SNP using divide and conquer techniques on Sup Forums

The SNP are dividing the British and Anglos by fighting for more independence.

Scottish nationalism is a good thing, as is English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Irish nationalism. But the purpose of the Union is that we realise we are stronger together in a Union of countries to form a sovereign British state.

With this concept, we spread the ideas of the enlightenment and liberalism around the world as well as our language.

It is why this board is in English and why America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa (to some extent) exist in their current capacities.

It is why Europe is the way it is with our defeat (with the Russian help) of Napoleonic France, Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany (some may dislike this).

It is why free trade is often practised and why London and NY are the capitals of global trade.

It is why modern science is in English and predominantly the result of Anglo thought (with the help of a handful of Germans, French, Dutch and Swedish).

It is why slavery was abolished and why the common law (the greatest legal system in history) exists.

The Anglosphere is the pinnacle civilised thought (although on the rapid decline since WWII). And it is the child of Brits, Irish and Anglos.

There is a lot of hate between the English and Scots because of this new referendum. We need to fight against this division by saying we want to stay united because it is for the better as our forebears knew.

We need to curb SNP power and destroy this meme for independence. We have a duty to stop the doublethink that the SNP preaches that leaving the Union is a good thing while re-joining the EU as a vassal state of Brussels is a good thing.

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>these things in the past were good for all of us

The union doesn't work for Scotland any more and it's time people realised that

Except scotland isn't self sufficient being as their oil is worth jack shit.

would you rather the Euro and Sturgeon as you PM?

Wow really? No country is self sufficient

I think you're misrepresenting the outcome of a yes vote
We wouldn't have to join the Eurozone in joining the EU and I don't think it's likely she'll be in power after we leave the UK

Why do you want to be vassal state of Brussels?

are you not excited for Brexit?

Brussels has far less sovereignty over Scotland than London does which makes it an obvious choice
I'm not excited for Brexit, I want Scotland to be in the European single market and have a trade deal with the rUK rather than stay in the union and get no say in the Brexit terms

>It is why modern science is in English
duh what is greek and latin

scots are a bunch of xenophilic commie fucktards eternally butthurt over thatcher.

Too late!
We already here!

We don't mind immigrants because we hardly get any and when we do they assimilate
>commie
Buzzword
Anyone left of you is not automatically a communist
We're butthurt over Thatcher for good reason although the current Tory government are giving her a run for her money

I don't think the majority of English people are "fucktards" despite not agreeing with a lot them politically, you're a fud though

lol, i'm a scot too. just making an observation.

Your family were never affected by the closure of the mines etc then?
Also do you not think Scotland and England/Wales are too different politically?

Celtic nationalism is about independence and pride in culture, English nationalism is about imperialism and cultural/racial superiority, there's a reason our Nationalism is tolerated and even promoted while English nationalism is vehemently opposed, even English patriotism is much more extreme than Scottish nationalism.

>It is why modern science is in English and predominantly the result of Anglo thought (with the help of a handful of Germans, French, Dutch and Swedish).
Spot the Brit.

Why will no one refute any of my points lol

British science and inventions is pretty much just Scottish science and inventions that Anglos wanted to get credited for.

They do seem to credit good things we do as British and bad things as Scottish

what is the ideal scotland?

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Not dividing anyone. In fact its uniting us in our desire to see those northern cuckold traitors eradicated.

I support my the scots to leave the Union. I understand as a welsh man that the only reason my country is not 3rd world and actually has a legacy is because of the anglo.

Plus Scots need the English to pay for all there socialist policies and I want to watch it crash and burn like Venezuela.

>Northern Irish and Irish nationalism.
uh huh

Independent from the UK, trading with Europe. England is more afraid of Scotland leaving than Scotland is afraid of being independent, the EU has 600 millions citizens, the UK has 60 million citizens, I know who I'd rather be trading with.

The EU is on its death bed.

a cynical opinion

I don't (and I hope others too) don't deny scottish thought but that's absurd. many discoveries get touted as British because that was the platform (British empire) that existed.

