like this Scale that allways tries to tip in favor of the Islamists. And when that happens it is good night Turkey I actually like the Secularists, but if they want to further fuck with us they can go fuck themselves
Jordan Jenkins
turkey is scum. the EU doesnt have to let any kebab give speeches in europe. and if the turkish nationals in europe got a problem with it they can get a life time pass to a cia run water park
Luis Evans
I know turks here in the UK who were ecstatic when the "coup" against erdogan failed. They cheered that another attempt to make an islamic nation secular fail had collapsed.
I know the coup was orchestrated bullshit but how anyone could be on the side of erdogan and his mass imprisonments, the mob executions of soldiers and a further religious state is just obscene.
Colton Young
There are always some good people, but the majority arent and so we cant let them in.
Adrian Bailey
>innocent peaceful Hungarians sitting around enjoying life >Turkish Muslim barbarians come in >kill and enslave the Hungarians >we finally get freed from them by Austrians >fast forward to 2017 >HUNGARY IS NAZI BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT MUSLIMS
John Morgan
Erdogan is doing what he's doing because he wants to become der Fuhrer you mongoloid. If he wins the vote then he gets to be supreme commander for decades. If he loses then the coup he faked and all the other effort he put into manipulating this situation will be wasted and he won't realize his dream of running a caliphate. Now he's attempting to propagandize foreign Turks (who are citizens of Turkey no matter how long they're gone, as are their children and grandchildren even if they've never been to Turkey) to attempt to swing things his way. Netherlands just told Erdogan's propaganda mouthpiece to fuck off, and for that they're suffering riots.
Angel Gonzalez
EU powers giving Weapons and munitions to the Kurds only to pay Erdogan to swamp them with muslim refugees in 2016 ? And erdogan making things far worse for the EU powers that be with the Military Coup ? Yeah no, Erdogan tries to take Hostages to either get into the EU or get a good deal with the EU, while the EU stumbles around not being able to get a political stance against him
Michael Cox
This won't happen again, sadly. There's no one to topple the government anymore, as the Kemalist faction within the Army was completely purged by Gulenists and Erdogan himself, not only during the coup, but for the last 10-15 years.
Most of the officers that were trained under NATO have been either detained or have fled the country after the coup. The army is now filled with Erdogan shills and loyalists.
>They cheered that another attempt to make an islamic nation secular fail had collapsed.
Yet the coup has done exactly this. Erdogan is currently using all the Imams across Turkey to influence and gain the support from all the radical Muslims, giving the more and more power by the minute. As I've said before, Erdo is definitely using this only as a way of changing the Constitution via the Referendum, but once the Islamist wave starts, you can't really stop it.
Between Gulen and Erdogan, I sincerely couldn't know who is worse. One thing is for sure - both of them have turned Turkey into a shitshow that would make Kemal buttfuck himself with a cross.
Matthew Gutierrez
Because hes secretly a Jew. He was exposed countless times for stealing money, rigging elections and controlling media. Hes aiming to be the Opposite-Hitler, destroying moral value and Europe for his personal gains.
Lucas Sanchez
I say we let him become the next Fuhrer. It would be fun.
Do it for shits and giggles.
Charles Jackson
It'll happen again, just not for another decade. You can almost set your watch by Turkish coups.
Brody Martin
oh look the roaches are trying to incite east vs west so they can sit in the middle and pick over the corpses like vultures... again.
Nathan James
Being on the other side of the world that is easy for you to say, However for the 1.5 Million Germans in Turkey, The Greek, and all of the Balkans and the Levante this is a dire Situation
Cooper Jackson
No it wouldn't. It would be OKing a new Islamic caliphate ruled by a sociopath who hates Europeans and their culture, and would ultimately empower ISIS who already do a ton of government sanctioned smuggling through Turkey.
Jaxson Morgan
Well a jew might be dishonest and rob your nation behind your back, but a muslim will kill, rape and torture everyone to please his god.
I'd rather the former.
