Was Bernie really so wrong about the income inequality issue?
He was an idiot and had many stupid ideas across various issues, and I'd say he was wrong about the solution, but was he wrong about the problem?
Looking at almost a hundred years ago, Huey Long and Father Coughlin were saying the same kinds of stuff here, though they still believed in the free market and were against communism, they just wanted the plutocrats to pay their fair share, and those two are regarded as fascists and nazis.
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He really was Reddit incarnate, huh
says the kike puppet backed by goldman sachs, who leeched off the money of his donors who drives a red sports car commie
(((You))) have no right to someone else's property, I don't care how morally justified you feel.
Nope.
Income inequality, pro-choice and global warming are about the only thing I agree with on the left.
Luckily I'm in a pretty good union job so I get yearly raises to match inflation and the company STILL makes billions in PROFIT every year but most aren't and should be.
Can this Bernie meme be stopped? He isn't going to do dhit and he wasn't goi g to either. Stop wasting everyone's time
He is a hypocrite now thanks to Trump's tax documents.
What if the property was unjustly acquired? Why is private property justified in the first place?
Stopping them from having millions upon millions in the bank they could never humanly spend doesn't take away the things they already own, or really even hurt their ability to buy more at all.
Yeah, it's no secret kikes are robbing us blind. Electing a kike to "fix" that would be the absolute height of stupidity.
Bernie is wrong about income inequality because he is pandering to his base. I don't care if my neighbor makes 1000x what I make as long as I have means to my end. Alternatively, it is not the wealth of other people which contributes to the shortage of NECESSARY goods and services. For example, the rich person isn't driving up the price of healthcare and food because they do not consume at a vastly different rate.
Bernie's base was mostly young, recent college grads and dindus. Both of them are impressionable to a fault and believe that socialism would make them better off than how they are now, because that is the prevailing message in their respective communities.
This discussion has been done to death on Sup Forums. My opinion on the matter is it's only going to lead to more corruption and more problems.
Big government would be given the power to tax the rich at a higher rate and decide what they want to do with the money. Politicians, who are people too in case you didn't know, will corrupt the system.
We're already doing something similar with Social Security and look how that's turned out.
If I work for something, it should be mine, not dipshit fingering his butthole over there that did nothing. Mine. Fuck off and die
The issue is the government isn't good at regulation of income in general. How are they going to spend all the money they get from taxes?
too bad he didn't give a fuck about the millions of illegals flooding into America robbing everyone of their birth right.
He was not wrong and I believe he will run in 2020
To add, this whole discussion is a farce. Let's break it down into its simplest form: How much of their hard-earned money should each person give the government?
Income tax should be abolished. There is no need for a large, federal government, and there is definitely no need to give them our tax money directly when we do not have direct representation by design.
The biggest problem with America is that we fucked the middle class with globalism after convincing their children to all take loans out for college degrees, and before that we took away the merit based immigration and allowed illegal immigration which fucked over the lower class and raised crime, and finally we murdered health education because fat, carb addicted citizens make shitloads of money in the short term but absolutely destroy health care costs long term.
Problem with Bernie is that the answer is never socialism. The answer is Trump. Pull back in globalism, fix immigration, and promote a culture shift.
Yeah, I'm by no means a Bernie supporter, I just feel like he brought up a legitimate issue with his statements.
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I dunno, on our ridiculous debt, on our crumbling infrastructure, on bringing our stolen jobs back to our country.
94%? Jesus christ, I mean it was probably during WWII... but still
What about mechanisation?
If I own 10 machines that produce money for me while I do nothing, does that mean that I deserve all of that money?
Perhaps if I bought them myself you can find some way to justify that.
Now what if I inherited 10 machines that make money, and every time they make money I can just buy more, until I own 10^6 machines that just exponentially keep increasing my wealth, relieving just as many people of their jobs and making them unable to provide for themselves.
Do you think that is the ideal model for an economy?
Did you know that Adam Smith, probably the most important philosopher on the free market economy, also advocated redistribution of wealth in a system with advanced mechanisation?
whats this assholes endgame?
if he honestly believed in the 99 percent meme then he wouldnt have shilled hillary last year just to beat le ebil drumpf
It was only money over a certain amount, not your income overall, it was an incremental tax and if you reinvested your money into your business to buy capital or improve wages.
