What are Ryan's options now that the CBO has released this report?
The AARP was already against it, the freedom caucus, and Rand Paul. Not a single Dem will touch it. Trump doesn't seem to really care unless it makes him personally look bad.
After Trump's election I am a never say never sort of guy, but this seems politically impossible.
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Trump 3D chessed him so bad it's almost not funny anymore.
>but this seems politically impossible.
I think that's the point. They want to say 'hey we tried but the dems stopped us, blame them'.
But will that work with Breitbart and the teaparty opposing it in very strong language?
I agree that is how it will be played, but I think the tea-party as a whole has more right-wing street cred than Ryan. Plus with majorities in congress and the presidency if repubs don't pass this they will look pretty bad.
Read the fine print. "24 million lose health coverage" includes:
Young, healthy people who elect not to buy insurance.
People who were on an Obamacare plan that are no longer on an Obamacare plan, but may purchase different care.
People who were moved to Medicare because Obamacare was really just about shifting insurance to welfare who will now not be eligible for Medicare and must purchase different insurance.
summary: Obama is a fag and his care is all retarded.
>Not a single Dem will touch it
Don't be so sure. Dems are spineless beyond all principles. Remember they passed Obamacare, a bill written by Romney and the health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies. And they're still defending it.
>Trump doesn't seem to really care unless it makes him personally look bad.
I would like to see Trump veto it because it is anti-competition. This would shit on both the Republicans and Democrats, making him the real victor here.
>this seems politically impossible
Do not underestimate the power of rich interests to suck more money out of the taxpayers through contrived laws.
I could see red state dems like Manchin voting for it if they thought they needed to for homestate cred. However, if he did he would definitely get primaried. Progressives are chomping at the bit to primary the weak corporate dems. The only reason they don't is, because the leadership says it is the only way to win red states. If Manchin can't even be relied upon for this though he is basically no use to the dems anyway.
>replace obamacare with obamacare-lite
Ryan needs to be voted out.
Trump is probably just letting Ryan shoot himself in the foot, which is good because that snake needs to be replaced.
>May
Just like I MAY buy a mansion. It is not illegal for me to do so, but that doesn't mean I can afford it at all. The meme that access to purchase something is the same as having it needs to die.
can we please just repeal obamacare
please
It's how Trump operates. Letting Ryan craft the bill himself was the same as giving him enough rope to hang himself.
Not likely.
A lot of red state voters are on Obamacare, but don't think they are, because they are on "The Affordable Care Act". There is no plan to the right of Obamacare that isn't just the same as not having insurance. The medicare expansion makes the problem even worse.
Teapartiers and the Freedom Caucus are so focused on getting their way they will drive this new plan into the dirt. Repealing will lead to a bloodbath in the midterms. Best case scenario is saying "we repealed obamacare!!!*" (*but realy just make minor changes that keeps the law intact)
You're not entitled to a mansion. Furthermore, if you want to actually live in a mansion, you may need to live in an apartment while you build your career and assets in order to someday get one. Just like people who have extremely cheap or no insurance do while young.
See this is a legit philosophy, but republicans don't actually believe it. If they believe that competition was key then they would be pro free trade, and it would keep destroying their blue collar jobs. If they believe this, they would gut social security instead of voting to keep it, because they are old. They would welcome the competition of immigrants. You wouldn't complain about liberal media, because apparently that is what the majority have voted for with their dollars.
Fact is that objectivism and libertarianism is just a guise. It is like paint to try and make an ugly philosophy better. The republican party ideology is basically "I've got mine and everyone else can get fucked."
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Insurance doesn't exist to give someone else jack shit, it exists for YOU to pay into to shield YOU from potential risk. Insurance companies sell to large pools of people in order to shield THEMSELVES from potential risk. Insurance isn't welfare. I don't care what people do or don't buy, I trust them to make that decision for themselves.
The rest of your post is more "this is what my fat college professor told me Republicans think". It's not even consistent. Absolutely Free Trade is a Utopia-condition, and what we call Free Trade now is not in any way free or designed for people to prosper. The #1 News channel in America by viewership is Fox News, seems like people are in fact voting with their dollars.
You're exactly the reason I have to call myself a Centrist now. Your ideology of "I'm told this is helping people and anyone who says otherwise can get fucked" is painfully stupid, but probably tingles your private parts.