Hudson Hill
Yeah, at least jews are atheist in all but name. Religious fanatics are the worst.
Leo Anderson
hypocrisy/10 would rage again
Carter Nguyen
>They cheered that another attempt to make an islamic nation secular fail had collapsed. Because you're clueless. The coup was carried out by the CIA/Gülen under the guise of being done by Kemalists. This is why Turks are so anti-West now and Erdogan calling the west nazis is being so celebrated.
Colton Watson
>Sending an ambassador home is never a diplomatic solution. fuck off leaf
Jonathan Scott
The idea that some third rate Turkish official needs to present this world shocking news at some private venue in a city that's only "important" because of its industrious port is bogus, though.
There are better, more apt places to do it.
Carson Wood
Exactly, i know jews who are plain, normal people who are jewish by birth but thats it. To be muslim you have to subscribe to a set of beliefs and actions so by definition you have furiously hate filled attitude to western culture and a subservience obsessed, violent, god worship.
I live in a muslim city, and i know plenty - not even the ok ones are what you'd consider moderate and decent by the standards we hold others to.
Easton Cook
You're absolutely retarded. Do you think the EU acts in their own interest? No, they act for Israel. Turkey and the other middle eastern countries are an eyesore to (((them))), the EU is a mere puppet.
James Watson
You couldnt be more obvious turk. Thats the permanent justification muslim faggots whip out to justify all their evils: "its the cia".
What about erdogan's response to the coup then, that's cia too? Fuck off
Carter Morales
Dude ISIS GOT THEIR WEAPONS FROM TURKEY. They traded with the Erdogan People for Oil from northern Syria When the Kurds conquered These Oilfields the Turks started moving into northern Syria and massacring Kurds, Is that a coincidence to you ?
Caleb Cooper
>The coup was carried out by the CIA/Gülen under the guise of being done by Kemalists.
At the first view of the situation, you might say that. But looking at the measures Erdogan has made over the past few months, including the total purge of the army and the institutional government, you might say that he either orchestrated the whole thing to consolidate power, or he knew beforehand about the coup and allowed it to happen, in order to get support from the population.
I'm not saying Gulen is not a piece of shit that actively tried to subvert the Turkish state for the past 10-15 years, but the fact of the matter is that many, many NATO Turkish officers were either arrested or have fled the country - and they represented the Secularist Kemalist faction within the army.
The thing that does not add up is this, if you look at it - when Erdogan's plane was up in the air, right after the coup started, why didn't the F-18's shoot him down? Mind you, the planes were maned by soldiers from the Icirlick Base - all of them Securalists, all of them NATO trained officers. And don't tell me that bullshit about the officers not having time to actually arm the airplanes.
Isaiah Foster
it's not about who's "right or wrong" morally. It's about picking a team and securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.
Joseph James
The middle east is an eyesore to any half educated human on the planet. Why do you think muslims are so universally reviled?
Luis Taylor
Ànd the Conspiracy theorist strikes again The only Thing hurting me here is the flag of the post
Landon Anderson
>Now Erdogan (President of Turkey) is calling the European Union and the Netherlands a bunch of Nazi (which is not far from the truth seeing as how they act). This is bullshit i dont accept this argument from erdofuck when he is much more similar to nazis by faaar.
Andrew Brooks
Also turkey helped isis more than just a few times so its ok for me if they have to deal with the consequences.
Cooper Hernandez
You are fucking retarded leaf, educate yourself on the situation before talking. We didn't send an ambassador home, we told two separate ministers (which have no diplomatic immunity nor a need to be here) not to come until after elections on the 15th. Which one did anyway while lying about the purpose of the visit. Roaches start rioting in the streets so we ask her again to fuck of to Germany, which she eventually did.
Liam Jackson
>However for the 1.5 Million Germans in Turkey,
Not to mention the Europeans surrounded by Turkish diaspora.
Kevin Campbell
Muslims' modus operandi is to call anyone standing in the way of their aims nazis and say they are being oppressed. It works well when the west is so unbelievably cucked.
