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WILDERS VS RUTTE GET IN HERE
Zachary Parker
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Parker Hughes
1st for geert
Colton Wright
Let's hope Wilders makes good use of the current crisis. That he points out Rutte wanted to look strong but it backfired.
Jordan Mitchell
I can't understand this gibberish.
Kevin Hernandez
Dit is een belangrijk debat ja. Denk dat hier zo'n 2 zetels op staan
Elijah Baker
Anyone up for a fun game?
Blake Peterson
What impact is the Roach chimpout having on the mood there?
Good news for Geert I guess?
Elijah Turner
MASSIVELY yeah. People are publicly vouching for Geert and hating on Turks. Never seen that like this before
Anthony Cox
Rutte will easily be able to turn it around. Geert did nothing except angry tweets, Rutte was responsible for standing up to Turkey.
Geert would've won if they were allowed to speak in Holland.
Leo Collins
Im in
Isaac Kelly
But who is proposing solutions?
It's one think to stop a rally.
It's another to propose solutions on how to deal with hundreds of thousands of hostile Turks.
Eli Collins
The crowd is biased though
Carter Watson
Proposing solutions is notoriously not Wilders' thing.
Evan Cox
Got a dutchbro who says he liked Geert, but is dislikes his higher corporate tax rates, raising tuition (He's not in college though), and another issue I can't remember. Can someone help me redpill him and convince him to vote Geert? I'm too unfamiliar with Dutch politics.
Dominic Flores
>Rutte was responsible for standing up to Turkey.
Roemer (SP: Socialist Party) today said that he finally stood up to the Turks after years of doing nothing while the long arm of Turkey grew stronger in the Netherlands. I think Wilders' counter will be along those lines; Rutte can act bravely now because he neglected the problem for so long.
Samuel Myers
"Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies." -John King
Jacob Garcia
Tell me honestly Canabisbro what are his chances?
Eli Ortiz
The immigration problem is the selling point. They cost us BILLIONS a day
Jonathan Ortiz
immigration can change a nation for HUNDREDS of years, while economic issues can be literally overturned in a year
Matthew Torres
You're going to need to provide a source on this claim
Josiah Carter
can anybody explain Wilders being the only member of the PVV?
Jason Peterson
Good to get a majority, but to form a coalition will prove difficult
Jason Hernandez
Brandon Wright
How is Geert doing in this debate?
Hudson Reyes
will there be a transcript of this?
Zachary Scott
Pretty okay but it just started
Jordan Smith
>Merkel lets shitskins in
>Germans finally getting pissed at her
>Merkel says "oh no there are too many shitskins"
>Germans are cool with her again
Why do Europeans do this? It's the same with Brexit and British people not really seeming to care that May openly doesn't want to reduce immigration, or the French being against le ebil Le Pen but willing to vote for Trudeau's old world French cousin or "the conservative" who helped let in a bunch of Algerians.
Vote for fucking Wilders for fuck's sake, he was right the whole time. Why is it Trump constantly being right makes him strong enough to beat the odds and win but Wilders being constantly right gets a sigh from the Dutch? Vote in the right man, stop electing wrong but nice-speaking politicians.
Nicholas Evans
>Good to get a majority
This is already something, at least it proves that you are not such incorrigible idiots as germans and the french.
Ryder Gutierrez
These guys in the show are all pro VVD and anti PVV
James Wright
Leftist student audience lmao
Lincoln Ward
Yeah, bevooroordeeld
Isaac Thomas
*Audience is all pro vvd
Painfull for geert
Isaac Reed
I'm not expecting any surprises in this debate, to be honest.
>Rutte says they did good
>Wilders says they didn't
Jackson Jones
This
Jace Reyes
True, Rutte is good is saying "this must happen", and yeah, indeed that must happen but he's not providing any content, they're either lies or just hot air
Tyler Kelly
I think I'd be able to destroy the turkish army.