Why isn't free trade designed for people to prosper?
What about social security? That is welfare for the old.
What about the competition of immigrants?
>"Dr. Strawman McCollegefreshman"
>"The rest of your post is more "this is what my fat college professor told me Republicans think". "
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You're exactly the reason I have to call myself a Centrist now. Your ideology of "I'm told this is helping people and anyone who says otherwise can get fucked" is painfully stupid, but probably tingles your private parts."
There is no need to be upset. How about a cool beverage to give yourself a moment to calm down? Maybe a glass of liberal tears? I hear yall are fond of that
>Why isn't free trade designed for people to prosper?
First demonstrate how trade is presently free.
>What about social security? That is welfare for the old.
Obamacare's problem isn't that it is welfare, per se, but that it's a welfare system that cannot in any way sustain itself, stop prices from rising, stop premiums from sharp increases, stop exchange providers from leaving, etc. Shifting people onto Medicare plans treats insurance as if it were welfare, which exacerbates all the above problems. Notice that ALL people pay into Social Security and its payout is relatively fixed (tied to inflation) whereas healthcare costs have exponentially raised and ponder why this may not be a good comparison.
Obamacare is a terrible plan we agree on that much. Moving to a more liberal system is the only way to avoid the current deathspiral.
Free trade allows companies to outsource labor to places where it can be done for cheaper. That is what defines free trade. Maybe it doesn't help the American working class, but that is no the stated goal of free trade.
You are not addressing the fundamental problem of social security. You say I am not entitled to healthcare (a mansion in that metaphor), but claim some people are entitled to a government money when they are old, because... reasons? You go on to say, because the set up is different, coming from everyone rather than an insurance pool, it is better. I actually agree with you here which is why I support universal healthcare. You are ignoring the fundamental problem. You are okay with some entitlements, because they support people who vote the same way you do.
It needs to go through. Rural America needs to sleep in the bed they made, especially old, sick, white people who think they're entitled to good jobs.
I would rather not have millions of people lose healthcare to teach people a lesson.
Blame them for healthcare okay
Gotta learn somehow
Modern conservatism can't produce a healthcare bill
You can't control costs because capitalism
You can't raise taxes because that would inconvenience the rich.
You can't make everyone contribute because that would be socialism.
So, you end up in a situation where people can't afford $100 dollars of preventative care and end up costing $10,000 at the ER. You have enormous bureaucratic duplication in insurance whose inefficiencies are passed on to the consumer both directly and indirectly in the amount of time doctors spend dealing with different insurance companies.
If I recall correctly the penalty for non-continuous insurance (two months) would've scared people away from buying insurance according to the CBO report
This tbqh. A significant number of them don't realize that they are insured under the Medicaid expansion as well
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I dont get it.
why cant you yanks get healthcare to work? Either you single payer or you freemarket it with the least amount of regulation possible. Say what you want about our system but it just works. Dont pay an awful lot for it, care is average to pretty good, drugs cheap(er), and available 24/7/365 to everyone who needs it.
Or you freemarket it with minimal regulation, so new compting hospitals can be built, a minimum standard for med school and imcreased enrollment space (not a a cutoff the top for the limited space), removal of bullshit regulations and barriers of entry to the healthcare field, and finally gut or abolish the FDA. Should be up to states and/or a neutral organization(s) of health care professionals to take up the mandate of the FDA.
The biggest problem though is barrier to entry of new companies/health proffesionals. There are huge numbers of people who ARE smart enough to be a doctor/nurse/researcher, but ended up on the wrong side of the bell curve becuase limited (artifically or not) program spots means people have to get cut. Then once you do graduate, you deal with a library worth or regulations and laws dealing with medicine (I do think there needs to be some) before you even open a practice. Doctors charge insane money becuase of the bullshit they deal with, and because they can. System is designed to limit competition.
Supermajority in Congress yet still gonna argue the Dems did it.
Face it boys, you shit the bed with Trump and the retardblicans
Part of why Canada-style healthcare is politically unacceptable in the US is that, to my knowledge, skimps on some expensive items which the American system finances for part of the population (Medicare Part D, LTC under Medicaid)
Sounds good to me.
It's like you faggots are afraid of being sick.
Take better care of yourself and your immune system will take care of you.
Don't go being a retard getting yourself injured.
Life before obamacare was just fine.
