Christianity

All "Deus Vult" memes aside, what does Sup Forums think of christianity? I recently watched some Varg videos about the topic and they made me think. He's somewhat pagan and his main arguments against christianity are:
>it's a foreign desert religion, just like Islam
>heavily influenced by jews
>it has nothing to do with europe
>it persecuted non christian europeans
>it's anti nationalist

I think we all know that the modern church is cucked with their humanitarian (pro refugee, even pro LGBT etc.) behavior but what is about the core of christianity? Is it something we could work with?

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Analogies is one of the lowest reasonning method hans, the church is made of men, and the young generation of priest is way more redpilled than those who currently rule, not to mention the church is currently divided, listen to bishops Robert Sarah, Burke, Schneider, you'll see there is hope

and i forgot christianity is nationalist, all who say otherwise are heretics, amazon.com/Memory-Identity-Conversations-Dawn-Millennium/dp/0847827615 its basically a love letter to nations

>>it has nothing to do with europe
it came from european country which spanned all the way to middle east
stop saying like it emerged from some arab shithole, because it would be islam

Christianity is a theological creation by (((them))) to divide us all. The pagan religions did not suffer from the fractures and splits between groups that religions based upon Judism have.

They are designed to split in to sects over time that create in fighting over interpretation. This is why there are so many groups of Christians, Muslims and Jews that claim to be the true/pure/correct believers.

I have ambivalent thoughts. On the one hand it preserves some conservative values, which is good. On the other hand it's prone to cuckoldry like turning the other cheek.
Christianity was really the best when people didn't read Bible and didn't know what Jesus hippie said. Priests ruled over the masses back then.
However there's no real alternative at the moment. Neopaganism is a joke and modern atheists are too gullible (also mostly co-opted by the left). So I'd say we should stick to christianity at the moment while working on the new ideology that would hopefully replace it in the future such as Mussolini-style version of atheism.

Varg is right. All the Christians i have met in my life have been total liberal cucks. Every single one of them. Its about time we go back to our pagan roots and be proud of our European heritage.

I guess he doesn't realize the failure in his comparisons between Christianity and Paganism. He seems to think that all pagans are redpilled, and that most christians are not. That is false, there are both bluepilled christians and pagans. We are going to experience a demographic winter, and i don't see a problem with uniting with redpilled ethnically white christians.

It's judaism lite that was mostly used to control larger amounts of people with fearmongering in the past, right now it's weak as shit.

I stopped associating myself with religion over a decade ago and I don't regret it. I don't need religion in my life. Sure, I still appear on family meetings during Christmas for example, mostly because of tradition rather than a spiritual need.

But right now we need christianity in full force to get rid of all the shitskins

Was good, saved Europe multiple times, pooled the greatest artists in Europe to create beautiful artwork, and culturally created the "European" identity. Modern American Christianity is shit though

The truest religion is the cult of humanity.

Humanity has a divine right to rule the stars as the superior and dominant species.

All who xenos who stand against us must be annihilated.

xenos that join us can stay.

>Christianity is Judaism
No. Islam has more in common with Judaism than Christianity. Jesus was killed by jewish authorities for being anti-jew

I said judaism lite you dumb fatass

You know Varg is literally Jewish, right?

Christianity is older than Judaism, you pleb.

You cant be redpilled while a mind slave to (((them)))

varg is wrong and right on a lot of subjects.
He did however stab a man what was it, 27? 57? times in the back in "self defense"
People follow him blindly are sheep
People who disregard him blindly are sheep.

Nature is my bible.

Christianity may be retarded, but so is atheism.

>believe in a god
>hate jews
bruh
Also join the Imperial truth beliefs.

Christianity is what Islam should be forced to become.
Completely irrelevant and pacified "feel good" jerkoff.

We did that in Poland, our Tatars don't really practice their religion. But there's only around 40000 of them and we had centuries without "human rights" to achieve that.

Christianity in one sentence:


"And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked."
—Luke 6:34-35


Paganism is 100% better.

Nigga you stupid.

Because not only it comes from (them) it also emascates men and approves wymyns hypergamy and getting cucked.

On the other hand we as europeans had all similar deities with minor variations. Thor on the north,Perunn in east and south, Thunoraz etc.