Seriously,
I practice MMA since 6 years, boxing in parallel since 7 years
I also do bodybuilding since 4 years, 1m87 for 86kg, I could
I have an inbelievable speed and reflexes as insane as my speed. I just have to wait these roaches to charge me, dodge them, hit them with a great punch in the head and block them one by one with a joint lock. I will not let them escape me, one mistake and they're finished.
There will always be some virgins on here to say it's impossible. First, nothing is impossible in this life my friends and number two, this is not with your weak bodies of cowards that you'll be able to do anything.
Anybody a minimum trained can kill a bunch of roaches with an insecticide. Beating their whole army just by crashing them with my bare hands is not much more difficult you just need some practice.
Evan Baker
And Wilders makes up statistics on the spot. I don't know if either one of them comes across as reliable.
The big winner of this debate will probably be CDA and D66.
William Cox
Wilders is doing better than I expected
Owen Hall
Quickly fact checked. cbs.nl
Rutte is right. The numbers are wrong.
Cameron Hernandez
you will be downvoted, but i thank you for this link
Samuel Roberts
i can't understand this shit
Jonathan Perez
I wouldn't call making up numbers on the spot "better than expected"
Carter Baker
Wilders has some nice bants, but that's it.
Rutte is much stronger on immigration stand points, did not expect that.
Ryan Sanchez
I don't know those numbers by heart desu. Doubt anyonere here does.
Nolan Gonzalez
Koopmans his research, which Wilders just quoted, has been firmly debunked.
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Jose Martin
Gebakken lucht man. Deuren dicht betekent dus echt niet dat je evenveel immigranten krijgt die illegaal binnen komen. Rutte verstopt zich achter domme grappen
Henry Garcia
Don't know what they're saying but I hope a fight breaks out!
Connor Adams
In contrary to the two gentlemen debating at the moment, we have Google at our finger tips. Let's objectively fact check their statements.
Aiden Martin
Yeah I'm surprised too, although Rutte should limit on interrupting Wilders with scoffs etc.
Hudson Moore
Sorry, I don't speak weed.
Luis Bell
Well they are verbally attacking each others ideas and it's a pretty exciting debate of two guys lying.
Carter Ortiz
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Isaac Diaz
Speak weed? seu brasileiro safado kkkkkkkk
Christopher Jenkins
Wilders would kick his flat ass
David Young
That was short and underwhelming
Ayden Martin
He says he's leaning towards PVV. Help me persuade him guys.
Jason Murphy
Rutte did not provide anything with body. It was hot air like "This is the problem, [insert stupid joke here]" whilst Wilders showed balls and discredited him on most points. And the Live Fact Check running show a STRONG prefence towards Wilders. He was saying the truth, Rutte wasn't
Thomas Thompson
So is there an aversion of PVV like there is of Front National in France? As in other parties just refuse to work with them.
Also is the media more fair to Geert in comparison to the bias in things like live (((fact))) checking in the US elections?
Jack Gutierrez
Our media is a LOT less biased and corrupt than America but they do try. Our voters aren't (as) retarded though and there's a clear wave of skepticism and "enough is enough" attitude.
Other parties DO refuse to work with them but that would be an insult to the voters, that shit will not fly here.
Jack Roberts
Damn wilders got BTFO
Noah Baker
t.
Sebastian Long
HELP
Rutte and Wilders... They both suck.
Think i'm gonna vote good guy Pechtold
Angel Fisher
Noem 1 punt wat wilders maakte, rutte maakte gewoon duidelijk wat wilders is: hij maakt problemen en zeikt er over zonder concrete plannen
Isaiah Martin
My friend is mentioning how VVD is not socialist, doesn't tax entrepreneurs, and wants to limit benefits for immigrants.
He says PVV does lots of barking and though he agrees with what he says, he doesn't believe Geert wouldn't be a good Prime Minister. He also PVV is more lower class and has less entrepreneurs.
