Hello, Sup Forums. I'd like to see your views on the following.
>Does socialism work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? >Does a single payer healthcare system work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? >Is ethnic homogenity connected to higher prosperity? >Is ethnic homogenity something to strive for as a nation state? >Is ethnic homogenity only functioning when the ethnic group of which it is composed consists of white people?
none of it works unless the money has a foundational base -- either labor or gold. But if that's the case, then yes to all questions except the last one.
Logan Mitchell
Socialism does not work full stop The West reached its peak during Free Market Imperialism pre ww1
Anthony Murphy
The first thing you learn in anthropology is how having the ethnocentric point of view is wrong.
You cannot ask questions as stupid as this.
It would work, for a while.
Landon Anderson
Do you have a higher iq and education than a geneticist Nobel prize winner and the founder of DNA?
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
Do you have a higher iq and education than a geneticist Nobel prize winner and the founder of DNA?
Our posterity will never forget him, for not betraying us in our time of dying, we can not forget our heroes or we have no one to look up to.
What the fuck are you even arguing about, you dumb American piece of shit?
Do you even know what the concept ethnocentricism means?
You can't view all other cultures by comparing them to yours. You will not get fully usable information.
I don't disagree with the fact we aren't the same race as niggies. Labradors and St. Bernards are the same species, but not the same race.
I don't need to have a Nobel prize to get common sense.
You should, however, consider common sense as an option. You Americans lack it. All you can do is take credit for someone else's work and claim it yours
>muh world liberation from nazies >muh world peace >muh middle east
Pretty sure that you guys will soon start believing that Independence Day was inspired by a true story.
I hate you cunts with a passion. You're a bunch of stupid, but confident fucks. The worst you can be.
Fuck you, fag
Kayden Martinez
>Do you have a higher iq and education than a geneticist Nobel prize winner and the founder of DNA?
Actually I do. I'm no genius, but I have a higher IQ than his, which is 124.
I also think he's racist.
Logan Watson
He is world famous, discovered dna, has a degree in genetics, got a nobel prize and you are smarter than him? Have you studied more genetics than him? How many nobel prizes do you have?
Hudson Moore
>but I have a higher IQ than his, which is 124. Where did you get his IQ?
Parker Phillips
You have a higher IQ than one of the top scientists in the ENTIRE world? One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
Josiah Davis
Now you're shifting the goalposts. You asked if he had an IQ higher than James Watson's, now you're asking how many Nobel Prizes I have?
tsk tsk. You can find studies that indicate no difference in race, once you account for socio-economic factors, and you'll be hard pressed to find colleagues, including his co-winner, who agree with him, but I digress.
Kayden Cooper
His biography.
Hunter Green
1 - Yes, just look at Best Korea. The leaders are very rich and have absolute power, socialism works perfectl. 2 - Yes. 3 - Exploiting third world cheap niggers is good for economy and bad for society. Homogenity is good for society and bad for economy. 4 no, just look at any Asian nation
Levi Nguyen
Where is the evidence?
Jacob James
no, socialism never works because it punishes the hardworking and innovative whilst rewarding the needy, stupid and lazy
the more you tax those who succeed, the less effort they put in, or they move elsewhere
and there will always be more needs to be taken care of. take healthcare, you could spend an unlimited amount of money on some diseases, and if you cut people off after a certain amount you will be accused of allowing htem to die
people will get used to what they have and see it as an entitlement, then agitate for something else. why doesn't everyone have a computer? wht about a medium range one? why not a top of the range one? I need it for reasons
free housing is ok, but I need a bigger house, now I need a garden, now I need a mansion, now I need a view
every election the peoiple are promised more, for who would vote to have their gibs cut?
yes homogeniety is something needed for a successful society
Noah Kelly
Socialism is for the hardworkers, if it weren't for socialism regardless of your education you would be paid bread and water.
Aaron Myers
aah, no ones work/effort/earnings gets forcibly taken and given to someone who didn't work for it?
Isaiah Torres
Socialism means the good of all > the good of the few, that means all engineers aren't paid 10 cents like in india.
Wyatt Evans
was my question too difficult for you to answer?
Xavier Nguyen
Go to India and preach hatred for socialism while you are paid 40 cents an hour with an advanced degree.
Wyatt Young
is it not a maxim that that which is not rebutted stands?
you agree, good, glad that's settled then, retard
Ian Mitchell
>aah, no ones work/effort/earnings gets forcibly taken and given to someone who didn't work for it? Yes, if you want to live with others and make profit off others/trade with others there's a collective price.