Levi Adams
This. Fuck Turks (especially Erdoshit) and fuck Turkey too.
Ian Cooper
you're wrong on almost every point of substance there.
just to deal with the first point: it took the US a long time to get permission from turkey to use a base in turkey for bombing ISIS and the dutch sent patriots to turkey immediately when the roach in chief asked NATO for protection. this mission was even extended
Christian Scott
We really need to steam roll it and remove any non-secularists from the population. It would be a great strategic boundary to europe.
Some would warn that it would anger muslims for generations but they already act put upon and attacked when everyone is bending over to receive them and its not like they can ramp up the amount of rape and violence they're enacting.
Cameron Reyes
I wasn't trying to hide being a Turk, retard. Read about Gladio B. Gülen has 1000 schools around the world and is a turbo Muslim. His followers have steadily been infiltrating governments for decades and Erdogan only rose to power thanks to him. Gülen's being protected by the CIA, just google for the Gülen-Clinton connection. Also Erdogan IS a rat but one planted by the west who now wants to save his own ass.
Christian Brooks
> way over the top to declare foreign dignitaries threatening you and calling for mass uprisings against your government persona non grata >way over the top to stand by for 5-6 hours while thousands of roaches illegally occupy a public place >way over the top to disperse them when they turn violent against the police giving them a legal order to go home fucking leafs btfo
Asher Wilson
Its hard to assign blame to christians here because Turks periodically genocide theirs, you know.
Oliver Carter
Yes you are, you are posting under germany, living i assume in germany. All whilst regarding yourself as a turk. What a parasite to disown the nation who have let you in. Either renounce islam and arabic culture and participate in your nation or return home to the country you supposedly love so much.
Islam is islam with or without american intervention, as it has been since its inception. Your appeals that all troubles are the result of shadowy american actions which of course you cant prove scream of apologism and dont work here.
Nathan Perry
best possible outcome for turkey would be: >some hidden faction in the armed forces stage a succesful coup >islamic theocrats are purged from every government organisation >secular academics, police, lawyers and judges are re-appointed to jobs they were kicked out of >eventually, democracy is restored, with the army standing by to keep islamists out >EU still collapses
a man is allowed to dream
Thomas Diaz
>On one part you have Tukey who try to influence the elections which is kind of a political gray zone when it comes from outsiders. There's actually many Turks in the Netherlands still with a Turk passport who can still vote in the Turkey election. That's what this visit was about they claimed
Jaxon Williams
sadly the 14yo Turks here hate the Country that took them, while loving the Country which oppressed ór jailed their Parents until they left for Germany. The Idiocy of the Young is a 1000 Men strong
Lincoln Bennett
>including the total purge of the army and the institutional government He purged them of Gülenists/PKK sympathisers because he's become paranoid of people going after his head again. He didn't orchestrate anything. He was hiding like a rat and facetimed to his loyal gorillas. >and they represented the Secularist Kemalist faction within the army No, they didn't? The Kemalist faction was put into jail around 10 years ago by Gülenists which is why the purge was supported by Kemalists. I don't know how he survived the coup. The coup was definitely rushed because the purge of Gülenists was planned even before the coup had taken place. The actual Kemalists quickly went against the putschists.
Ian Kelly
>Still falling for the 'Turkey is secular' meme
Turkey is de jure secular but de facto Islamic, they just pretend to be secular so they can score brownie points from the European Union. The only way we can fix Turkey is with a hydrogen bomb.
Jaxson Turner
It's disgraceful but it happens all over the west. Its consciously allowing and even celebrating fifth columns.
The fact that our leaders believe you can sustain laws when allowing people in who regard a different nation as a higher authority or even a god (one who explicitly hates what the west involves), shows are oblivious they are. Germany is probably already too far gone.
Parker Taylor
I have no doubt that the majority are islamic, we could see that in the coup - i just meant the few that aren't should definitely be spared.
