Continuing discussion from last thread if the lad didn't see it there
Jeremiah Sanchez
>I more imagine it as Can you explain that a little more, it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, it was a bit vague.
Camden Butler
Aye. Reminder this country only has one(besides the race war) hope: get off its welfare addiction. As soon as we kill the NHS and social services and plough that money back into law enforcement the shitskins, mongoloids and mudshits will disappear as quickly as they got here.
It's like when you have the flu and your body drops it's temperature to slow the tide, let you fight back, but it makes you weaker.
If you wrap up in your blankie you just make things worse. Cutting off the conditions for degeneracy is the only way to save us from degenerates (of all races, some Whites are scum these days too)
Leo Walker
I disagree that we should put loads in to law enforcement. We should instead lower regulations on citizen firearm ownership so the person can become their own first line of defence. This would help to drastically cut the amount needed to fund the police.
We need to get ourselves of bennies because bennies is nothing but slavery with a smile.
Christopher Moore
>mfw remoaners say we didn't know about the uncertainty of leaving the EU >It was the main propaganda piece used to scare people into remaining during the referendum
Just watched Dawkins on a newsnight re-run play the same fucking tune just now. Makes me want to vomit.
Ryder Diaz
The real questions normies will ask are:
Is it "free" at the point of entry? Is it universal, so all people are insured?
If an insurance system could provide better outcomes to the NHS it would still be rejected by people because "muh NHS".. Even UKIP, the only party that considered seriously reforming the NHS has now turned into one of the many "parties of the NHS". UKIP is bending the knee like all the others.
Grayson Garcia
we will have to endure a civil war, and soylent green them. you think they are all going to say so long and thanks for all the gibs and pay for a boat back to mudshitshan?
Christian Jones
Let's say after doing some maths, government works out it spends about £500 quid per person per year on the NHS. So instead of spending that, it gives out £500 worth of vouchers to each citizen.
You now have your vouchers, and go to some comparison website that someone will inevitably set up or you go and compare them yourself. They'll have different coverage, different excesses, etc. And you pick the one that's right for you. If you're poor, you'll be picking one that's under £500 (and I imagine a lot of insurers will be placing their basic coverage at that level) and if you're rich enough, you can even spend some of your own money there too along with your health vouchers if you want more comprehensive coverage.
Now you've given your chosen insurance company all of your vouchers, and you're now insured. The insurance company gets yours vouchers and then gives them to the government. The government then gives the insurance company £500 per month. The insurance company will now collect all that money and act like a normal insurance company who pays out when shit happens.
Hopefully that made more sense but early morning posts tend to be rather nonsensical.
Jaxon Thompson
Smart people have all types of guns already. Stand your ground laws + militarised police
Pretty much. The main problem with food stamps is the black market and the patronisation of poor people. With the NHS, people don't care about being patronised, and I don't see a large black market problem since health insurance is a lot more abstract than physical food that you can resell.
Adrian Sanchez
correct. conscription for native males, plus all taxpaying men must own a rifle. lots of gypseys and other subhumans removed from reality.
women banned from entering medicine expect as nurses also. they fuck everything up. could write a book on how retarded the decisions I have seen female doctors, particularly neurologists and psychiatrists made the most retarded decisions because they didn't like a patent. I don't like pakis and gibs but being a professional i don't choose to let them die because of my prejudices.
Asher Garcia
Made far more sense, I had trouble understanding your other one because it's so late and I'm a bit thick at this hour.
This is not a half bad idea actually. Even though it's still a level of gib it's progress in the right direction and could save the Gov a shit ton of money annually to spend on other shit like Nigerian Take That.
Not bad mate, I'm gonna spend a lot of time mulling this shit over. I'd expect that income caps would be in place for it, so people earning in the range of X-Y would get a voucher of half standard value and people earning over Y wouldn't receive a voucher at all.
My only major grip at the minute with this plan though is that it doesn't provide much incentive for people to stop being lazy dole dossers. Well, I guess the providers would hold the customer legally liable to actually pay and would take them to court if they had a health care issue that wasn't covered by the basic coverage the Gov provided in a voucher.
Yes, but we need to be able to walk around carrying in public. What's the point having an arsenal if the moment you need it you're in a train station getting attacked by the village terrorist? We also shouldn't have militarised police, it will affect British people more than it affects nigs and nogs. We should simply be allowed to blast cunts that get a bit jihadi.