Carson Perez
Fuck any kind of socialism
Including national socialism
Caleb Thomas
fuck you nigger
Brayden Peterson
so you're ideology demands the use of force to make people give up some of what they earn
it's clearly tyrannical then
David Howard
haha, rustles my jimmies >we're going to teach you scientific subject >however, you must abandon the scientific method for the following proposition and never question it >no, honestly guise, it's a proper science done by real scientists
Caleb Long
Norway is an example of succesful social democracy. Sweden as well, until they imported Arabia, suspecting no change.
Yes, you could argue that my country's wealth stems from large oil and natural gas deposits, and you wouldn't be completely wrong. However, I also agree that ethnic homogenity is necessary to keep up the prosperous structures on which our society is built.
People are never going to accept a drop in living standard.
Thomas Foster
this.
Chase Jones
>Yes, you could argue that my country's wealth stems from large oil and natural gas deposits, and you wouldn't be completely wrong.
so it kind of works when you have huge piles of other peoples money?
Adam King
What other peoples money? The oil belongs to Norway, the currency is of the norwegian government, go use your own currency and barter if you do not want muh taxes.
Xavier Peterson
You are a disgrace to our country.
We are 5 years behind Sweden, and are no better. The only reason Norway has any money at all is our hard working westerners and our oil and gas deposits.
We were, and would be without oil, the poorest country in all of Europa.
We are heading in that direction right now due to our 16% foreigners. We have less whites than the US per capita.
We are already accepting a drop in living standard. The hospital queues for ethnic norwegians are increasing, and we are forced to work longer because the state can't afford our pensions that we were promised.
We are not an example of a succesful social democracy. We were 20 years ago. Not anylonger.
Lincoln Price
You benefit off the collective productions and services of the rest of the people tied to the currency that gives it value yet you preach complete individualistic independence.
Christopher Barnes
>Flynn effect You have nothing to compare to besides official foreign stats designed to be as high as possible. Internet age makes a minority intelligent enough to boost the average.
Ian Williams
Wrong you stupid kike, Norway is #1 in human resources and always was the richest in Europe.
If you want complete independence then do not even use the British currency and simply sell your service for individualistic barter, because you have nothing in your control with currency of food, leading you to barter whatever service you provide for basic goods.
Justin Smith
Mostly yes.
Ethnic homogeneity is a must for a social state, because it means organic relation between the members of society. If some have different race/religion/language individuals don't feel like a society/family, therefore it's a burden to them to pay for people they have no connection. In other words, unless you're extremely retarded, you cannot support refugees or immigrants and believe that you're contributing to nation.
Connor Perry
Yes Yes Yes Yes No
Cooper Bell
You are the most ignorant person to ever exist. Norway was among the poorest country in Europa after the viking ages.
We had to go into a union with denmark for 400 years to avoid starvation.
We were poor right up until the 60s when we found oil.
I think you might actually suffer from retardation, go get it checked.
Sebastian Wright
>Socialism Working No. It's certainly more sustainable in an ethnically homogenous nation with high social trust and everyone working, but at that point it's unnecessary anyway. All it does is cause lots of social spending, running up government debt and cause tax increases ad infinitum until you have a situation like we have now
>Single payer healthcare See above
>Ethnic homogenity connected to higher prosperity Depends on the ethnicities involved. For majority white and northeast Asian countries, yes. For all others, no.
>Something to strive for Of course. A nation is more than lines on a fucking map. It's also made up of the people there.
>Only whites As above, Asians sometimes get it right too, although that may be because of their contact with white civilizations.
Oliver Cruz
>Wrong you stupid kike, Norway is #1 in human resources and always was the richest in Europe. This guy.
Leo Myers
>Inefficient compared to capitalism >ditto >yes >yes >who cares
Dylan Scott
ok, I suppose that's fair. I'll substitute with "huge piles of discovered wealth that will one day run out" then
>preach there you go again, you really have a religious view of this then?
so it's ok to force people to work for you as long as you give them something in return
what is wrong with voluntary systems of labor for resources or money?
why do people have to be forced?
Jacob Morris
Norway always was the richest in Europe. I can't stop laughing.
Zachary Barnes
>If you want complete independence then do not even use the British currency and simply sell your service for individualistic barter, because you have nothing in your control with currency of food, leading you to barter whatever service you provide for basic goods. take it or leave it huh?
allow us to bully you out of your labor, let us treat you like a slave, or gtfo, peasant
Kevin Miller
>Does socialism work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? Socialism doesn't work. Social democracy might work though, if it's accompanied by strong free markets (like in scandinavian countries) >does a single payer healthcare system work Yes >Is ethnic homogenity connected to higher prosperity On occasion, it's not the only factor though >Is ethnic homogenity something to strive for If it's done peacefully, yes >muh white people No, you are not special.