It wouldnt surprise me that our pagan gods indeed exist and that the differences are just split stories with minor variations.

If we could all stop trying to shit on each other with muh suberior subrace and muh gods trve gods we could eradicate ((their)) filth returning to our gods.

I think the core ideals of Christianity are as cucked as modern Christianity, the only good form of Christianity existed in Europe during the late Middle Ages when it drove them to expand and colonize. It's always been a "feel good" religion where you don't have to do jack shit in life and yet still achieve eternal salvation.

And if we're talking about modern christians, the cancer level just gets multiplied by 100. I'd honestly rather marry a good conservative Muslim girl than some fake American Christian girl who doesn't act like a Christian.

European paganism is just as cucked as Christianity though, maybe even more so because the literally hadswinger orgies

>how to say lies in each of your posts

Nope.
Christianity and Islam both stem from Judaism.

If you're going to claim that Christianity causes hypergamy then you should at least acknowledge how degenerate pagans were. All of their holidays are literally orgies in the woods

>Christianity was created in a smoky back room by a group of Jews to control and ENSLAVE people, man!

Delete yourself

These mental gymnastics that american christian nationalists go through, all to deny the fact that Jesus was a Jew.

You worship a Jewish man.

Judaism in one sentence:

"For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee."
—Deuteronomy 15:6

>All "Deus Vult" memes aside, what does Sup Forums think of christianity?

It's for faggot niggers.

>Jews hate nothing more than Jesus and Christianity
>Jew influence the zionist movement and the Catholic spring but not the actual religion
>nothing to do with Europe? Ha! Only the last 2000 years bringing Europe into its golden ages and out of the sticks and degeneracy of paganism
>Is very nationalist, cucks are cucks weather 'christian' or not
Hes a simpleton who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Purge degeneracy. Deus Vult!

>ethnically white

t. finn

Christianity, and the New Testament specifically, is the training program for Gentiles and good goys everywhere. It's purpose is to train and condition the eventual servants of Jews.

10th crusade when?

JOOOS DIE TOMMOROW! BIG AUSCHWITZ REOPENING

Bullshit. No one has persecuted jews more than christians. It's part of who we are. Burn the Synagogue of Satan!

>The pagan religions didn't suffer from splits..

Eh, if you actually study this stuff, all the pagan religions came from a single pagan religion at the beginning. Even the Jews were pagan at one point, and followed the same gods as the rest of the Semite tribes. The Semite gods were very closely related to the Greek and Roman pantheon. Same thing with the Germanic tribes.

Evangelicals must be gassed
Israel supporters too

it is God's Will

Funny. Wonder why it forbids usury for adherents then.

>Paganism is 100% better.
How

if it was just a question of moral instruction then sure a native religion would be better. his logic only holds up as long as you assume christianity isn't true.

None of those adress the truth of the gospel :^)

You desire to know something of my Religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it: But I do not take your Curiosity amiss, and shall endeavour in a few Words to gratify it. Here is my Creed: I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we can render to him, is doing Good to his other Children. That the Soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its Conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental Principles of all sound Religion, and I regard them as you do, in whatever Sect I meet with them. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity: tho' it is a Question I do not dogmatise upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble. I see no harm however in its being believed, if that Belief has the good Consequence as probably it has, of making his Doctrines more respected and better observed, especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the Believers, in his Government of the World, with any particular Marks of his Displeasure. I shall only add respecting myself, that having experienced the Goodness of that Being, in conducting me prosperously thro' a long Life, I have no doubt of its Continuance in the next, tho' without the smallest Conceit of meriting such Goodness.

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It must be the best aspect of our country's oppression of the church that our catholics are the most virulently traditionalist fringe of our nation, as well as one of the most radically conservative and counterrevolutionary catholic communities in the world, with the highest levels of rejection of Vatican II (the Society of Saint Pius X is French after all).

So while my point of view might be biased, I think christianity is a very good base to build on. I don't think there could be any other anyway - our civilization is christian whether we like it or not, we can't go back to worshipping plants and forest spooks.

Never forget how Jesus kicked the merchants out of the Temple. The Pharisee is our eternal enemy. DEUS VULT

enlightened protestantism is the best religion.

His arguments seem like something an Indian or aboriginal would say.