Jack Gonzalez
Conscription would be bad. It's ruin the country as it would cost far too much to maintain so many active service members and the required equipment, the expense simply would not make since in peace time. Sure, it'd be good for the individual but not for the country.
Wyatt Morris
>it'd* >sense* Excuse my typing.
Nicholas Myers
>conscription for native Just look at Brit/pol/
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE (((NATIVES)))
Oliver Robinson
i mean like a year. know how to shoot a rifle p much
Daniel Brown
>could save the Gov a shit ton of money annually to spend on other shit like Nigerian Take That. I mean, ideally, it's "spent" on a tax cut but we all know governments.
>I'd expect that income caps would be in place for it Means testing is an option, but it's difficult. An employer could bump your wage and make you poorer by reducing your health voucher amount, and you can't really have a "tax-free allowance" version of this since your employer isn't paying your health insurance for you. The better option to make this "fairer" is just a progressive tax. Personally I'm not a fan of means testing on the whole as it just creates a bigger government.
>it doesn't provide much incentive for people to stop being lazy dole dossers You only get health vouchers if you're employed. Or you get more if you're employed. Maybe there's a way to do it.
Healthcare is one of those things where generally unemployed people need more of it, so you can't really use it as an incentive. If you make sure the unemployed are healthy (mentally and physically), why wouldn't they want a job to buy things and experiences they'll enjoy? As for NEET pakis wanting heroin, you can be damn sure that won't be under any private companies coverage, since they'll need to fork out and that'll be coming from the CEOs paycheck.
Josiah Lee
>had problem with my prostate where I cant piss >on really long walk with dog >woods in middle of nowhere >dog loves it theres a little stream and everything >trickling of the water makes me want to pee >haven't pissed in two days at this point >run into trees to piss >unsheath the salami >theres a fucking palm size spider on a bedsheet size web on the tree in front of me >jump back away from it >walk into the field bit where there are no trees and no spiders on them >try piss >get most of it out >it stops >shaking my knob aggressively now to try to get the flow to restart >look up >there's a field trip of 30-40 schoolchildren all staring at me and the teacher is looking panicked, on her phone >leg it out of there almost strangling my dog in the process Atleast, that's what I told the magistrate. EHY, EHY?! YOU CAN HAVE THAT ONE LADS!
Alexander Flores
Ok but why? Who does this new plan help? It doesn't save the gov money. Or people money because they still need to pay same amount into the government because costs have not changed.
Why add a middle man who extracts profit for no reason?
Michael Sanchez
>Why add a middle man who extracts profit for no reason? This is the least American thing I've ever heard.
Leo Gutierrez
How do you explain the difference in feeling between between male ejaculations? Most girls seem to think each one is equally satisfying and pleasurable, but this just isn't the case.
Eli Flores
MacDonald's for a two minute shuffle, and a rare steak and wine on a summer night if done right.
Logan Jenkins
>It doesn't save the gov money It's essentially a system that pits multiple NHSes against one another in a battle to win every individual's money. They'll all be innovating and trying their best to be efficient as possible in order to get the most profit.
Compare that to the current NHS where people just scream that it needs more money. The current system is like the system I described, except with a monopoly. It doesn't take a genius to see how competition makes anything better.
Jacob Smith
There are roughly 750,000 births a year so we can assume that there's nearly the same number of people turning 16/17/18 each year. Can you imagine the massive amount of money needed to train and maintain 750,000 new troops each year. We have an armed force of less than a third that size and we can barely afford to keep that shit going as it is. Also, people should just be joining the TA for that. Get paid a little to spend your weekends fucking around in the militia and learning to fight, not bad at all. It's such a shame that the Gov doesn't promote it more.
>As for NEET pakis wanting heroin This was my major concern, we all know how much of the paki population don't intend on ever working, which mean that we'd lose out every year on excess payouts.
>You only get health vouchers if you're employed. Or you get more if you're employed. Maybe there's a way to do it. You'd have to give vouchers to the unemployed, can't just let anime NEETs die off. Public would be in uproar over that shit.
>Personally I'm not a fan of means testing on the whole as it just creates a bigger government. You have to have a little of it though otherwise the system is gamed easily. I'd opt for a light testing whereby there's three stages of income, low stage gives you full voucher, middle gives you half, top gives you none.
It's a way of allowing private companies to pay for their own medical equipment and supplies but offers the more poor people in society some help with getting medical care. With the Gov not having to spend money on equipment and medicine it's drastically lower the amount of budget allocated to medical care which would be nice.