Adrian Ross
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Ayden Wood
>Our posterity will never forget him, for not betraying us in our time of dying This resonated with me, user. Even though i am forced to sterilise all europeans, as we are cucked on a genetic level, i will do just that, they will not be forgotten.
Christopher Price
>I use governments collective currency that ties millions of peoples productions and services under one value system >I do not want to pay for this service
Logan Lewis
How about no government, and you do not use any gubbments currency and instead barter your way as nothing is uniting the farm owners to not dominate you.
Ethan Diaz
>no, socialism is not the closest system to natural order regardless of race >No. you need hospitals not single payers and nobody give a fuck what race you are in healthcare >No, only a common belief and herd like ability to cooperate and lead >No, you get aids. Gene aids, and die. See, Brazil most ethnically/genetically diverse thus healthiest in long term. in simple terms, even a nazi can compute, if you are all chickens what the fuck do you do if you get bird flu? >No, white people can't jump, thus society fails.
Evan Clark
>and nobody give a fuck what race you are in healthcare You know how everyone mocks America for being one of the most obese countries on the planet? As is usual, remove black people from the statistics and we're about the same as the average Euro nation.
Jaxson Wood
Dont be too unkind to Americans, everywhere else the globalist diet has spread is getting fat, dont matter it you are white black or green, also the proportion of blacks in the US population would not sway the general averages dramatically far, i.e. still be fat. Also there are a lot of black people in europe so not an argument really.
Levi Scott
>Does socialism work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? No. >Does a single payer healthcare system work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? Yes (poorly). >Is ethnic homogenity connected to higher prosperity? Yes. >Is ethnic homogenity something to strive for as a nation state? Yes. >Is ethnic homogenity only functioning when the ethnic group of which it is composed consists of white people? No.
Brody Powell
>Does socialism work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? It works at some extent but never completely, the problem with full blown socialism is that it dissuades entrepreneurship and so cripple the creation of new markets and so growth on the long term. I think it had the advantage to keep social peace in density populated place and reduce the overall stress of the population.
>Does a single payer healthcare system work in an ethnically homogenous nation state? It's rare to have a full single payer system, most countries use a semi socialized system where patients pay 30% of the bill (or take a private insurance for it) or can opt out totally to private insurance. I think it can work as long as it is well mana
>Is ethnic homogenity connected to higher prosperity? That's arguable, depends of the races involved, if you inject whites or asian in an african country it will be more prosperous, the reverse is not right.
>Is ethnic homogenity something to strive for as a nation state? Ethnic homogeneity reduce tension and distrust in society drastically, so yes.
>Is ethnic homogenity only functioning when the ethnic group of which it is composed consists of white people? No, minority hate each others, having whites or not, just look at the Middle East or Africa.
Joshua Perry
Alright, then. Forgive my wording. What do you propose, then? The political climate of Europe is shifting, and I am unsure as to whether it is good or not. Not necessarily because I disagree with fascism or the national socialist ideology you clearly subscribe to, but because I do not actively seek out conflict.
Yes, it is obvious that Europe is experiencing problems because of immigration, particularly from the Middle East, and this is a scary development.
The peoples of Europe view WWII as the darkest chapter of human history, and the evils of Nationa socialism, regardless of whether they were truly evil or not, will not repeat itself.
I agree with you, in that a large amount of non-western foreigners is something jeg vil ha meg frabedt, but right-wing populist extremism is not the answer.
Ian Murphy
Sweden is a successful country which adopted social democracy and fell.
Dominic Watson
>sweden is successful until it imported non whites tsk tsk tsk
Ian Hughes
We spent the post-war period building proper social democracies, and who is to say it has not worked? How do you measure the success rate of a society anyway? >Productivity? >Happiness levels? >BNP / capita. >Humanitarian Superstate
Either way, Scandinavia has dominated the globe since the early sixties, and a common denominator is social democracies.
Shit went wrong when you imported the fucking desert and all the mud that comes along. Shit went wrong when you adopted progresssivism as your state ideology. Shit went wrong when you abandoned tradition. Shit went wrong when your divorce rates skyrocketed as a result.
Main problem is the fact that you have Arabia in your back garden, though.
Matthew Evans
Yeah, sure, the million program and crashing our currency twice is the spitting image of success.
We were going to shit long before the migs started coming in any significant volumes.
Kayden Bennett
very funny.