>watch one of varg's vids
>see angry comments left by american christians
>click on their channel
>subscriptions to israel promotion channels and messianic judaism channels
>every single time

Do american christians have no self-awareness?

>and culturally created the "European" identity
what? no, the renaissance was that created the European identity because we became very less obsessed with muh holy sand and more obsessed with Rome and antique Greece.

Do you have any idea how Anti-semitic Islam is? There are literal passages where Allah calls Jewish people "Swines & Apes" and according to hadiths during the doomsday even the nature will attack against Jews

Tell me this isn't white.

More germanic than most of europe.

I want to like Christianity, I really do. But nothing can be refuted in Varg's video. The religion accomplished great things in the past (and horrors.) I don't know if whites should embrace it again.

you're welcome

WE WUZ GERMANS

>killed by jewish authorities for being anti-jew

lol. Islam is much closer to Christianity than Judaism, any biblical historian would tell you that.

>doesn't know the difference between modern day Jews and the ones in the bible

There is a reason why Christianity broke apart from Judaism, as it was believed the messiah had returned (along with other fulfilled prophecies).

Once Christianity became- Christianity, Judaism would continue into what we currently have. One has contribute more towards culture and national identity whilst the other leeches off and has consistently been hostile towards the other because it is "anti-semitic."

I believe that the Jews who are nice to some Christians are nice,solely because some liberal-leaning denominations help Jewish people via assistance (sending them back the Israel with free funds, etc.).

Tfw south europe has 35% of i1b genes

I1 haplogroup is nordic

Tfw we wuz vikangz

Jews and niggers will all die, just be patient!

If anything I'm more interested in converting to Islam. Why not? Pick the traditionalist of the two desert religions. But guess what? They don't want whitie in their circles. Islam is already crushing Christianity. They are both internationalist systems but Islam still values race, the Arabs lord over all the other "dogs" (converts.)

This.
There's a difference between being tolerant of non-christians living near your lands and :
>Letting them live on your lands without them acknowledging your culture and rules
>Acknowledging their rights as equals
>Giving them positions of power in a country for which they don't give a shit
Ethnoreligious States are what's best.
Yes, I support Israel, but not their aggressive expansion. They don't even have the people needed to properly colonize these lands anyways.
I hate globalists and/or communists Jews. This shit is autistic and needs to stop.
This, also.
As long as our interests align, brother.
>tfw the Kingdom of Man isn't the Kingdom of God, and people don't seem to understand that God just wants us to live peacefully and in harmony with our fellow men until the day we die, nothing more, nothing less.

Nice try "whites"

Anyone who believes this is an idiot

Just don't

If it's so bad, why do Jews hate it so much?

Anything Jews hate is good with me.

>be european
>not a pagan

son I am dissappointment

Not sure how you are interpreting that, but why do others imply that the scripture is referring to enemies who are trying to murder you? No where in the bible does it say to allow your enemies to conquer/kill you and be pacifist about the whole situation. That scripture would be referring to enemies that you have in a civilized society. Being nice to people whom you loathe isn't always bad.

Why fight when it isn't necessary? If you need to borrow something, and let's say you are my enemy, what do I get out of the situation by being an asshole?

Americans like to convert people, whether it be to Christianity, democracy, or Liberalism, depending on the person. I find it disgusting.

Yes but the pope and some other christians don't know or pretend to not know this difference.
Not saying that modern atheists are any better, though.

People in the Renaissance were still very religious.

The vast majority of art produced during the Renaissance was something like 80% religiously themed.

People just started seeing christianity as something able to change with the times, though no less important than it was before

Religion neegs to go.
If you want a moral system of value craft one based on logic and evidence rather than on ancient madmans scriptures

>People in the Renaissance were still very religious.
Yeah the peasantry perhaps because they didn't know better but the upper class weren't religious at all.
Piousness and wealth are like water and oil.

Just look at the amount of philosophers that despised christianity that were invited to royal courts all over Europe.

>Who say they are jews, but are not
Nice reading comprehension there, Pablo

Foreigners opinions on Finns are irrelevant.
No-one wants to be Germanic.