Dominic Miller
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Jose Baker
1 punt van Wilders is dat Rutte alleen maar erop wijst wat problemen zijn en dat Rutte eveneens geen oplossingen biedt. Hij neemt alles terug en ontwijkt vragen erover. Begint dan over iets wat wél gelukt is, en als Wilders door hamert komt Rutte met een ingestudeert grapje. Goeie politiek voering bro (Y)
Zachary Mitchell
Rutte lies about those things. 75% of his promises take a 180° turn within ~3 weeks after being elected.
He is not controlling immigration, he's taking them all in with open arms and legs. He literally said that CLOSING THE BORDER WONT DO ANYTHING. Seriously, he just literally said that
Isaiah Martinez
Any proof of the 180? Idk about these things.
Jeremiah Moore
Wilders mentioned several in his debate, don't have them memorised sorry.But Rutte is well known for avoiding stuff and "changing his mind". Anyone who gets their news from other sources than DWDD, NOS and Facebook knows this
Asher Fisher
That's fine. D66 is one of the parties I was thinking about to vote on and while I won't in the end it's still not the worst option out there. It's unlikely, but if Pechtold would end up prime-minister I feel like he's pretty suitable for the job
Owen Jenkins
One of you dutch fuckers needs to post all of the debate polls from news sites and their twitter so we can go in there and fuck shit up
Cooper Hughes
What about Dumpert?
Jack Green
Jacob Sanchez
Damn, everyone in favour of Wilders! :D
That's an odd little cult but they're pretty right as well. They were "against" Wilders like a week ago but that changed so quickly
Camden Ramirez
Wilders got btfo in this debate desu. It was almost cringe, if you can't even take Rutte you're a fuckin useless faggot.
Colton Cook
>lets manipulate the news polls so that Wilders takes a strong lead. Hahaha take that!
>Meanwhile in The Netherlands:
>OH SHIT! WILDERS TAKES A HUGE LEAD! Better vote strategically on the VVD
Fuck off leaf
Luke Cox
t.
Jeremiah White
You have to go back
John Long
I told him to watch the rest of the debate (He watched half). If anyone has more specific points pls post.
Asher James
You are very sneaky. Good job goy
James Anderson
One man against one million roaches, seriously?
Joseph Cooper
Tell him to vote FvD, they have a more right wing economic position, but the same opinion as the PVV on immigration and the EU.
Levi Wilson
If you think Wilders actually won this debate you probably suffer from Down's Syndrome.
James Bell
Cooper Reyes
>ID color is orange
Praise kek. He makes the VVD-libero-shills easy to spot
Jaxson Phillips
Yes, they are university students not inbred provinciaaltjes that worship Wilders.
Joshua Bell
FVD Live vanuit Breda op FB
Jack Rivera
>Media zombies instead of the working class like PVV
FTFY
Luke Nguyen
Is he projected to win? It's still close last I checked
Nicholas Reyes
No but who knows in this day and age right?
Christian Allen
>Economiefaculteit
>Hartland van de JOVD
Natuurlijk zijn het Rutte-fanatiekelingen.
Dylan Cook
There is an aversion but it's also more personal than political. Wilders has been around as a parliamentarian since the late 90s, and started really insulting his colleagues since about 2004 or so when he left his former party and started his own. That's more than ten years of serious bants.
In the beginning he was right to do so, since his colleagues are cucks of the highest order and it got him a lot of screen time. But nowadays, even the most left-wing cucks around say he has some points.
He should not "moderate" his stances, just his rhetoric, so that he can work together with other parties more.
He's on permanent campaigns mode, and his campaigns are always smear campaigns. Makes it really hard for other parties to "give him a chance" even if they want to, without looking like bigger cucks.
tl;dr: switch tactics
Michael Sanders
Ik ken die typjes wel van mijn studietijd. Ik kan het er eentje zelfs heel moeilijk maken met haar carrière als ik uit de school klap wat ze op feestjes/enz. allemaal wel niet zeggen, maar het is verder wel een leuk wijf dus ik zal het niet doen.