How do you define unjustly acquired?
What if I don't trust that politicians who are in the top 5% (many of whom are not taxed) are going to spend my money or anyones money in a way that benefits taxpayers? Let's not forget that Bernie was no not different in his love for Israel and the money we hand than trump is.
>the answer to capitalism is more capitalism, stopping globalist ceos with globalist ceos in the government
hey guess what, its the same thing that fucking imbecile we have as a president now said. wouldnt you know it, he is making the rich richer and the poor poorer
>I dunno, on our ridiculous debt, on our crumbling infrastructure, on bringing our stolen jobs back to our country.
Of course. They're doing such a good job of spending wisely with their already multi-trillion dollar budget every year.
Throwing more money at a problem isn't going to fix it if the monkeys spending it will be the same.
>in a system with advanced mechanisation
Yes.. If we live in a world where we can just sit on our asses and let robots fo everything for us, then we can talk.
But that's not the world as it is today, and probably never will be.
You make no mention of the ever increasing automation of all the jobs that are done nowadays. Even with zero immigration you are still going to have the great majority unemployed due to machines doing all the work
Then we throw out the politicians and install competent ones, isn't that what "Drain the swamp" is about?
In our current system, maybe letting a small fraction of our people horde the majority of the wealth is the better solution, but that's because those few wealthy have bought the government to make this situation benefit them.
Income inequality is not a bad thing in and of itself, so long as the overall quality of life for all classes is going up, which is exactly what has been happening in civilized, mixed-market countries. Socialists can get fucked, they had their chance and they failed miserably.
That is besides the point, it doesn't matter how much money they have or how they intend to use it you have no right to their private property, and those who attempt to seize it should be killed
YES. Are you a fucking 12 year old? The money someone else earned IS NOT YOURS. Its NOT YOURS its literally that simple. You don't deserve other peoples goods.
they said the same thing about going to the moon, not only was that done but people across the whole world can now not only communicate with one another instantly they can play games and shitpost with one another all day. We have literally done the impossibles of yesterday so don't dismiss the 'impossibles' of today.
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>y-you can't take more money from the Billionaires! I might be one of those someday!
Still yours because the person who bought them (the one you inherited them from) gets to choose what to do with his belongings. If they choose to give them to you then that is their decision because it was their thing
If Bernie had his way he would have government control over every aspect of our lives
I'll remind you of that when fukucorp uses eminent domain to 'buyout' your house and sweep youonto the street.
>be maddow
>in bathroom
>shaving cream on cheeks
>shaving peach fuzz from face
>HopeItGrowsBackThicker.jpeg
>hetero cis white male secretary bursts into bathroom
>”Sir! It’s here! Come quick!”
>you splash some water on your cheeks to wash the residual shaving cream from your face and look yourself in the mirror
>”the itsy bitsy donny went up the water spout,” you sing to yourself, “down came the rain and LEAKED THE TAXES OUT!”
>you and your hetero cis white male secretary cannot stop laughing
>it’s almost as funny as a tiny trump
>but far more powerful
>surely it will lead to trump’s impeachment
>you put on your vanity bulge codpiece and pantsuit
>you enter the studio triumphantly and take your seat behind your desk
>the camera turns on
>”to my fellow self-identifying marginalized americans. we got ‘em!”
>”let’s all have a look at pic related shall we?”
>but wait, something’s wrong
>instead of a big fat zero there’s actually a sizeable number
>no worries because it’s actually the rate that matters
>you run some quick numbers in your head and realize the rate is actually quite significant too
>you swallow hard
>your voice creaks, “as you can see…”
>hetero cis white male secretary bursts into the studio and hands you a piece of paper
>with white house stationary and all it reads: Congratulations on your big scoop Ms. Maddow. We think you’ll make a great addition to the trump public relations team!
>and it’s signed The Little Dutch Boy
>LiterallyShaking.jpeg
>”no, no, no! take down pic related! this was a set-up! He’s a con man! This is another one of his cons! Where are you HILLLLAAAAAARRRRRYYYY!”
>MSNBC goes to “technical difficulties” screen
>if you agree with one thing Bernie said that means you have to agree with every other statement he made
>Wealth redistribution at the threat of coercion is okay because I said so
That's really easy to say, but it's just not feasible. The public is already very concerned with corrupt politicians, and we have been for years, but nothing has changed.