I don't understand faggots who go see a doctor for anything less than life threatening.
Increasingly I am certain Trump just gave Ryan the rope to hang himself with
>why don't unhealthy people just be healthy instead?
>Pre-existing conditions don't exist
u r dumb
>CBO
>even one accurate prediction ever
Choose one.
Trumps is not a policy guy. He can make all the promises in the world and be as nice as he wan't doing it. It doesn't change the fact that the repubs have had 8 years to come up with an alternative to the ACA and haven't. That is because there isn't another REAL healthcare plan that doesn't move left or uninsure millions.
>it just works
Try it with tens of millions of leaching niggers and illegals who will take 100x more than they contribute and let me know how well it works. I pay $25/month through my employer for great medical and dental coverage (could get vision for a couple more bucks but I don't need it). My healthcare, as long as everyone else who gets good coverage through work, would get shittier and more expensive under single payer. I will never support it. I don't give a shit if I'm called greedy. The people who want single payer are also looking out for their best interests, not mine.
Don't worry Trump is going to choose Rand Paul's option instead
This. 8d chess.
The GOP doesn't have an alternative because providing some sort of single payer/free market abomination like Obamacare isn't a Republican stance. It would be like asking the DNC to come up with a plan for their version of The Wall and if it isn't perfect tons of people will autistically screech.
Or maybe not every stupid thing he does is somehow secretly brilliant.
If it is soft like a sheep, slow like a sheep, and baa's like a sheep it is not always a wolf in sheeps clothing. Sometimes it is just a sheep.
Maybe he just doesn't know what he is doing.
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ACA's exchanges are basically lifted straight from a Heritage proposal
We will have to see how the uninsured act in the midterms if this passes. Historically speaking, old people will always vote against whoever wants to take SS away no matter how much they claim to hate entitlements.
It is easy to say others should go without. It is another to give up your own benefits. And Obamacare benefits red state voters the most.
Politically the best move would to be to blame the dems for blocking something and wait for Obamacare to implode, something that Trump seems to be repeatedly setting the stage for by saying constantly how that's "not what he's going to do". It's a bit like OJ's book.
>Pre-existing conditions
You're genetic waste.
And they say conservatives can't be good people
what a shining example of humanity you must be
I totally agree with you here, but there are some who will be angry if there is no attempt at repealing as well. Pressure from the left and right is very real.
I really don't care.
There are already too many people.
Accept your natural death.
Quit plaguing the healthy.
Without Ryan, Trump will get impeached. They need eachother.
You understand rule of the strong?
The same thing applies here. There are more people who are a little fucked when it come to personal health and they are not all liberals. They have the numbers to stop a repeal. Start appealing to a majority or get fucked.
Well then Breitbart really screwed the pooch tonight.
We are watching Trump destroy Ryan and now we know why. Brietbart released some audio of Ryan being a backstabbing snake and this healthcare thing is destroying his career. It started with Trump letting him take the lead on AHCA. Then CBO released the report that twentyfour million would lose their health insurance which in a one two punch the White House leaked that it's actually fifty four million. This stupid bill is going down in flames with Ryan attached to and no escape. Fuck you Ryan, you got 4d chessed and it was the easiest move ever.
This.
Except without the 3.14D acrobatic settlers of catan
They won't though.
There are more important issues facing us than healthcare.
If they're willing to sell the nation to globalism for healthcare then fuck them.
If the left ever wins the presidency again it will be civil war. I am dead serious about that.
Democracy is already dead.
Trump doesn't need Ryan. Ryan has backstabbed Trump multiple times throughout the campaign and he should not be trusted. He is a RINO. RyanCare is so far beyond worse than Obamacare.
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Ryan can go fuck off and die.
Yeah, just like with the executive order on immigration, Bannon continues to be completely incompetent at political manipulation. Trump would be better off without him
Nah.
Most don't actually give a shit about ethnic nationalism. exspecially he old people that make up the base. They just want what is best for them regardless of what happens to everyone else.
This is usually a terrible thing, but because they are not willing to die for white supremacists it remains the one hilarious bright spot in all this. They will vote on healthcare. You can count on it.
This.
Trumpcare was always going to be a failure. You didn't actually believe Trump knew what he was doing did you?
Nope can't say that I did.
Just 24million in a decade? Shit yeah that's fine by me, that's like 0.5% of the population