Scotland has benefited from the Union, particularly after losing your money in panama. As has england, the scots and french have been our eternal enemy

Enjoy being a Cuck to anglos, your ancestors must be real proud of you. England needs Scotland more than we need them, they rely on us for their military and the EU is a much bigger market.

>Northern Irish and Irish nationalism

How can things that exist to destroy each other both be good? Northern Ireland is an abomination.

I'd prefer you refuted the points I've made before diving into anything else
That's a big question for me to answer but I'll give it a shot, for me it would be:
-out of UK
-in European Economic Area but not EU
Focus on renewable energy (oil is fucked and we're at the forefront of renewable technology already)
Any other specific aspects just ask

England needs fuck all from Scotland, do I need to give you a history lesson on why your shit hole of a country was integrate with England you failed state.

is ur name ross btw?

yeah but you don't trade lots with the EU. the consitancy of being the same sovereign state as england, wales and NI is financially beneficial for the flow of labour, goods, services, etc as there are minimal legal, transportation, financial differences

and the UK has much more clout in global trade than just scotland

the EU is the smallest of your trading groups compared to the UK and the rest of the world

Anglos: 400 million individuals, 45 elements
Swedes: 10 million individuals, 20 elements
Way to prove your point. Either way, element discovery is a pretty shit metric of your contribution to science. In terms of contributions to modern science, Brits can hardly compare to Germans, which should be clear by opening the first page of any physics book. It's even more embarrassing that you're trying to leech on the accomplishments of the US, whose scientific accomplishments are hardly restricted to people of British ancestry. If you look at American Nobel laureates you will find a lot of German names, as well as a lot of Asian names on the recent years. It would be more prudent to say that modern Science is the result of German thought, with a little help from Anglos and a few others, but I would be comfortable in calling it a collaborative effort between mainly European nations and the US.

Who builds your military equipment you mong
and if we left the UK then that would obviously change

That doesn't set the Welsh in a good light does it? Why do you hate yourselves so much?

Our policies may have to be curtailed to some extent in the event of independence but no remnant of them will survive Brexit and a lot of people don't want to take that risk

No why, do I sound like someone you know?

ok i'll give it a go

union does work - gives more international clout to both countries and allows for easy flow of goods, services and people

brussels has total power is super- national. it's failing too why join?

i don't love thatcher and agree she fucked this country but then so have most govts since WW1

i don't think this is true i just thing most things from 1707-now are considered just british

yeah oil is fucked, should've been part-nationalised like norway. the uk needs energy sufficient - more nuclear, green, coal and gas

Brave man. I'm glad patriots like you are coming out of the woodwork now. I've been saying it for years. The union no longer serves Scotlands interests. We're off. You go ahead and serve yourselves anglo, because we're doing the same.

Who subsides-es your free healthcare, free university, not paying for pharmaceuticals you stupid pikeys. I hope you delusional cunts leave so you can stop being a fucking parasite. Enjoy Sweden 2.0 commies

yeh man also-most every SNP keyboard warrior i know. I voted yes but never told anyone as I did not want to be associated with ur typical SNP slacktavist.

It was one guy in particular. im sure ur an ok guy, just that comment is exactly the sort of thing some guy i used to know/still have on fb posts when he argues with ppl and they ignore him.

>if you are Ross but wanna stay user, please stop man its realy embarrassing

Taigs out

On the points you disagree with
-the union works in certain ways but these are for me outweighed by the ways in which it fails Scotland e.g. getting governments we don't vote for (and unelected PMs for that matter).
We have an option which would allow us to get the government we want every time

-Brussels does not have total power, it is also what we're used to rather than the disaster and uncertainty a hard Brexit will mean for us

Agree with the rest

There are more of us here than people realise

That's fair lol I can assure you I'm not who you're thinking of

This.

All the good and innovation to come from the 'British' empire were ALL Scottish inventions: Repeating Steam Engine, Thermodynamics, Maxwell's Laws (enabled all modern communication technology), Modern Literature, The Historical Novel, Military Power, Shipbuilding, Colonial Governance, Armed Forces Governance, and so much more. Even fucking refrigeration, the tv, the phone, antibiotics, the fucking ROAD, the rubber wheel. You name it, Scotland did it. And England took the credit.