Ian King
>low stage gives you full voucher, middle gives you half, top gives you none. The problem with this is let's say you get a bonus this year for doing a great job, and as it happens, that bonus moved you from low to middle. You get a nice bonus of £100, but you've lost way more than that in health vouchers. It creates a perverse incentive towards productivity and earning a higher wage.
This is why, when you're taxed, your first £10 000 is tax-free whether you're minimum wage or a billionaire. It's so if you get a raise, you can't ever be poorer. The problem is, how do you do something like that in tax, with the health vouchers? I can't see a way to do it, unless you tie health insurance to employment like in the States, which I think we all want to avoid.
Tyler Scott
Ok you just explained how the insurance companies are going to make money. By finding cheaper ways to provide care. But that doesn't make the money spent on vouchers cheaper. Because the profit comes from the difference between the voucher value and the value of care.
If your population keeps getting larger and older the average voucher price will increase as always. So NHS will still need more money.
where do the benefits for the people or the government come from?
Jacob Baker
>By finding cheaper ways to provide care. But that doesn't make the money spent on vouchers cheaper. So there's either higher quality of care, or more people getting treated. For the same price. That's the benefit.
Andrew Long
Maybe I don't understand your system? But doesn't everyone already receive treatment? And how do you think care quality will improve for the average citizen? better care costs more not less. If companies are offering cheaper plans with less coverage how is care quality improving?
Also I'm still confused about the voucher system?
>poor people will choose plans that cost less than 5oo $. >government still pays full 500$ to insurance companies
This doesn't make any sense. Unless you mean that somehow poor people are getting laid to purchase cheaper health care? Who is paying?
Anthony Gomez
We can ignore bonuses under a certain amount, so that £100 bonus for Christmas won't have any effect on your healthcare eligibility. Though if you get a bonus of X or above then it will affect your eligibility some, at least for that period anyway.
This way the only real issue would be genuine wage raises, but in that you could put a buffer zone.
>shitty pic related >blue is middle tier voucer >red is no voucher (you earn too much)
If your income lies inside the blue range but aboce the first green line and you get a pay rise in to the red range but below the second green line your entitlement isn't affected. If you earn in the blue but less than the first green line and you get a raise in to the red but before the second green line you still get your entitlement adjusted. You gets me?
>Maybe I don't understand your system? But doesn't everyone already receive treatment? We pay on average 41k in our life toward the NHS, but the NHS is going down in flames right now and the quality of care is a dead art. Right now we spend X per year from our Gov budget on the NHS - buying medicine, equipment, staff and so on. An alternaitve system, like the voucher one we're spitballing now, would relieve the government (this the taxpayer) of the budren of having to pay for all that shit. Companies would have to pay for it themselves. Then, instead of the poor having to pay for their treatment they would get vouchers from the government. This would mean that the government no longer has to buy meds, equipment, staff and buildings and would no longer have to foot the bill for about half the population. This allows Gov to put saved money in to other things and allow medical care quiality to operate indepnedently of any bad shit going on at the moment. Hope that made sense. Sorry for bad spelling.
Evan Long
>picture
Jonathan Peterson
Yeah, you don't understand it, seems I explained it poorly.
>But doesn't everyone already receive treatment? Yes. When I say more people being treated, it's pretty much saying that things that wouldn't be treated before, would get treated. So I guess quality of care increases either way.
>And how do you think care quality will improve for the average citizen? Competition for the money means each health service will need to find cheaper drugs and operations that are of higher quality so they can lower policy costs and still profit. Competition is what lowers prices and increases quality. Look anywhere in history and you'll see this.
>Also I'm still confused about the voucher system? Insurance companies probably wouldn't offer plans below the voucher amount anyway, because who wouldn't want to spend all of their vouchers on the only thing they can spend them on?
And even if they did, they could only redeem the vouchers they receive. If you paid an insurance company £350 of vouchers for insurance, they could only redeem £350 of cash from the government.
Ryder Wright
>Competition for the money means each health service will need to find cheaper drugs and operations that are of higher quality so they can lower policy costs and still profit. Competition is what lowers prices and increases quality. Look anywhere in history and you'll see this To add on to this for clarity. We previously talked about a regulation of profit margins (not an unfair one) that would stop malicious price hiking like you see in the US where the insurers pay your doctors to charge people arbitrarily large amounts in order to maximise capital.