Pagan is alright if youre into that. All their gods die though. I think of it as a metaphor for the death of the tribe itself. Probably why whites are interested in it these days. Christianity offers a way past that

Yeah those american christian zionists really incur the wrath of jews.
They pretty much help out jews and israelis whenever they want. They believe in serving them.

Louis Therox's doc showed as much. vimeo.com/102569427

Just admit that american christians are completely duped.

Have you any idea how dangerous it is to fuck with the khanate Ahmed? Our arrows are sharp and we fire them with legendary skill from horseback.
Our horses are swift and tireless. Your shitty muslim country couldn't last a second under the yellow tide.

Christian Europe created art. Pagan Europe created art.
Christian Africa didn't create art. Pagan Africa didn't create art.

Christianity is not the reason Europe prospered and created art, Europe being european is the reason.

Asians have tiny dicks and are a weak race.

>All "Deus Vult" memes aside, what does Sup Forums think of christianity?

Its traditional culture around here, and thats that.
I don't value it beyond its cultural value in cuisine, celebration, architecture and so on.
I certainly don't think its should be used to explain what things are, wher ethey come from, how they work, how or why we should act and govern ourselves, and so on.

This is how fucked up Pagan europe.was:
The most explicit recorded incidents of public sex involving humans and animals activity are associated with the murderous sadism, torture and rape of the Roman games and circus, in which it is estimated that several hundreds of thousands died. Masters reports: "Beasts were specially trained to copulate with women: if the girls or women were unwilling then the animal would attempt rape. A surprising range of creatures was used for such purposes - bulls, giraffes, leopards, cheetahs, wild boar, zebras, stallions, jackasses, huge dogs, apes, etc. The beasts were taught how to copulate with a human being [whether male or female] either via the vagina or via the anus." Representations of scenes from the sexual lives of the gods, such as Pasiphaë and the Bull, were highly popular, often causing extreme suffering, injury or death. On occasion, the more ferocious beasts were permitted to kill and (if desired) devour their victims afterwards.

Chimpanzees and mandrills, both in fact ferocious and very powerful species of primate: "made drunk by wine and inflamed by the odor of females of their kind, were loosed upon girls whose genitals had been drenched with the urine of female chimps and mandrills." The victims were often virgins and not infrequently young children. One spectacle is said to have included "a hundred tiny blonde girls being raped simultaneously by a horde of baboons."

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Movie?

I think they shouldn't have stopped, no muslims no cry

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Christ is king you fucking heathen.

Boccu Picco

>"a hundred tiny blonde girls being raped simultaneously by a horde of baboons."

Well well. germany is still pagan after all.

If you deny christianity then you deny one of the basic fundaments of Western civilization.

I can go stand in dogshit and the pope himself will come and clean it off my feet and thank me before he goes and fucks a prepubescent little boy.

Many such cases!

"Oh you magical sandnigger in space"

Kys faggot

>All "Deus Vult" memes aside, what does Sup Forums think of christianity?

Ultimately too ingrained in Western society to remove completely, but not valuable as an ideology, endorses pacifism and ultimately a lack of attachment to your blood and kin.

The Pagan ways of the peoples of Europe are ultimately the only religions I can truly ''feel'' for. Christianity is just an unfortunate historical implication.

At the same time I feel that the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are far more preferable than the Protestant/Reformed babblery.

That's just Detroit

Did you know Odin gained strength through drinking the semen of virile warriors? So when are you gonna start going to the nearest army base and start blowing guys for Odin?

>no-one wants to be germanic

What would you want to be, anything else is shitskin. Jesus i don't understand the retardation of finns who think that being asian is good. Whites have given the world everything, why the fuck wouldn't we want be white? Why the fuck do you want to be a shitskin, i don't understand.

That was written by David F (((Greenberg))) in 1998.
There is no truth behind it.

>the Arabs lord over all the other "dogs" (converts.)

Yes, it is the reason for the Hajj. Muhammad wanted to maintain influence over his conquered peoples and promote an Arab-centric religion. Same with turning to Mecca each time to pray. It's a mind fuck: "always remember that Arabs are your master, dog".

Useful political capital, can be used to mobilize otherwise hostile factions in our benefit. Perfectly willing to make some concessions regarding my classical liberalism and secularism in return for the defeat of Islam and Postmodernism.

>inb4 medmuds spam ancient stone buildings