Te lang, deed niet lees: het zijn bijna allemaal kast-nazi's die racistische humor hilarisch vinden en verder wel van een rood pilletje houden, maar omdat dit knopje slaat om in het openbaar, en dan zijn ze keurige liberaaltjes en is Nederland gewoon een gaaf land waarin iedereen welkom is.
Weet niet wat ik van ze moet vinden, maar mijn stem krijgen ze niet.
Eli Moore
Ik weet het, ik heb een aantal lokale kopstukken ontmoet. Allemaal mensen die beweren liberaal te zijn, maar hun geld willen verdienen in de politiek of de ambtenarij. Ze willen een kleinere staat, maar wel een staat die groot genoeg is om alle voormalige voorzitters, penningmeesters et cetera van de JOVD een goedbetaald baantje te geven.
Kevin Morales
Carrière-politici waren inderdaad een vergissing.
Doet me denken aan die uitspraak van Rutte over dat net ontslagen mensen niet zo snel bij het UWV moeten aankloppen.
Gewone stervelingen krijgen geen jaren wachtgeld, Rutte. Alleen politici.
Jose Brown
Kijk, van SP/PvdA/GL-politici kan ik nog wel begrijpen dat ze dol zijn op een grote staat.
Maar ik ben er wel kwaad om dat de VVD zich als liberale partij profileert terwijl bijna alle actieve leden van de VVD ook actief uit de staatsruif vreten (als politici, als consultants, of met dodgy gemeentelijke contracten voor hun bedrijfjes).
Jaxson Martinez
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Stel je hebt de begroting van een bedrijf in handen, en je moet mensen ontslaan. Behalve dit kleine taakje één keer per jaar doe jezelf nagenoeg de hele dag niets binnen het bedrijf. Die tweede congiërge die een poosje geleden is aangenomen wel, maar als die ene congiërge iets harder buffelt moet het bedrijf redelijk schoon blijven.
Wie ontsla je, jezelf of die congiërge.
De VVD vermindert de uitgavedrift wellicht, maar uiteindelijk wil het er zelf ook nog van kunnen profiteren.
Politicus zijn is een vak. Weg zijn de tijden dat men zich na of naast een carrière zich met de politiek ging bezighouden. Alleen in gemeenteraden zie je dit nog, maar ook die lui kunnen prima leven van een hun ambtenarensalaris als ze genoeg politieke nevenfuncties erbij verwerven.
Lincoln Barnes
Daarom vind ik het FvD zo bemoedigend. Hiddema is bijvoorbeeld een jaar of zeventig en heeft nooit in de politiek gezeten. Hij doet mee omdat hij in Baudet en FvD gelooft en een grote schoonmaak wil, niet omdat hij er z'n brood mee moet verdienen.
Alexander Scott
Ben benieuwd hoe Baudet aan zijn knaken komt. Het lijkt me sterk dat een clubje als de zijne bijster veel subsidie ving, waarschijnlijk moest hij het van donaties hebben. En zijn boeken en media-optredens uiteraard. Hij leeft in ieder geval als een pauper aan zijn (gebrek aan) interieur te zien, maar wel in hartje Amsterdam. Wat moet je daar voor een kartonnen doos op de stoep dokken, 1600 in de maand?
Hoe dan ook, puike lui inderdaad. Met name Hiddema. Heb vernomen dat hij wil blijven pleiten naast zijn vak als politicus. Aangezien die stoeltjes in de tweede kamer buiten de dinsdag om nooit bezet zijn, moet dat wel lukken.
Als je we nou eens een aanwezigheidsplicht voor die kamerleden invoeren, zijn ze wellicht te moe om nepotistische netwerkjes op te bouwen.