Alexander Bell
We will rule all of the west after it collapses
London will be turned into a sheet of glass
Sebastian Rivera
Why would you need glass? I thought your eyelids acted as a protective barrier over your eyes all on their own?
Brayden Evans
>Public would be in uproar over that shit. Violent suppression
Hudson Ross
Why are there always non-native loons on brit/pol now? Has the Russian wack job been replaced with the Israeli one?
There are still problems. If moved to where you're just ahead of the buffer, say, to the point where your health voucher decrease and raise increase cancel out, you have no real increase in your income+voucher combined, whilst presumably you got a raise because you have additional work responsibilities. You could of course make the buffer bigger than that, but where does it stop? See how the perverse incentive is there? In my example, it would have been a better decision to just not work hard and still take home the same income+voucher combination. Raising the buffer past that will mean that people's take-homes increase but not to the extent of what the employer is now paying them to do, if you catch my drift.
Granted these situations would be rare, but they shouldn't happen at all in a well-designed system. Considering that everyone will want healthcare, the rich will be using their healthcare vouchers too, and presumably more on better, more comprehensive care. Just make them pay more in tax using a progressive scheme that doesn't have a perverse incentive problem rather than not giving them vouchers. Rich people are were going to pay for healthcare anyway, so taking their money forcefully and giving back a voucher doesn't create a problem in this circumstance.
Adrian Moore
Define native. Brit/pol/ is filled with British born shitskins and immigrants
Xavier Bennett
The Russian wack job is the Israeli one and they were both actually a Scottish paedophile.
Asher Bennett
if scotland and northern ireland leave should england and wales adopt a federal system
Carter Nguyen
>you have no real increase in your income+voucher combined, whilst presumably you got a raise because you have additional work responsibilities That's going to exist in every similar system though, it happens in our income tax system too, there's a point at which you get bumped up a bracket and if your raise puts you in a certain range it mains you lose out in real terms. I just think it's an unavoidable consequence of such a system, but atleast with a buffer in place it'd mean the most poor people don't get buttblasted if they get a pay-rise.
I think I've hit the point of docility now, things are getting hard to comprehend so I'm going to head to bed. Bretty decent conversation this, it's quite remarkable how well autists can spitball ideas in a night when we're all tired. Gonna archive these last two threads and re-read them tomorrow when I'm more lucid.
Goodnight lads.
John Bailey
Requesting that pic of the girl dressed up as Brittania
Tyler Rogers
>Nicola, what do you want to be when you grow up? >William Wallace
Isaac Rivera
> if your raise puts you in a certain range it mains you lose out in real terms. You don't. Read up on progressive tax policies. No matter what you actually earn, everybody's first £10 000 is taxed the same, everybody's second £20 000 is taxed the same, etc. There is no possible way to be down in this kind of system. If you earn into a new bracket, only the amount past that bracket gets the new tax rate. If you are £1 into the new tax paying bracket, only that £1 gets taxed. It means zero people get butt-blasted with a payrise.
I'm also heading to bed though. I'm glad we could have a decent conversation here, it's a shame brit/pol/ isn't normally like this. Night lad.
Zachary Jackson
So why wasn't Article 50 triggered yet? It's pretty obvious at this point Theresa May wanted an eternal ping pong between the houses of parliament or an amended bill. That would be the perfect excuse for her to botch everything up. Well, everything went smoothly and she now has absolute power to start the process yet we haven't heard of her since the EU summit.
Is she hiding scared in No. 10 basement?
Gabriel Allen
Maybe she's waiting for the results of the Dutch elections.
Christopher Anderson
LOW ENRGY! That's why Farage is not a Prime Minister
MODS!!!! IT'S TIME TO BAN IT
Easton Williams
>Farage, welfare, civic methods It has to come to a point where we shit on the (((humanist))) concepts of equality for all and actually forcibly remove these people.
That's the big issue, the big problem. That shit has been so ingrained into society and law for decades that unending it is going to require a truly, truly serious, figuratively world-ending event. Europe WILL NEVER be saved in its current state, it is near impossible. There has to be massive chaos on a grand scale allowing for new management to take control before we can ever hope for something to occur.
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Jose Green
>Causes for optimism: none – given the complexity of Brexit and the suicidally short timescale, the default outcome was always going to be a plane crash, unless heroic measures were taken to prevent it and the Brexit team hit the ground running. The measures haven't been taken and, far from hitting the ground running, the team is demonstrating the tactical skill of a demented slug, with the same sense of direction and speed.