Grayson Jackson
The west has been actively radicalising the middle east for decades. >Conspiracy theorist The CIA documents will get leaked soon anyway. You're already heavily biased so no point in arguing. When did I ever say I was a Muslim, retard? And what's wrong with saying I'm a Turk when my parents, language, culture and appearance are Turkish? You're acting as if I'm going against the state and supporting chimp-outs of dumb Muslims here.
Grayson Wright
Well, yeah, I'm not against sparing secular Turkish girls.
Adrian Young
Lmao, I called the turks a bunch of uppity cunts on jewtube on that one video about the netherlands incident and I shit you not, some turk tried to hack me.
Thomas Ramirez
major mainstream politicians over here are starting to talk about turks as a fifth column. it might be too little too late, but you never know.
we're being told that every time some sort of shit going down somewhere in europe which leads to a public right-wing outcry, a significant number of muzzies start making contingency plans. all we need to do is keep pushing against fifth-columnists and islam in general and 90% of those who might pose a problem will leave on their own.
Joshua Parker
Typical leaf being a fucking faggot
Wyatt Wood
The middle east has been engaged in ethnic and religious genocide for centuries and has suffered and perpetuated terror attacks in the name of islam since its inception. American influence has only had a correlative effect as it came about at the same time as the world became globalised allowing the west to see the full brunt of islam.
The east is hardly radicalized under america, but look at Malaysia and neighbouring countries, its horrible. Antiquity is full of horror stories of islam and churchill thoroughly summed up what monsters they were long before your CIA scapegoat came to action. As i said, your idle excuses are weak and worn here.
You should not regard yourself as a turk if you are a citizen of germany. You should be proud to be german and seek to benefit the nation that took you in. But you don't, you are a proud parasite and i know no more pitiful thing.
Jackson Butler
"you are realy biased, no Point in arguing" Lol typical SJW retort
Kayden Perry
I really hope that does work out, i agree the best way is to push against them. That way you can draw into the open those that hate you, exile those who are sympathetic to an islamic culture and draw closer and reward those that stand by the Netherlands and the west.
Easton Reed
There has to be a way to get that roach into some type of legal trouble, please do it. These faggot roaches need to be taught a lesson.
Kevin Martin
Was your password, "password"?
Joshua Garcia
>lol conspiracy theorist >lol SJW Yes, great arguments. Look, you have your narrative, you won't change it and all you know is ad hominem counters. No point in arguing, see?
Zachary Martinez
I'm not even sure where I'd begin with that. It's only a shitty e-mail I use for the internet but it's the first time somebody's tried it. Lo and behold, it's the fucking turks and proves I was right in calling them cunts.
Clever, but I'm not democratic.
Logan Bennett
Yeah change your passwords every few months, don't reuse them on multiple sites. There's lists with millions of stolen accounts from lesser places and turks are capable of reading lists if nothing else.
Carter Nguyen
>Turks >literate
Pick one, and only one.
Jacob Martin
I already changed the password but I liked to keep them similar to make them easier to remember. I think I'll get to changing them right now and make them more difficult/varied.
Christopher Lee
Jesus Christ look Retard i will teach you what happened After the start of the war there were around 1 Million syrians in eastern Turkey Erdogan wanted Money and more power in the political sphere of the EU Merkel, at that Point pretty much the Boss of the EU, said "NO" So Erdogan wanted to use These People as political pawns to put pressure on Merkel Merkel in a fit of Female Rage, told him "Fuck you we will take them ALL" without thinking of the consequenzes Every syrian and nog in the World hears her saying that She has to stand true to her word 2 Years later 3 Million Refugees and counting Got that ? You guys are talking like only the CIA and da JOOS have any Kind of autonomy and everyone else is just cattle
William Gray
Okay, they can copy/paste
I recommend a password manager that generates long secure random shit for every individual site, but you can keep a lower security password on YOUR machines that won't be accessible to randoms on the internet.
Nathaniel Ramirez
Change it to "fuckallah" in turkish and they won't be able to put it in anyway.