Wishful thinking is not going to do you any good or serve as a valid argument.
I've got news for you son, the money you have is NOT yours, money is the sole property of the treasuries/central banks that print and value them. YOU do not set your money's value its is LOANED to you you stupid cuck
>but it's just not feasible
Bernie is wrong about everything.
> Was Bernie really so wrong about the income inequality issue?
If you buy their shit then they make money.
They have options now and America doesn't because you spent the last half a century doing drugs and adding to your debt from all of the problems the imposed 60s culture created.
Free (STEM) education = Good
Free (VERY BASIC) healthcare = Good
That is all.
The only ones who'll get taxed are middle class people, because it's always them. They don't have the means to defend and they'll have to pay, while corporations can use lawyers and tax breaks to get away unscathed. Yeah, fuck Bernie (((SANDERS))).
>Chad warden
Fuck me I feel like I just took a time machine 10 years back. Thanks m8
>ps treeple
>in the bank
But they don't.
That's the fucking point you retard, they invest that money back into the industry where it makes them multiple times the amount of interests they'd get in a bank account.
Yes
>muh 1%=pushing equality of outcome=cornerstone of marxism
Check your fucking cow-owning serf privilege
It's a simplified model to explain my point.
There are many fields of industry in which the expenses don't match the profits by far and the profits don't trickle down to a large amount of workers but instead stay with a few people.
I respect the idea of giving people economic freedom, but I'd rather see many people have this freedom than just a few.
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This is a very interesting page that discusses the problem. I'm not posting this ironically or to waste your time, it's really an interesting read.
Provide a cohesive argument to substantiate how your claim is feasible, then. I refuted your argument on how we can replace corrupt politicians by voting them out by using historical evidence: the American people are aware of the issue and doing nothing about it.
You also have not substantiated, as well, under the aforementioned conditions, how redistribution of wealth to fix our debt, infrastructure, and bring back stolen jobs is going to work.
gotta keep paying respects to Chad daddy.
I refuted your argument by using historical evidence as well, but I guess you're not familiar with history.
People don't act because they are convinced nothing can be done. We need a force to mobilize on the common knowledge and take action. Even just a single person with the right idea can be the cornerstone of this movement.
For the most part, Boinie is absolutely right in his diagnoses. His solutions are 180 degrees of the right direction though. Sure there are excesses in capitalism and tons of people get screwed, and sure big corporations and lobbyists have a huge influence in government. But his solution is to give a corrupt government more power...which makes absolutely no fucking sense
>If I work for something, it should be mine,
This entire viewpoint is founded on the flawed insistence that your work is the ONLY thing that contributed to that something.
You can have the portion that comes directly from your labor, but for everything else you owe society back.
>I refuted your argument
Not quite. You did not refute the fact that redistribution of wealth does not work with the corruption we have. A fascist regime taking power over Italy has nothing to do with our topic other than overlaps in complacency. Redistribution of wealth and what happened in Italy are two completely different issues.
If you want to have an argument about how we fix corruption, please tell my how you would systematically fix the issue. You need the power of every voter to fix it. And saying in your posts does not mean its practical.
You are essentially arguing in that post that because the ideal solution would be difficult, it is not the ideal solution.
Taxing the 1% or the rich is just code for taxing the middle class into oblivion . Same with anything commies do . Lenin against the top 1% of Russia , kills millions of regular Russian
Idealism is not an argument. Actual solutions that will happen in the real world are.
Unless anyone has any ideas on how to fix corruption realistically, I am hopping out of this conversation.
>Unless anyone has any ideas on how to fix corruption realistically,
Shoot the corrupt.
Its only an unrealistic solution if you keep seeing it that way.
Why not tax the rich at 100%?
Why not everyone?
Idealism is electing people expecting them to fix the problems and trying to come up with a peaceful solution to bring the power back, like you want to do.
The real solution is to get rid of the corrupt.
Nice ad absurdum, idiot
>and his blatant inability to fact-check stories from Breitbart showed.
What is the prato distribution
Pay your fair share of fucking taxes, Bernie. Come back after you've practiced what you preach.
PS; Nice beach-house!
Just like how Trump should live in the sticks and make 20k a year before he can preach about struggles of rural America?