>Reasons for pessimism: as above. In the absence of any ideas of its own, the politico-media nexus has relied on a London-based "think-tank" movement that has lost the "think" and is in the process of tanking, only then to be misdirected by a self-referential academia that is so imbued with its own brilliance that it has lost the plot. Between them all, they haven't a clue how to manage Brexit which means, when "Team Brexit" finally goes to Brussels, it will experience the negotiating equivalent of the first day of the Somme, leaving them to stagger out wondering what hit them.
Sebastian White
The issues regarding 'Brexit' are a distraction - they are there to draw interest and ire away from the fundamental problem of our continued nationhood for at least the next decade.
Ryder Gonzalez
Thanks for the papers lad.
Matthew Fisher
A hate """"crime"""" is legally defined as ‘any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice towards someone based on a personal characteristic’.
‘Evidence of… hostility is not required for an incident or crime to be recorded as a hate crime or hate incident... perception of the victim, or any other person, is the defining factor… the victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not directly challenge this perception.’
This is a genuine legal definition of a crime, under which you may be charged and imprisoned.
Chase Hall
Utterly infuriating isn't it. At least there was some poetry in the fact that Amber Rudd fell victim to it for making a speech about foreign workers. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38597714
Cooper Morris
>A hate """"crime"""" is legally defined as ‘any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice towards someone based on a personal characteristic’. 1984
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Nolan Morris
>Just looks like a guy in a bowler hat >"Beware of Jews sign" Whatcha doin there Rabbi?
Bentley Wright
Just sat and watched through an hour and half worth of bodybuilding videos. Am I turning gay?
Aaron Garcia
This should be spread far and wide. Deeply troubling!
Brayden Allen
Most likely
Isaac Roberts
Good morning neet scum
Eli Carter
>FUNNY ISNT IT
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Mason Sullivan
Will it happen today?
Jonathan Fisher
Good morning my fellow Britbongs
Christopher Cooper
Looking like towards the end of March now.
Jason Morris
Rumour had it you got abducted by 2 Pakis during your run last night and they 'Rimmed' you.
Ethan Turner
We need civilisation to collapse asap so the brown people stop coming.
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Jackson Green
No I'm fine didn't get kidnapped by Abdul and Mohammed. Need to start running in the early morning, only slept 3 hours because legs feel full of blood and swollen so cant sleep
Matthew Kelly
I currently sitting here swollen and full of blood, if you know what I mean ;)
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Ethan Campbell
Which one of you did this
Wyatt Stewart
>want to hold second referedum purely based on the fact that Scotland voted to remain in the EU while England didn't >Big part of this referendum centres on the notion that Scotland will seek to immediately rejoin the EU/not leave at all if it gains independence >EU officials say that Scotland will have to apply like any other independent country >"i-i-i-it's ok guys, we never wanted EU membership anyway, what we really want is EFTA membership hehe. We can have another referendum on joining the EU a few years down the lines..."
Also, reminder that Nicola Sturgeon unironically said this in the wake of Donald Trump being elected but has consistently shown contempt for the verdict of the Scottish people in wanting to remain part of the UK
Jayden Williams
Tell me Scotland won't leave
I'm a proud Scot decedent and a Crown loyalist there is not one single Right wing Republican in existence and it shows why when you take a look at the Republicans. Together us and the English conquered the world and (((they))) only want to disunite us then flood my ancestral homeland with third world trash.
A large amount of modern day Scots in Scotland seem cucked but among them are the true Scots
Wyatt Ramirez
Yorkshire!
Chase Watson
>proud Scot decedent >Crown loyalist Pick one. EII is a kike diversity shill
Christopher Bell
Mercia!
Jack Jenkins
The monarchy barely ever says anything on immigration and she was pro brexit
Scots founded two of our capital cities and were several of our prime ministers most notably the one who turned us from Convict Dumping ground to a Free mans colony Scots served expertly during the Crimean war the Boer and in ww1 and ww2.
Together the British Empire. You see that not the English Empire not the Scottish Empire. THE BRITISH EMPIRE conquered the world assuming center stage in all international political affairs. They have a parliament of their own and have already tried to vote out and it failed.
Only Kikes and international (((elements))) want them to leave. Fuck off Israel your Belgium tier not real
Thomas Torres
Remember to vote YES in Indyref 2.
Brayden Moore
>Marine Le Pen says she has been snubbed by Theresa May because her 'judgement is not very good'