Jason Butler
Excuse me, I forgot to include the spics as well. I've literally only seen maybe two mestizos that weren't fatasses. So there you go. Combined with the black people, that's >40% of our population. Remove all of those and we're much healthier
Christopher Allen
>We spent the post-war period building proper social democracies Wrong. >Scandinavia has dominated the globe since the early sixties, In the early 60's. >and a common denominator is social democracies No. >Main problem is the fact that you have Arabia in your back garden, though. That's the biggest problem now, yes, but we've been declining since Palme.
Dominic Miller
Because he promoted abandonment of tradition.
Ayden Brown
Yes, he was a social democrat. Now stop deflecting. We had our record growth in the 50's and 60's, well before anything even resembling a social democracy had been established. It wasn't until the 70's our public sector became bloated enough you could call it a social democracy. And that's when it all started going to shit. Your argument (social democracy leading to success) is blatantly false since the success predates it and the only visible result from it is a sharp decline. You're being dishonest, and when I show you the facts you start deflecting. Go fuck yourself.
Ryder Bell
>will not repeat itself. I disagree. When people get upset they chimpout, maybe they cry about it later on or not but the fact remains that a person who is under great distress, from whatever, is dangerous. Very dangerous.
A multitude of things caused white people to....calm down and suppress their more agressive behaviours. Thats were all the anti-gun, no-violence tolerance (even in movies in yurop) comes from. A big part of it is the aftermath of WW2 but also that people have it good and full bellies. Also the whole feminist garbage to be nice and well adjusted at all times, to not let kids fight their fights etc.
But it´s only suppressed, not gone like often told here on /pol. >Everybody is a pacifist between wars. People dont really know themselves, how they CAN react in times of crisis because their hardest hardships in life is wether to buy the bio-lemons or the normal ones. Only the absolutely most tarded pacifists would just kneel down and get shot in the head while their wife get raped.
The scary thing about this is that they cant control this, let´s call it darkside, because they never touched upon it.... so when they blow they go full autism.
They simply wont care what happened nearly 100 years ago if there´s an imminent danger, but many dont see that.... even today. But shit like mudslimes pushing for shariah and similar doesnt work in their favour and get people upset. If something would change our society, or endanger the personal future of people you´d see action in no time at all.
That´s actually the main reason why they ferry so many migrants to yurop, our retirement system wont survive for long, neither would our whole economy, with such low birth rates. But you cant simply exchange people like you could with cogs in a machinery. And I strongly suspect that our politicians know that too.... that shows how fucked we already are. It´s a desperate measure.
Jordan Miller
Would you not say you live in (pre-sandnigs) the best time in history, in terms of personal wealth and availability of consumer products?
Nathaniel Ramirez
Fake graph >what's Flynn effect?
Jackson Powell
The graph aimed to get your attention, which it did. If you are attempting to convey that reactionism is the answer, back to a time pre-sexual revolution, then yes - I agree.
Connor Gray
>cont. Maybe they hoped that throwing money at them would pacify them enough to be usable in society. Dunno.
But we´re fucked either way. Now even more then before. And it will end in bloodshed. NaSoc or not.
As for what we can actually do? The only thing is to get as many of them (meaning illegals and other "parasites") out of here before we crash, cause they will fuck up our recovery even more.
Anthony Bennett
>If you are attempting to convey that reactionism is the answer, back to a time pre-sexual revolution, then yes - I agree.
Not necessarily. Many people, woman as well as man, dont see that their actions provoke reactions and that stupid/blind actionism has a repercussion. Though it is often woman who indulge in it....
Ayden Cook
>The West reached its peak during Free Market Imperialism pre ww1 When the 2nd leading cause of death was bad diarrhea (dysentery)
Kayden Young
Again with the deflection. Yes, new technology improves shit and crappy countries civilizing leads to a greater availability of goods. Those are exogenous factors. It has absolutely fucking nothing to do with this. Compare 70's Sweden to 2000, of course it's gonna be better. It doesn't change the fact we've seen a steep decline in all aspects relative to other countries since the implementation of social democracy.
Aiden Howard
You of all people should know By Korea is a fascist dictatorship
Justin Walker
> point of view > literally being this dense
Btw, every point of view is ethnoculturaly centered.
Isaiah Myers
Do you live in the real world where everything you're saying is demonstrably false?
Oliver Baker
> Exploiting third world cheap niggers is good for economy At first, then they start organizing and hijacking the system, turn into mafias.
Isaiah Harris
Centrally planned economies only work in a world without resources scarcity
It depends on your definition of "work", they can work yes but the best care will still be provided by private healthcare, it depends on what you value more
No, look at African countries with ethnic homogeneity, the quality of the ethnic makeup matters more, 50% white is much better than 100% black
Yes, among other things of course
No, it also works with other high IQ societies such as Japan