England betrayed Scotland with Thatcher and made that fatal mistake forever. We're not going to stop until we're free.

I'd take up arms to flush you out of Scotland.

Fuck the lot of you and drown in your brexit paki shithole you cunts. And get the fuck out of Scotland you utter scum fuckheads.

Scottish patriot here - on holiday.

Oh right, we're too poor, wee and stupid to govern ourselves aren't we, I haven't heard that before

Ya fucking wet wipe

That seems to have shut them up.

I will be voting to stay though. My fathers family are English and my mothers Scottish. I doubt much, if anything at all will change. The referendum is just an excuse to waste money and Nicola Sturgeon ought to find a hobby instead of pretending to run a country. We are not amused.

A lot will change, for one we won't have to get bummed for decades by governments we don't vote for. The referendum will be money well spent if it means we don't have to endure decades long dismantling of our public services

Sturgeon has done more for the people of Scotland than those in London ever will and those who look at what she has actually achieved realise this

>implying we'd let you Scots keep using the pound
You'd have no choice but to adopt the Euro and fully dilate your anus for proper EU entrance.

Implying fuck all actually, it's already widely accepted we wouldn't be able to keep the pound
There are options other than joining the Euro that are more attractive such as a scottish pound pegged to sterling or even free floating

Why would Scots want to be subjects of the despicable House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, i.e. the fake "House of Windsor"?

The Scots should be free of these vile parasites, the royal family of leeches.

To be fair they do generate a lot of income through tourism but I agree overall

I'm more frustrated with the total affront to democracy that is the unelected House of Lords and I think everyone on each side of the Brexit and Independence debates can agree with that

Why does the union not work for scotland right now in your opinion?

What makes you think she's doing this for the Scottish people and not for herself? If you honestly think that a politician cares for anything but their own needs you're going to be sadly mistaken.

If you'd read through my previous posts you'd have seen why

Scotland rarely gets the government it votes for

If we go independent we can get the government we vote for every time

Because as head of the SNP she has a good domestic policy track record. I don't care if she is only in it for herself, the result of her being in power are that Scotland is a better place despite the scottish government's budget being consistently cut

>If we go independent we can get the government we vote for every time

Until cracks appear and cliques form new parties that want to take the country one way or the other. It's a bit too optimistic of you to think it's going to be so rosey desu

The country will then vote for one of it's new parties and will get whatever it votes for... or am I missing something

But the government Scotland voted for last general is a high tax socialist party. how do you expect to survive out of the union and keep a solid public sector?

You get the government you vote for now, what's the problem?

You're assuming the SNP would stay in power after a post-independence election which I don't think would be the case

No we don't, we never vote for the Conservatives

The look on Sturgeon really sells that image.

You can tell this is her perfect image of Scotland.

It's not a myth that Scotland receives more in funding than it should given its contribution in taxes, even though SNP supporters like to believe it is. So what will happen in an independent Scotland that will boost your economy so considerably that this becomes a non issue? It doesn't matter which party is in charge, that's seems like an impossible job.

Good example of assimilation, asians in Scotland integrate well unlike in the rest of the UK because there aren't that many of them

I do agree with you to an extent, her ideas about the number of immigrants/refugees we should take are a bad idea. It's the fact there are only small minority groups in Scotland that makes it easy for them to assimilate

Contrary to popular belief Scotland has ~8.4% of the population of the UK but generates around 9.4% of the UK's revenues in tax so I think it's fair what we receive

Source newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/scotland-12288-union-public

Just realised that article is old, bear with me

If the SNP was anti immigrant I would have no problem with it but its not so fuck those muslim lovers.

We have the same problem in Canada with Quebec -evil Anglo stop oppressing us let us be free to be raped by immigrants.

I'm confident they will split after independence, there's seemingly growing disagreement within the party on the immigration issue

Going to bed now lol I'm up at half 8

Thats a risky play. Either it pays off or Scotland will be gone in 50 years. Right now Westminster might ignore you but at least youre still like 96% white. Think long and hard brother.